3080 benchmarks are in! Are they good?

[Dr_Whom]

5 hours ago, RejZoR said:

Would be nice if they compared RTX 3080 to GTX 1080Ti since those people are most likely to be doing upgrades, realistically...

GN compared it in their review. 3080 is about 70-90% faster at 1440p and 4k. Looking like a nice upgrade for those of us on 1080Ti that smelled the 20 series scam from a mile away. I'll just be kicking back and waiting to see what AMD does and for stock to stabilize.

[Delicieuxz]

RTX 3080 tested on various CPUs to measure bottlenecks: https://www.tomshardware.com/features/nvidia-geforce-rtx-3080-ampere-cpu-scaling-benchmarks

 

Edit: I just saw that @SolarNova already posted it.

 

 

[xg32]

15 minutes ago, DutchGuyTom said:

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for last geni don't have the detailed math anymore but if there's a budget limit then 3600 was almost always the choice as a better gpu will give more performance, once we go into a 2080S territory, it gets very interesting on whether u wanna go from a 3600 to a 10600k for the extra performance for 150usd~ more (cpu cooler+cpu cost diff), i almost never recommended a 3700x but that's just me. There's also a meme that a 3600+2080 ti is about the same as a 10600k +2080S in some use cases.

 

Another to look at bottlenecks is to base off the top cpus atm, most of the time 10600k/10700k has the same gaming performance as a 10900k, so for most people those are enough, when i talk about bottlenecks in those scenario it's really how much slower X cpu is compared to at least a 10600k on a given resolution/frame rate, for a 700dollar gpu i'd really not skip the 150usd difference between a 3600 and a 10600k and lose ~10% performance. For older cpu, just compare them to a 10600k or 10700k to see the % bottleneck, at least with a number users will get an idea of how much they lose instead of just "fine, a little bit, severe"

 

The tom's link is awesome, thanks @SolarNova 

https://www.tomshardware.com/features/nvidia-geforce-rtx-3080-ampere-cpu-scaling-benchmarks

 

It's good that we now know the pci-e 3.0 bottleneck is 1-2% so we can throw that out the window for the 3080 at least.

 

I'm excited for zen 3 now that we know that the current cpus are all too slow for the 3080 in some ways. 

[Arika]

9 hours ago, TVwazhere said:

They do every time. Hence why I tell people Wait for the goddamn benchmarks.

 

Now people may or may not get appropriately hyped for these cards. 

i have exactly 0 sympathy for people that preordered any of the 30xx cards and now feel like they don't live up to the hype because they listened to the marketing, stop listening to the marketing, WTF

[SolarNova]

You know what even more interesting...

 

Ethereum hash rates.

 

The 3080 is roughly the same as a Radeon 7, but the R7 uses slightly less power and will have already paid for itself for those that have them now.

 

So this worry about miners buying up the 3080's may not be as big a problem as we may think. If they are smart ..which is ...questionable.. .they would stick with their current R7's.

[Gohardgrandpa]

Can’t lie I’m disappointed with the numbers at 1440p. A 2080 super avg 107 fps vs 3080 154fps. I can’t see spending $700 when I’m already over 100fps in most of my games already. 
 

This is a good improvement that we needed to see with 4k trying to be the thing now a days. I’m happy that we are seeing playable framerates at 4k instead of the 40-60 numbers we had before. 
 

 I’ll stick with my $250 rtx 2080 super that I bought when people panic sold cards after the reveal. It still does the job just fine on my 1440p 144hz monitor. 
 

To everyone that buys this, I hope you enjoy your card. I myself can’t spend the money and will wait til the rtx4000 series comes out when ray tracing should really be a thing in games and not some random ass add on some developers put in games 

[SFFDesigns]

4 minutes ago, Gohardgrandpa said:

$250 rtx 2080 super

Wow! That is one incredible deal right there

[Gohardgrandpa]

22 minutes ago, Hymenopus_Coronatus said:

Wow! That is one incredible deal right there

Yeah it’s an evga xc ultra that was purchased in November so it still has over 2 years of warranty on it. I went from a 2060 super to the 2080 super. I play games that ran fine on the 2060 super so I don’t need to upgrade. 
 

Maybe in the next year or two we’ll get affordable 4k 144hz monitors. 

[Pickles von Brine]

I am upgrading from my 1070. Glad I waited becuase man it is going to be a jump

 

[cj09beira]

1 hour ago, SolarNova said:

You know what even more interesting...

 

Ethereum hash rates.

 

The 3080 is roughly the same as a Radeon 7, but the R7 uses slightly less power and will have already paid for itself for those that have them now.

 

So this worry about miners buying up the 3080's may not be as big a problem as we may think. If they are smart ..which is ...questionable.. .they would stick with their current R7's.

as a ex-miner, the numbers really dont impress, unless there is some optimization that could come in time they wont change the market and cause miners to try get them, i think amd might be in more danger there with them supposedly going for a massive L4 cache, which could speed up some of the coins quite a bit.

