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AMD Ryzen 5000-series “Vermeer Zen 3" CPU Benchmarks Leaked (Update 2)

11 hours ago, Bombastinator said:

People have gotten the 10900k to 5.3ghz, but a more common all core OC for i9 intel is more like 4.7 or less.

4.7GHz is an underclock on the 10900K, considering it boosts to 4.8GHz (or was it 4.9?) on all cores out of the box.

 

Those alleged benchmark numbers look rather odd to me. I'll admit that I'm not familiar with how AOTS leverages CPU power, but if it was that multithread heavy, the difference between the 10900K and 3800X looks too small.

As per usual, wait for actual reviews. Or better yet, wait for an actual official reveal first, since that hasn't even happened yet.

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13 hours ago, yaboistar said:

what's that sound? intel filing for bankruptcy?

No its the sound of more CPU cores running folding at home! *cough* Folding month *cough* 

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3 minutes ago, leadeater said:

also seem to remember early on at release there were some boards that were like 1.5v, that got fixed though.

I got this mobo and cpu back in 2017...

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5 minutes ago, Mateyyy said:

As per usual, wait for actual reviews. Or better yet, wait for an actual official reveal first, since that hasn't even happened yet.

For sure, it's only a week away.

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6 minutes ago, jagdtigger said:

I got this mobo and cpu back in 2017...

Those things were fixed in BIOS/AGESA updates, I know there was a whole thing on it and a news topic here posted about the issue. Was a bunch of fear-mongering about boards potentially killing CPUs because of really high vcore voltages and AMD ended up making a statement about that it was actually normal and also measurement error from tools trying to read vcore peaking a single core to max boost so you'd see the highest vcore possible with those tools. That's where all the "only use Ryzen Master" advice came from originally.

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13 hours ago, dizmo said:

 

Hahaha. You're hilarious. AMD has a long, long way to go before they're even CLOSE to Intel.

Interesting. I mean, I know it's only one benchmark and it's nowhere near indicative of overall performance, but everyone was shouting lately how AMD was taking the gaming crown. If this extrapolates across more titles, it still doesn't look to be true, especially since the 10600k nips at the heels of the 10700k in most titles.

If AMD takes the gaming crown without OC then they still win. The vast majority of PC users do not actually overclock their CPU. Not to mention we have no clue about memory type or if their OC behavior has improved or not.

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1 hour ago, Mateyyy said:

4.7GHz is an underclock on the 10900K, considering it boosts to 4.8GHz (or was it 4.9?) on all cores out of the box.

How to look it up. You're right on both clocks, 4.8 is the "normal" all core boost, and 4.9 is the "Thermal Velocity boost" if temps are low enough.

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1 hour ago, Mateyyy said:

4.7GHz is an underclock on the 10900K, considering it boosts to 4.8GHz (or was it 4.9?) on all cores out of the box.

 

4.9 at 250w

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1 minute ago, schwellmo92 said:

4.9 at 250w

I was reading 5ghz 300w+ .....

 

Energy use meh, that heat though!

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11 hours ago, Nerdom said:

My only question is what happened to 4

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For that reason it is often omitted, though I'm not sure a company using AM4 would care about that. Seeing how it clears up the APU gen difference it makes sense though.

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15 hours ago, Bombastinator said:

I don’t think cooler type will help.  There appears to be a heat transfer bottleneck below the IHS.  More cooler won’t do much.  The issue seems to be that there’s only so much silicon surface area to transfer heat through.

I am sure that they will figure it out

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4 hours ago, leadeater said:

I also seem to remember early on at release there were some boards that were like 1.5v, that got fixed though. I personally really like the way AMD does boost clocks and voltage control, does make it much harder to talk about boost clocks and all core clocks because the actual clocks are always changing under load and are different based on the workload.

 

I haven't owned one yet but I am very much planning on purchasing a Zen3 CPU, can't wait 🎉

Would be cool if you could shut down cores using Ryzen Master and only run best cores ensuring it would clock them the highest for gaming. Or if they can do automatic CPU logic this way to also work better in games. Because when exposing so many cores, games often hook on them and that puts burden on other cores so they can't clock as high, but doesn't really benefit the game a much as it would have fewer available cores that run faster.

