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RTX 3090 is only % better than RTX 3080 in a 14 game average at Ultra settings

RTX 3090 is only % better than RTX 3080 in a 14 game average at Ultra settings
1080P 5%
1440P 8%
4k 11%
So RTX 3080 actually a great value if you can find at $700 or so, RTX 3090 bad value but still a better value compared to the RTX 2080 Ti when launched at $1200
 
So yeah who wouldn't want a RTX 3090?  But at $800 more than a RTX 3080 you could just buy two RTX 3080 or use the money to upgrade a lot of your system.  Sure there will be some people who do use the RTX 3090 for "work" and at $1500 the memory you get is a steal and if you are one of those people who just wants the best of the best or has a 8K TV then yeah sure the RTX 3090 makes sense.  But at this point the fact that we have to think of caveats to justify the RTX 3090 is more telling, kind of like we did with the RTX 2080 Ti...

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Stupid to buy the 3090 for gaming.

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Super niche product for those with deep pocket that want the best GPU with the ability to SLI.

Nvidia know they can sell this thing so you don't need to worry. lol

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7 minutes ago, Jrasero said:

But at $800 more than a RTX 3080 you could just buy two RTX 3080 or use the money to upgrade a lot of your system

Not much point in buying two, either way. You can't SLI the 3080.

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The people who want this are the same people who wanted the RTX Titan, and willing to pay a premium for diminishing returns. Nothing to see here, move along.

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Just now, Chris Pratt said:

Not much point in buying two, either way. You can't SLI the 3080.

haven't you heard SLI is dead lol

 

Either way with little to no support by developers either what's the point?  

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So the same thread when any Titan is announced... What's new?  You pay through the nose for number 1.  $ to performance has nothing to do with it.

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recall that the titan rtx wasnt even better than the 2080ti in games all the time, in some it was a few percent slower. and that was 2500 bucks. thats the price you pay for a non professional workstation gpu, let alone a real quadro lol

 

with 20gb and 16gb versions of the 3080 and 3070 seeming likely, doesnt it seem like those will cut heavily into 3090 sales? really the vram amounts are the only significant difference between the 3080 and 3090, even if they charge 1000 bucks for a 3080 20gb it would be way better value than the 3090. in which case the single realistic purpose for a 3090 will be for nvlink which is still useful in some workstation applications but is generally unnecessary and at 3000+ bucks you might as well look at real cards with professional driver support for your workloads

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They called it "Titan class", and yeah makes more sense for non-gaming use, but also made a big deal about supposed 8k gaming with this card. So Nvidia definitely pushed a gaming angle with this card as well.

 

10-15% more performance (maybe, very cherrypicked I am sure) for 114% more money. Terrible gaming card.

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1 minute ago, Sir Beregond said:

They called it "Titan class", and yeah makes more sense for non-gaming use, but also made a big deal about supposed 8k gaming with this card. So Nvidia definitely pushed a gaming angle with this card as well.

 

10-15% more performance (maybe, very cherrypicked I am sure) for 114% more money. Terrible gaming card.

They also told you 1st gen RTX would be amazing. So, there's that.

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For some people, the 3090 is a nobrainer. It is faster, and has over 2x  the vram. With the abiltiy to sli (still dont know if it is sli-mode nvlink or true nvlink) the cards are a great choice for multi GPU workloads. If it can do true nvlink, it can share the vram to have 48gb of vram.

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42 minutes ago, Jrasero said:

haven't you heard SLI is dead lol

 

Either way with little to no support by developers either what's the point?  

Sure, there's not much point anyways, but literally you couldn't even if you wanted to with the 3080. Doesn't support it at all.

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2 hours ago, dilpickle said:

Yes you can. It supports the MultiGPU function of DX12 and Vulkan which is what Nvidia is now calling SLI. Currently supported by 14 games.

