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EVGA enforce queue-based ordering method for Nvidia RTX 30 Series

4 minutes ago, WillOfTheLand said:

https://techarim.com/news/2020/10/06/evga-enforce-queue-based-ordering-method-for-nvidia-rtx-30-series/

 

I think it was a week ago I mentioned this and got told it can't be done, even though it is for other things.

 

Seems common sense won out in the end.

Why wouldn't this be able to be done? I don't get that from people sometimes this is super common for a lot of things to be done this way.

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That's not a bad idea I guess.

But what stops someone from opening hundreds of accounts and entering the queue? 

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The majority of people last week in your thread told you this can and is done with many stores.

Personally I just mentioned it wasn't a dream solution for most stores since they are less aware of the stock of product out there, since there are middle-men inbetween from their perspective (Nvidia, AIB and vendors to be precise).

A store like EVGA is different compared to that story I told last week.

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We have made some changes to the checkout process for EVGA.com 30 Series orders. Now we are using a queue based notification system.
 
To sign up, use the notification button on the product you would like to be notified for. For everyone who already used the notify button previously, you are already entered. Once product is available (and it is your turn to purchase), you will receive a secure email that will allow you to purchase the product that you received a notification for. Please note that you have 8 hours to place your order, if your order is not complete within 8 hours, the product will be released back into queue system.
 
Also note that your email address that was used for the notify system MUST MATCH an email that has a registered EVGA account, if an account is not available with that email, you will need to create one before you can purchase.
 
Also note that this system will be available for US store first and evaluating for other regions.

source: https://forums.evga.com/New-EVGAcom-Notification-Checkout-Process-m3108092.aspx

 

I've seen a lot of people getting orders in this way so it seems to be successful. I hope most of the orders placed this way are to real people.

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probably works pretty well against the scalper bots because they don't wanna verify hundreds of EVGA emails to bulk order

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2 minutes ago, spartaman64 said:

source: https://forums.evga.com/New-EVGAcom-Notification-Checkout-Process-m3108092.aspx

 

I've seen a lot of people getting orders in this way so it seems to be successful. I hope most of the orders placed this way are to real people.

Does it take in consideration time zones? Just imagine if you got the notification a few minutes after you went to bed. Some people do get 8 hours of sleep as crazy as that sounds. 

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Just now, BlueChinchillaEatingDorito said:

Does it take in consideration time zones? Just imagine if you got the notification a few minutes after you went to bed. Some people do get 8 hours of sleep as crazy as that sounds. 

its US only for now so they will probably tailor it to the US time zone and if you have nightshift or something just hope it doesnt go right as you go to bed i guess lol

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4 minutes ago, spartaman64 said:

its US only for now so they will probably tailor it to the US time zone and if you have nightshift or something just hope it doesnt go right as you go to bed i guess lol

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This is fantastic they are actually trying to do something about bots already loved EVGA now I am definitely buying my card from them

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2 hours ago, Senzelian said:

That's not a bad idea I guess.

But what stops someone from opening hundreds of accounts and entering the queue? 

Simple cross-referencing, same address? Same credit card? Void all but 1 order.

 

 

2 hours ago, minibois said:

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I have no idea how to quote a message from another thread so I'm just going to use a screenshot. Nowhere in my post did I say a retailer, or even name of a chain.  
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They even used my suggested method.

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I won't bother screenshotting/ "quoting" anybody else since you're the only one who seems to have cared enough to reply, but no you weren't the only one shooting down what I said. Just the most vocal.

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32 minutes ago, Fasauceome said:

probably works pretty well against the scalper bots because they don't wanna verify hundreds of EVGA emails to bulk order

Well you see that's where you are wrong. If people can make easy money online there is really nothing to stop them. Study credit fraud and how it works. It's extremely easy and also insane how people skirt around security measures

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I am a big fan of this! I'm not sure if I'll get an EVGA card (it's between that and the FE for me) but I have auto notify on, that way I have a good option!

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Cool feature, too bad their 3080's are super fugly IMO

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This is awesome of EVGA to do something, it should stop most of the scalper bots. I'll definitely consider an EVGA card, I have heard their customer service is better than most AIB's as well.

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2 minutes ago, Blademaster91 said:

This is awesome of EVGA to do something, it should stop most of the scalper bots. I'll definitely consider an EVGA card, I have heard their customer service is better than most AIB's as well.

The quality of EVGA's RMA refurb units can be suspect at times, but I've never had a single problem with their CS and getting stuff replaced if needed.