8 minutes ago, DutchGuyTom said:

I wouldn't say that current CPUs are too slow. Current CPUs are fast enough to benefit from an upgrade to the 3080 so long as you are at 4K. 

even outside of it only 1080p sees massive bottlenecks, for 1440p in most cases you are fine and where there is its usually at quite high fps anyway

[Maticks]

8 hours ago, Kierax said:

I am pondering now if the 3070 is worthwhile upgrade for a 1080 for 1440p 165hz gaming?

Your CPU will be your bottleneck at 165 FPS. might be time for an upgrade, even 8th gen will give you a bit of a boost to that.

It was mentioned even 8th gen to 10th gen is a 20% increase in FPS at stock GPU settings at the 100+ side of the spectrum.

[Letgomyleghoe.]

 Amd is going to have a hard time convincing me to go over to there side. The 3070 coolers looks better than the Amd gpu's and has more features at the same price. This is pure speculation as ive heard that amd is trying not put themselves as the cheaper nvidia card option but don't quote me on that.

[Maticks]

13 minutes ago, Gundar said:

 Amd is going to have a hard time convincing me to go over to there side. The 3070 coolers looks better than the Amd gpu's and has more features at the same price. This is pure speculation as ive heard that amd is trying not put themselves as the cheaper nvidia card option but don't quote me on that.

every aircooler ive seen i don't care able till the 3080, it is a piece of art and its fully functional. great job Nvidia but for us hardline cooling fans i feel bad for the first time planning to rip this thing apart.

[Letgomyleghoe.]

Just now, Maticks said:

every aircooler ive seen i don't care able till the 3080, it is a piece of art and its fully functional. great job Nvidia but for us hardline cooling fans i feel bad for the first time planning to rip this thing apart.

I mean for small form factor water cooling that pcb is a godsend

[EChondo]

Great to see benchmarks finally. I personally favor TPU's benchmarks since I've been reading them for almost a decade now and never been steered wrong.

 

3080 vs 2080ti($999.99(Sept 2018));

 

14.94% better at 1080p
23.45% at 1440p
31.57% at 4k

3080 vs 2080 super($699.99(July 2019));

29.87% at 1080p
42.85% at 1440p
56.25% at 4k

 

3080 vs 2080 ($699.99(Sept 2018));

35.13% at 1080p
51.51% at 1440p
66.66% at 4k

 

3080 vs 1080ti($699.99(March 2017));

49.25% at 1080p
69.49% at 1440p
88.67% at 4k

 

So looking at 1440p(cause thats what I run) and focusing on $699 price, in 1 year we got 42.85% more performance, 2 years 51.51%, and 3 years 69.49%.

 

So, the jump between 1080ti and 2080S was only 18.64% and had to wait 2 years.

 

1080ti and 3080 is 69% in 3 years. Literally 44% more performance, at the same price, waiting an extra year after 2080S...yeah, Turing sucked big time for price:performance.

 

Even though this isn't "2x 2080 Super", this is still a HUGE jump and makes me question...why these prices? Why did Nvidia decide to sell at such a competitive price compared to previous generations? They could have sold the 3080 for $999 easy, no problem. Hell, they could have sold the 3080 for $1200 and bumped the 3090 to $2000.

 

I'm glad I returned my 2060 I bought recently for a SFF build and am using my old GTX 970 in its place, because this is quite a big jump, but now I'm super curious with what AMD has in store.

 

AMD has not been competitive in the past, especially these past 2 years during Turing where Nvidia seemed to only release small upgrades at high costs, but with Nvidia coming down in price:performance, this really makes me want to believe AMD has something this time around, especially with the new consoles(albeit cut down), do seem to claim great performance(4k60fps, some multiplayer being 4k120fps).

 

Could this be AMD's redemption period? I don't think I would place a monetary bet, but I'm definitely not buying a 3000 series while AMD seemingly has potential if Nvidia is acting this way.

 

November is going to be quite interesting!

[BroliviaWilde]

2 minutes ago, EChondo said:

Why did Nvidia decide to sell at such a competitive price compared to previous generations? They could have sold the 3080 for $999 easy, no problem. Hell, they could have sold the 3080 for $1200 and bumped the 3090 to $2000.

 

 

one theory why that is at that  pricepoint:

competing with AMD on two fronts - RDNA2 desktop chips about to release and with the 3070 right at same price as new game consoles, some might even see the 3070 as a gateway, well hey, if you are willing to spend $500 on a gpu, maybe you might be willing to spend a bit more and get the 3080 instead.  They went with Samsung 8nm node, from what I read/watched it is considerably cheaper per wafer than what TSMC has on their 7nm, combine that with the sourness over the significant price increase on the 2080ti over the 1080ti and it just adds up.  

[X-System]

Today, 09/17 at 7:59AM GMT+1, the order of RTX 3080 still doesn't open...