 

https://nvidia.custhelp.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/5082

That's not SLI. Nvidia can call it whatever they want, but they're likely just using the term to convey similar functionality. Any app, game or otherwise, can choose to write code that utilizes multiple GPUs. SLI was about doing that in a way that didn't require targeting each GPU independently, which is what games will now have to do. You just think SLI support was abysmal. The amount of devs that are actually going to do this is vanishingly small. Nvidia effectively killed SLI, at least on the gaming cards. Saying a dev can do something is meaningless. Devs can do anything. The only limitation is time and money, which will kill any initiative to take on multi GPU manually, unless it's a benchmark title like Crysis Remastered.

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I need it for the extra fps for WOW and LOL of the only games I play.

But seriously, I don't care, I just wanted to buy it anyway. pissed the bots got it still. Maybe I should invest in one of these so I can actually get one next time......

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49 minutes ago, Chris Pratt said:

That's not SLI. Nvidia can call it whatever they want, but they're likely just using the term to convey similar functionality. Any app, game or otherwise, can choose to write code that utilizes multiple GPUs. SLI was about doing that in a way that didn't require targeting each GPU independently, which is what games will now have to do. You just think SLI support was abysmal. The amount of devs that are actually going to do this is vanishingly small. Nvidia effectively killed SLI, at least on the gaming cards. Saying a dev can do something is meaningless. Devs can do anything. The only limitation is time and money, which will kill any initiative to take on multi GPU manually, unless it's a benchmark title like Crysis Remastered.

I agree its not the SLI that we know and I also agree that nothing is going to support it.

 

But its not accurate to simply say that "you can't SLI the 3090". You certainly can as long as you know how much money you are wasting...

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Would be an easier decision if both were readily available, but there aren't.

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I'm not going to bother with either the 3080 or the 3090. All you are doing is showing NVIDIA that you are happy to pay their absurd prices. The second AMD is back to being a joke they'll hike the prices up. The only reason they didn't this time is because they don't want to underestimate AMD like Intel did. I'm going to wait for the 15th for the RTX 3070 and see how it performs and then compare it with whatever AMD announces on the 28th. If everyone rewarded companies for pro consumer behaviour we would all be sitting here playing in 4K at half the price.

 

And btw you guys keep saying that the 3090 is for rich people but I honestly see a lot of poor people with no jobs who use their benefit money on these things. Same people spent their money on Titans in SLI back then. Gamers are not famous for being bright sadly.

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8 hours ago, Mister Woof said:

The people who want this are the same people who wanted the RTX Titan, and willing to pay a premium for diminishing returns. Nothing to see here, move along.

Ya exactly this.  And honestly, it would be a steal compared to the RTX Titan especially considering.

 

1.  More cuda cores (3090/3080 vs RTX Titan/2080ti)

2.  More performance gain in gaming (3090/3080 vs RTX Titan/2080ti)...the RTX titan performed almost identical to a 2080 ti, the gains were almost non existent.  Also the 3090 actually allows a jump up in resolution (although not ideal 8k gaming, it still allows 8k, the 3080 cant do that due to VRAM limits).

3.  Price: RTX 3090 1000$ less than Titan RTX with an actual noticeable increase in gaming performance, and it can support a higher rez than the lower level cards because it has the vram AND the cores to make it happen (albeit it is not the best experience)

 

It needs Titan level drivers, thats the main issue

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8 hours ago, Mister Woof said:

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welp they did it, 10% and only in 4k.

 

my friends and i are waiitng for the 3080 with more ram now, whether it's 12 or 20.

 

custom 3090+tax is gonna cost like 1850, 1k+ more for 10% lol.

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RTX 3090 Facts:

 

Great gaming card

Great workstation card

Poor price to performance in gaming

 

Which should you buy?

 

Look at the benchmarks and decide for yourself, buy whatever you want because it's your money.

 

13 hours ago, Dedayog said:

Stupid to buy the 3090 for gaming.

 

I bought it for gaming and folding. My 3080 ended up being cancelled and I'm in need of a new card now.

