Crypto miners are hoarding early shipments of RTX 3080s

[Dabombinable]

Can these assholes switch to using ASIC already?

5 hours ago, RejZoR said:

I hope this crap is fake. We really don't need this nonsense again... Also all this mining nonsense needs to die.

The only good thing to come out of the mining bubble, was dirt cheap RX 580.

58 minutes ago, X-System said:

It would be good if electricty companies raise the cost in kWh to crypto miners because it's not good for the environment. (8x RTX 3080 = 22.4MWh for a year !)

 

Except for Folding@Home because it's important to help the medical research

If your local grid is using Nuclear or you have Solar power on your roof...TBH it'd be fine

[Energycore]

(B) Doubt

 

Not enough evidence to be honest. I was about to go look for an RTX 2080 or something from Inno3D with the same design, but screw that. The onus of proof is on them.

 

Either way, we already knew the 3000 series was going to be incredibly hard to get at launch according to other sources that talked about actual availability.

[Donut417]

2 minutes ago, Dabombinable said:

was dirt cheap RX 580.

Thats because they ran the ever living dog crap out of them and knew no one wanted a card that could die within a short amount of time. 

 

I say when these people try to unload them, dont buy them. Let them be stuck with them. 

[Dabombinable]

Just now, Donut417 said:

Thats because they ran the ever living dog crap out of them and knew no one wanted a card that could die within a short amount of time. 

 

I say when these people try to unload them, dont buy them. Let them be stuck with them. 

2 of my friends have had ex mining RX 580 for 2 years now. They still work like new. Even my 650ti is still fine, and it was running F@H for nearly 2 years straight at one point.

[Donut417]

12 minutes ago, Dabombinable said:

2 of my friends have had ex mining RX 580 for 2 years now. They still work like new. Even my 650ti is still fine, and it was running F@H for nearly 2 years straight at one point.

From what I have read, many Miners were running those cards past safe limits. Plus I refuse to give them a holes any more. They deserve to get stuck with hardware they cant get rid of. Make it more difficult on them to recoup the cost of the GPU. 

[StDragon]

Nvidia could code in AI to the driver to detect and gimp mining performance. Just an idea.

 

Hello? You reading this Nvidia? Yeah, get to work on that please.

[Lord Vile]

7 hours ago, DuckDodgers said:

 

Ethereum Miners Eye NVIDIA’s RTX 30 Series GPU as RTX 3080 Offers 3-4x Better Performance in ETH.

 

 

Sorry Jensen, but as a Pascal owner this might delay the advertised upgrade by a long shot.

 

Sources

https://www.hardwaretimes.com/ethereum-miners-eye-nvidias-rtx-30-series-gpu-as-rtx-3080-offers-3-4x-better-performance-in-eth/

Didn’t ethereum move to ASICS years ago? 

[Lord Vile]

8 minutes ago, StDragon said:

Nvidia could code in AI to the driver to detect and gimp mining performance. Just an idea.

 

Hello? You reading this Nvidia? Yeah, get to work on that please.

They put a hacked BIOS on it anyway

[JediFragger]

2 hours ago, YellowJersey said:

Yet another reason to never adopt early.

And.....kids are cunts.

[Letgomyleghoe]

6 hours ago, Jurrunio said:

will admit I just want miners to buy more Radeons and keep Geforce to the gamers since miners arent as bothered by crappy drivers

They can go buy Radeon workstation cards, my 5700xt and rx580 have never had a driver issue that I’m aware of, and the 5700xt provided way more performance than I would have got with nvidia.

[Jurrunio]

2 minutes ago, Letgomyleghoe said:

They can go buy Radeon workstation cards,

those loses the price advantage over Nvidia tho.

[Letgomyleghoe]

1 minute ago, Jurrunio said:

those loses the price advantage over Nvidia tho.

Exactly, then there’s no headache for people trying to buy a singular rx5700xt or 6900xt when it comes out

[captain_to_fire]

I can see a resurgence of cryptojacking

 

[StDragon]

6 hours ago, RejZoR said:

I hope this crap is fake. We really don't need this nonsense again... Also all this mining nonsense needs to die.

Depending on market demand for crypto currency (depend on the coin) hash rate, hardware becomes a fungible commodity; be it GPUs, CPUs, hacked Game Consoles, or ASICs.

 

The problem is that Nvidia has such a good price/performance ratio to the given hash rate that demand will raise the price to equilibrium. 

[cj09beira]

6 hours ago, valdyrgramr said:

The problem with RDNA is that it lacks key feats that made Vega Gen 1 aka 56 and 64, Gen 2 aka the VII, and Furys better at it and other tasks.  The main benefits came from the combination of HBM and HBM2 backed by the CUs,  iirc.  RDNA was pretty craptastic compared to HBM and HBM2 offerings by AMD in several tasks while having advantage in gaming only from what I remember.

it wasn't hbm that made vega good for mining, vega actually underperformed on most algorithms compared to how much larger of a gpu it was vs the polaris cards, though there were a few where it did very well.