 

https://www.nvidia.com/fr-fr/geforce/graphics-cards/30-series/

[LAwLz]

1 hour ago, EChondo said:

Great to see benchmarks finally. I personally favor TPU's benchmarks since I've been reading them for almost a decade now and never been steered wrong.

 

 

 

3080 vs 2080 ($699.99(Sept 2018));

26% at 1080p
34% at 1440p
40% at 4k

 

 

I think you're made an error in your calculations

https://www.techpowerup.com/review/nvidia-geforce-rtx-3080-founders-edition/34.html

 

 

3080 vs 2080:

1080p - 74 to 100 = 35% increase

1440p - 66 to 100 = 51% increase

4K - 60 to 100 = 66% increase

 

 

Remember, 50 to 100 is a 100% increase, not a 50% increase. "The 2080 gets 74% of the performance of a 3080" is not the same as "the 3080 is 26% faster than the 2080".

So the 3080 is actually even better than what you calculated in your post.

[Fatih19]

14 hours ago, IAmAndre said:

Now all AMD has to do is match the performance of a 2080/2080Ti, make it consume much less power and sell it for less.

Press X to doubt.

[RejZoR]

I don't think AMD was expecting NVIDIA to make such massive jump in performance. Or maybe, AMD had a massive jump and NVIDIA managed to find out and leaped them. Time will tell. Soon. Whatever it happens, I hope AMD will do well coz we need strong competition for this to be regular occurrence. Otherwise we'll go back to 15% boosts with generations...

[porina]

1 hour ago, RejZoR said:

I don't think AMD was expecting NVIDIA to make such massive jump in performance. Or maybe, AMD had a massive jump and NVIDIA managed to find out and leaped them. Time will tell. Soon. Whatever it happens, I hope AMD will do well coz we need strong competition for this to be regular occurrence. Otherwise we'll go back to 15% boosts with generations...

Both sides would have made their design decisions with target performance levels a long time ago, years. As time goes on, it gets increasingly difficult to make major changes to what they produce. They can't know for sure ahead of time what they get out at the end, even if they will have an idea based on the design intent and target performance of whichever fab is used. Only later on can they fine tune some details. Trade off power vs clock. If not using full die, how much do they disable? And of course, they can adjust the price.

 

It does feel like nvidia decided to go all out this generation, with a mix of architectural changes as well as getting benefit from an updated process. AMD we'll have to wait and see, but my feeling is they'll be ball park performance competitive on the parts up to 3080, but will do what they usually do and try to offer more in some area (VRAM) and/or price aggressively to increase perceived value.

[Deli]

2 hours ago, porina said:

 

It does feel like nvidia decided to go all out this generation, with a mix of architectural changes as well as getting benefit from an updated process. AMD we'll have to wait and see, but my feeling is they'll be ball park performance competitive on the parts up to 3080, but will do what they usually do and try to offer more in some area (VRAM) and/or price aggressively to increase perceived value.

Nvidia willing to break the taboo of "power hungry" image. It used to belong to AMD. Nvidia has always been better at performance per watt. If Nvidia keeps the power envelop like before 250w for the high end card. There won't be a big jump of performance.

[Helpful Tech Witch]

7 hours ago, EChondo said:

 

Even though this isn't "2x 2080 Super"

They didn't claim that. They claimed up to 2x the RTX 2080. And, in fact, in Minecraft, VRAY, and various other games/programs it is.

[Consul]

 

[Taf the Ghost]

7 hours ago, BroliviaWilde said:

one theory why that is at that  pricepoint:

competing with AMD on two fronts - RDNA2 desktop chips about to release and with the 3070 right at same price as new game consoles, some might even see the 3070 as a gateway, well hey, if you are willing to spend $500 on a gpu, maybe you might be willing to spend a bit more and get the 3080 instead.  They went with Samsung 8nm node, from what I read/watched it is considerably cheaper per wafer than what TSMC has on their 7nm, combine that with the sourness over the significant price increase on the 2080ti over the 1080ti and it just adds up.  

People are forgetting that RTX cards sold terribly. They blew a hole in Nvidia's quarterly financials until the GTX cards got out. Consumer Turing 1.0 (RTX) is likely Nvidia's worst selling product stack since the early 2000s. Turing 1.5 (GTX) sold enough to cover it up in their data, while the Server versions of the Turing 1.0 cards is why their stock is skyrocketing. When you can sell 500USD gaming GPUs for >5k each, the profit margins are massive.

 

What we're seeing is that Nvidia screwed up, they know it and they also know AMD isn't taking a couple of years off in the >500USD price bracket. Nvidia knows they can move cards at 800USD, but they can't move them well at 1200USD. The 3080 is actually a 750-800 card in reality, for what Nvidia is charging AIBs, so Nvidia is also semi-suppressing prices in the opening before AMD can cause them issues.