 

My options are:

 

Buy a 3080 on ebay for over 1000 euros, because the only place I can buy new is from pccomponentes and they don't have any, instead I would prefer to get a new 3090 off pccomponetes for 200-300 euros more.

 

Buy another card to use while I wait for 3080 stock, so that's 700 euros plus whatever I pay for a temporary card that needs to run my 4k 120hz display for potentially a few months. I this case too I prefer to pay extra for the 3090 now.

 

I play at 4k 120hz, so having that extra performance at higher resolutions is great. 

 

I believe that for some people situations, buying a 3090 from gaming isn't stupid.

 

It's my money that I worked for, I don't wear fancy cloths or drive fancy cars, but tech is my hobby, my 3090 will be used almost everyday and bring me many hours of enjoyment, so I will decide whether or not it's worth the money.

 

If I could buy a 3080 for 700 euros today I would, but right now and for God knows how long i cant, and the only places I can a 3080 puts it only 200-300 euros less than a 3090, I was very lucky I could get the 3090 for retail price, if I wasn't able to get that yesterday I would now be looking for a second hand 2080 ti.

 

 

 

 

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5 hours ago, Shlouski said:

RTX 3090 Facts:

 

Great gaming card

Great workstation card

Poor price to performance in gaming

 

Which should you buy?

 

Look at the benchmarks and decide for yourself, buy whatever you want because it's your money.

 

 

I bought it for gaming and folding. My 3080 ended up being cancelled and I'm in need of a new card now.

 

My options are:

 

Buy a 3080 on ebay for over 1000 euros, because the only place I can buy new is from pccomponentes and they don't have any, instead I would prefer to get a new 3090 off pccomponetes for 200-300 euros more.

 

Buy another card to use while I wait for 3080 stock, so that's 700 euros plus whatever I pay for a temporary card that needs to run my 4k 120hz display for potentially a few months. I this case too I prefer to pay extra for the 3090 now.

 

I play at 4k 120hz, so having that extra performance at higher resolutions is great. 

 

I believe that for some people situations, buying a 3090 from gaming isn't stupid.

 

It's my money that I worked for, I don't wear fancy cloths or drive fancy cars, but tech is my hobby, my 3090 will be used almost everyday and bring me many hours of enjoyment, so I will decide whether or not it's worth the money.

 

If I could buy a 3080 for 700 euros today I would, but right now and for God knows how long i cant, and the only places I can a 3080 puts it only 200-300 euros less than a 3090, I was very lucky I could get the 3090 for retail price, if I wasn't able to get that yesterday I would now be looking for a second hand 2080 ti.

 

 

 

 

You created a scenario where you justify the 3090, my point still stands.  You even went deeper into the hole.

 

I justified my rig the same way.  My money, I work, no dependents, own my house, cars, etc.

 

Being that much faster for that much money...PT Barnum, my friend.

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18 minutes ago, Dedayog said:

You created a scenario where you justify the 3090

 

I didn't create anything, it all happenen with little or no intervention from me. My card is going bad, I was born on a small island with little infrastructure, I didnt make the cards or decide when they were released or the prices etc...........

 

Their are nearly 8 billion people in this world, I dunno how many gamers there are in the world, but maybe some people in unique situations are justified in buying one for gaming.

29 minutes ago, Dedayog said:

Being that much faster for that much money

 

Well the cheapest 3080 I can find is 1050 euros, and being inside europe but outside the eu I likely won't have a warranty on it once imported here. My 3090 is 1370 euros, so that 10-20% and a warranty for 220 euros more, that's not too bad imo.

 

It's all a matter of perspective, I know people that are shocked to hear anyone would spend 400 euros on a card, when their whole computer cost that. I have lived in thailand for a while and I can tell you that many people would think its crazy to spend 400 euros on a pc to play games on it. 

 

It's all perspective, where is the line in the sand, and who draws it. You clearly have a different perspective from me, but I'm not announcing that everyone the disagrees with me as stupid.

 

 

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