5 hours ago, valdyrgramr said:

Hot as in used or actual performaance for the task?   There's a bit of a difference there.   HBM and HBM2 cards were pretty much sought the most from AMD's side, and the hardest to get if you were a gamer during the shortage.

the oposite was true, polaris was more sought after as it had better ROI, and had more coins where it was good at while vega was only really good at a few.

5 hours ago, LAwLz said:

You got it backwards.

AMD were the ones encouraging miners by doing things like releasing drivers optimized for mining and advertising their products as good for mining. Nvidia were trying to prevent miners from buying their cards.

 

Here is a topic from 2018 about Nvidia begging retailers to not sell cards to miners:

 

Here is my post from a couple of years ago about it:  

 

amd released a grand total of, drums rools please..... 2 updates with almost no difference between one after another, them that addressed mining, they also did try to get cards into gamer's hands.

3 hours ago, Jurrunio said:

hot, as in saught after.

 

I dont think RDNA2 will be using HBM if it's meant to go from high end to mid range or even low end, otherwise two versions of the architecture will have to be made with different memory controllers. HBM might be the only solution to high end Radeon GPUs' huge need on memory bandwidth if they dont want to make huge memory widths (512bit or higher) again, who knows.

amd can change memory controllers like one chooses which engine you want or car to have, its not a difficult thing to do, hell navi 10 has a hbm counterpart that only launched for apple.

2 hours ago, valdyrgramr said:

It's using a GDDR variant which makes sense given that they're meant for gaming and not compute.   HBM2 is meant more for workstation/server cards as compute tasks is where you see the real benefit of it.  I'm curious if they're going to do a gen 3 of vega with it, or if vega is officially dead.

for straight compute amd will use cdna, their next gen 128 CU monster, but those wont have graphics pipelines so rdna 2 will still have to do really well for more general compute (3d rendering, a bit of Ai, etc) to be able to adress the professional market.

2 hours ago, X-System said:

It would be good if electricty companies raise the cost in kWh to crypto miners because it's not good for the environment. (8x RTX 3080 = 22.4MWh for a year !)

 

Except for Folding@Home because it's important to help the medical research

how is it any different to you and me playing games, dont throw around such authoritarian proposals.

50 minutes ago, Donut417 said:

From what I have read, many Miners were running those cards past safe limits. Plus I refuse to give them a holes any more. They deserve to get stuck with hardware they cant get rid of. Make it more difficult on them to recoup the cost of the GPU. 

The exact opposite is true, miners aren't stupid, they have ROIs to meet, costs to reduce etc, do you think that a overcloked card will give better ROI, it doesn't, most miners had underclocked cards with tuned memory settings, to reduce heat and thus have the card running as close to their peak efficiency as possible, and because of how many of the algos worked you wont even get much performance increase from overclocking the core 

[X-System]

2 minutes ago, cj09beira said:

how is it any different to you and me playing games, dont throw around such authoritarian proposals.

Do you play games nonstop (24 hours and 365 days, it's no life) and with many graphics cards at the same time ?

[cj09beira]

Just now, X-System said:

Do you play games nonstop (24 hours and 365 days, it's no life) and with many graphics cards at the same time ?

Blushes...

[Dabombinable]

1 hour ago, Donut417 said:

From what I have read, many Miners were running those cards past safe limits. Plus I refuse to give them a holes any more. They deserve to get stuck with hardware they cant get rid of. Make it more difficult on them to recoup the cost of the GPU. 

Undervolting the core is beyond safe limits?

[Donut417]

19 minutes ago, cj09beira said:

how is it any different to you and me playing games, dont throw around such authoritarian proposals.

Unless your streaming to Twitch is gaming making you money? How many GPU's do people tend to have gaming? 1 maybe 2, not the amount coin miners tend to have. Coin miners are no different then the guys on Wall Street...... A bunch of greedy bastards that screw over other people. 

[YellowJersey]

1 hour ago, JediFragger said:

And.....kids are cunts.

I don't like people. They're rough and irritating... and they get everywhere.

[GDRRiley]

6 hours ago, eeeee1 said:

i was hoping that nvidia could just block ip's from buying more if they hit the limit but i am no javascript or whatever website programming language/api there is    expert.

IP blocks like that are a big pain given how many people share them. and if they wanted to get around it take out a phone

[Bombastinator]

8 hours ago, RejZoR said:

I hope this crap is fake. We really don't need this nonsense again... Also all this mining nonsense needs to die.

One easy way to figure it out is if these things beat ANT miners or not.  If they don’t and there isn’t some weird law in China that bans ant miners but not GPUs it’s by definition garbage. If it’s marginal it’s possible that stats are being inflated and it’s still garbage.

[vortextech77]

People still crypto mine lmao

[Bombastinator]

Just now, vortextech77 said:

People still crypto mine lmao

There may be additional drivers in other countries due to regulations.  There may be special stuff in China. I don’t know. Also if electricity is free it becomes free money. Just not very much.  Crypto mining more or less turns electrical power into cash at ever decreasing efficiency.  It will always probably continue in situations where electricity costs $0

[3Dkat]

9 hours ago, RejZoR said:

I hope this crap is fake. We really don't need this nonsense again... Also all this mining nonsense needs to die.

Yes