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4 minutes ago, WillOfTheLand said:

I won't bother screenshotting/ "quoting" anybody else since you're the only one who seems to have cared enough to reply, but no you weren't the only one shooting down what I said. Just the most vocal.

I didn't shoot down your idea entirely and never said it was a bad idea (it's a decent idea actually when properly implemented), I simply provided an insight as why to not all stores are doing this (which is what your question was, in that thread):

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On 9/29/2020 at 3:13 PM, minibois said:

Because of the uncertainty in how many videocards they will get.

[...]

1. Let's say people have to pay to get a 'spot' in line, it probably goes against all consumer rights laws in the world to not allow them to cancel this pre-order. Even if that is not against laws, it's very consumer unfriendly.

Anyways, the issue with this comes down to taxes. Not sure about the situation everywhere, but where I live (and I think this is at least the case in the entire EU), sales tax is applied by the store on a product and then given to the government by said store (oversimplification, but you get the point).

So a store has to pay the sales tax over an order, while the customer can choose to cancel said order at any time. That's an administrative mess.

Having orders without them being paid brings you to the same issue as just listing cards as you get them; bots and such will just fill up all queue spots.

 

2. Keeping track over hundreds or thousands of outstanding orders is - without complicated systems - incredibly complicated and requires a lot of manhours.

It's 'easier' to just list cards online as you receive them. At least in the short term.

 

This is a situation stores partially don't want to be in.

The part where any card they list will get sold? Amazing.

The part where getting cards is impossible and all customers hound you about delivery times, their position in queue, etc.? Nightmare.

Of course I mentioned if a store doesn't have a complicated system in place already

6 minutes ago, WillOfTheLand said:

Nowhere in my post did I say a retailer, or even name of a chain.  

I mentioned that, because in my previous post I had a point about how most stores buy from vendors and thus have less of a clear sight on the production process (and wouldn't necessarily know how many cards they can expect):

On 9/29/2020 at 3:13 PM, minibois said:

Many stores aren't vendors, meaning they don't purchase from Nvidia/MSI/ASUS/etc. directly, but from a middle-man. This makes it increasingly difficult to know how many videocards you - as a store - will receive.

EVGA obviously is in a different positions and has a much clearer view on the production process.

 

And of course I think a pre-order system could be better than the anarachy going on right now, but it's just not the dream solution as I said previously:

On 9/29/2020 at 11:50 PM, minibois said:

We all know max quantity per address stuff just does not work.

I mean, yes there are stores that provide this; but it's not the perfect dream solutions, as we can see by the fact that many stores can't give pre-orders anymore (because their backorder system is already filled with too many people/bots).

 

Don't see this post as "attack" towards you or "doubling down" on my previous post.

My posts in your previous threads were meant to be informative and constructive feedback towards the questions you asked (Why stores aren't doing it, not If they should do it)

The situation going on is anything but perfect, but unfortunately there are some issues with a pre-order system that won't make it the be-all and end-all solution to the situation.

(plus, for many stores implementing a proper pre-order system for ultimately a very very small selection of their products which suffers from high demand/low supply issue is going to be too expensive).

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I queued up for the XC3 black 3080 this morning, now I'm going to just chill and wait. The fruitless struggle to find a 3080 these last couple weeks has totally drained me.

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38 minutes ago, FeIIex said:

Cool feature, too bad their 3080's are super fugly IMO

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idk this is the only part you see anyways and it doesnt look too bad imo. the light are a bit obnoxious but you can turn that off

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@spartaman64, your thread has been merged with one posted earlier. Neither really follow guidelines for Tech News, nor this really is news.

 

Moved to Graphics Cards.

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12 hours ago, WillOfTheLand said:

https://techarim.com/news/2020/10/06/evga-enforce-queue-based-ordering-method-for-nvidia-rtx-30-series/

 

I think it was a week ago I mentioned this and got told it can't be done, even though it is for other things.

 

Seems common sense won out in the end.

 

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Would of been nice to do this at launch, most people on the forums would have a card already. 
I lucked out online scoring 3 cards, 2 for friends and 1 for me but feel bad for all the people still trying to get a card ordered

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4 hours ago, LogicalDrm said:

@spartaman64, your thread has been merged with one posted earlier. Neither really follow guidelines for Tech News, nor this really is news.

 

Moved to Graphics Cards.

Yeah I just wanted people to see it lol

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4 hours ago, Ankerson said:

 

YUP, that's how I got my 3080 FTW3 Ultra, will be here this week. 😎

How long was your wait for the card after signing up for the queue?

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