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1 hour ago, RejZoR said:

Would be cool if you could shut down cores using Ryzen Master and only run best cores ensuring it would clock them the highest for gaming. Or if they can do automatic CPU logic this way to also work better in games. Because when exposing so many cores, games often hook on them and that puts burden on other cores so they can't clock as high, but doesn't really benefit the game a much as it would have fewer available cores that run faster.

 

You can get really good performance from CCD/CCX overclocking.  I was messing around with 4Ghz on the slower cores and 4.4-4.5Ghz+ on the faster ones and saw a massive increase.  I hear it could be dangerous so I don't run that 24/7.

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5 hours ago, Mateyyy said:

4.7GHz is an underclock on the 10900K, considering it boosts to 4.8GHz (or was it 4.9?) on all cores out of the box.

 

Those alleged benchmark numbers look rather odd to me. I'll admit that I'm not familiar with how AOTS leverages CPU power, but if it was that multithread heavy, the difference between the 10900K and 3800X looks too small.

As per usual, wait for actual reviews. Or better yet, wait for an actual official reveal first, since that hasn't even happened yet.

The 10900k does not compromise all of i9.  It does seem misleadingly worded though.   My understanding is while i9 parts can stilll be gotten the 10900k itself is ungettable.  My error may I have been conflating i9 specifically with other chips that use the same die as i9 but are not i9 such as the 10700k.

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Ooh that's looking very good indeed. Can't wait to see how various core-count models get clocked and what all core can be achieved too.

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2 hours ago, jake1010 said:

I am sure that they will figure it out

There appear to be research attempts to do just that.  Something or other out of Switzerland iirc.

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6 hours ago, RejZoR said:

Or if they can do automatic CPU logic this way to also work better in games. Because when exposing so many cores, games often hook on them and that puts burden on other cores so they can't clock as high, but doesn't really benefit the game a much as it would have fewer available cores that run faster.

Intel had Turbo 3.0 that theoretically did this where you could lock programs to the fastest core to ensure the best performance. Issue being that it was 100% manual on the user end, only worked on a single core and was just generally a boondoggle that required a PC restart any time you added a new piece of software to the list. The fact that this isn't integrated into every major OS at this point is pretty sad. 

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Chinese character always makes me feel unusually illiterate.  Plus it’s a pic so I can’t even run stuff through Google translate 

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55 minutes ago, Bombastinator said:

Chinese character always makes me feel unusually illiterate.  Plus it’s a pic so I can’t even run stuff through Google translate 

https://translate.yandex.com/ocr

 

The Russian magic of translating images :D It scans the image and allows you to translate words that are image, not text. It's super cool tool.

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18 minutes ago, schwellmo92 said:

Mockup vs 3900X

Correct me if I'm wrong but 10% increase in multi-threading doesn't sound that big?

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8 minutes ago, Fatih19 said:

Correct me if I'm wrong but 10% increase in multi-threading doesn't sound that big?

13.6% isn't heaps but it also isn't bad. It's possible clocks/boost/etc aren't final in the leak, we also don't know what RAM the benchmark was ran with. The 3900X already performed very well in multi-core workloads, the single-core is more important IMO.

 

For reference a 10980XE gets 10,200 and that has 18 cores vs 12 cores.

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On 9/29/2020 at 6:48 PM, StDragon said:

AMD should just go with Intel's format and call their flag-ship the r9-10900k. Just to eff with people 🤣

What they apparently really really should have done is call their 3400g what it really was in the first place which was a 2400g this made the 4xxxg chips really 3xxxG chips.  A 4800h/u is really a voltage dropped 3700x with a Vega gpu attached.

 

The number change is apparently a way to erase old marketing sins because they can’t turn back time to do it right in the first place.  More evidence that marketing departments in general is suspect and need to be treated like weasels.  

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8 hours ago, Bombastinator said:

A 4800h/u is really a voltage dropped 3700x with a Vega gpu attached.

Not true at all, the 4800U/H are both monolithic designs vs chiplet, with much less cache.

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