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Looking at the 3070, what will I NEED to upgrade?

I apologize in advance because I'm sure this board is getting absolutely HAMMERED with threads like this, but I'm just trying to get my ducks in a row for the release. 

I currently have an i5-8400 so I know I'll be upgrading to a 9700 or 9900k
My motherboard is a MSI MPG Z390 GAMING EDGE AC which is a PCIe 3.0
and I also have an EVGA 500W 80+ Bronze PSU which I suppose I'll be upgrading to a 650W+ PSU.


Someone suggested I switch to AMD and after pricing everything out for a B550-A Pro and either a 3600 or 3700X would be more expensive than going with a 9900K. 

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possibly your psu but not too sure everything else looks to be fine

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People will now recommend AMD because they are more affordable for the long run as it seems. So if you got a b550 or x570 AM4 board then you will most likely be able to upgrade for much cheaper in the future. AMD normally offer 3 gens maybe 4 gens of cpus. So upgrading now will make upgrading in the future easier. Cause if you upgrade to a 9900k the next time you want to change CPUs it will cost you another motherboard as well. So it might make sense to do it now instead of later.

 

I have a b350 board for my home nas and I could put a 3950x whenever I decide to. 

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2 minutes ago, KaptainKloss said:

I don't care what they recommend, I believe its better to have some headroom.

Your opinion is not a fact though. What you believe is not a requirement. I run 2 systems that have a below recommended spec PSU with zero issues. Not somthing I will go outright and endorse but if you are within reason and using a quality PSU then it is okay. Going the otherway and geting a PSU that is 200W+ over spec is not "better"

 

11 minutes ago, Rambeaux said:

I currently have an i5-8400 so I know I'll be upgrading to a 9700 or 9900k
My motherboard is a MSI MPG Z390 GAMING EDGE AC which is a PCIe 3.0
and I also have an EVGA 500W 80+ Bronze PSU which I suppose I'll be upgrading to a 650W+ PSU

 

What do you use this system for primarily?

 

If you game the 9700k would be good buy, especially since you have the motherboard already. And if you are going for a 3070 I would look at a 1440p 144Hz monitor at the very least. Otherwise this is completely overkill for 1080p 144Hz gaming.

 

The PSU would be a must at this point. 500W would likely be okay but the quality would be my primary concern. A good 550-650W unit would suffice. Refer to this list:

I recommend Tier B or Higher if possible, something like a Corsair RMx. 

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17 minutes ago, Rambeaux said:

I apologize in advance because I'm sure this board is getting absolutely HAMMERED with threads like this, but I'm just trying to get my ducks in a row for the release. 

I currently have an i5-8400 so I know I'll be upgrading to a 9700 or 9900k
My motherboard is a MSI MPG Z390 GAMING EDGE AC which is a PCIe 3.0
and I also have an EVGA 500W 80+ Bronze PSU which I suppose I'll be upgrading to a 650W+ PSU.


Someone suggested I switch to AMD and after pricing everything out for a B550-A Pro and either a 3600 or 3700X would be more expensive than going with a 9900K. 

This is my current build for what it's worth:

Why the hell would you go from 500W to 650W? Nowadays I wouldn't even look at anything below 850W 80+ Gold Fully Modular.

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16 minutes ago, tank234 said:

possibly your psu but not too sure everything else looks to be fine

You don’t think the 8400 would cause a bottleneck?

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1 minute ago, HumdrumPenguin said:

Why the hell would you go from 500W to 650W? Nowadays I wouldn't even look at anything below 850W 80+ Gold Fully Modular.

Why, whats your logic?

 

4 minutes ago, Stoigeboiii said:

People will now recommend AMD because they are more affordable for the long run as it seems. So if you got a b550 or x570 AM4 board then you will most likely be able to upgrade for much cheaper in the future. AMD normally offer 3 gens maybe 4 gens of cpus. So upgrading now will make upgrading in the future easier. Cause if you upgrade to a 9900k the next time you want to change CPUs it will cost you another motherboard as well. So it might make sense to do it now instead of later.

OP already has a Z390 board, going to an inferior gaming platform (if that is primary use) makes zero sense. And 4th Gen Ryzen (Zen 3) is more than likely the last we will see of AM4. If you buy RIGHT now you could go for 3rd and then 4th gen ryzen in a few months, and that is likely it.

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8 minutes ago, TheDailyProcrastinator said:

Your opinion is not a fact though. What you believe is not a requirement. I run 2 systems that have a below recommended spec PSU with zero issues. Not somthing I will go outright and endorse but if you are within reason and using a quality PSU then it is okay. Going the otherway and geting a PSU that is 200W+ over spec is not "better"

 

What do you use this system for primarily?

 

If you game the 9700k would be good buy, especially since you have the motherboard already. And if you are going for a 3070 I would look at a 1440p 144Hz monitor at the very least. Otherwise this is completely overkill for 1080p 144Hz gaming.

 

The PSU would be a must at this point. 500W would likely be okay but the quality would be my primary concern. A good 550-650W unit would suffice. Refer to this list:

I recommend Tier B or Higher if possible, something like a Corsair RMx. 

You clearly had your head under a rock during the press event. The fact that you built two systems using Turing / Pascal based cards will mean nothing in about a month when these cards drop and Zen 3 is announced. 12 pin power connector on reference cards indicate record power draw. 400W power delivery for AIB cards running stock. This doesn't even take into consideration the CPU or any sort of overclocking. This guy would fry his PC if he settled for a 500W. 

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4 minutes ago, Rambeaux said:

You don’t think the 8400 would cause a bottleneck?

what games do you plan on playing because it all depends on the game and whether it is more cpu or gpu intensive you can't define the word bottleneck 

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5 minutes ago, TheDailyProcrastinator said:

Why, whats your logic?

Efficiency, headroom for both CPU and GPU overclock, and system cleanness. 

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4 minutes ago, KaptainKloss said:

You clearly had your head under a rock during the press event. The fact that you built two systems using Turing / Pascal based cards will mean nothing in about a month when these cards drop and Zen 3 is announced. 12 pin power connector on reference cards indicate record power draw. 400W power delivery for AIB cards running stock. This doesn't even take into consideration the CPU or any sort of overclocking. This guy would fry his PC if he settled for a 500W. 

 

10 minutes ago, HumdrumPenguin said:

Efficiency, headroom for both CPU and GPU overclock, and system cleanness. 

 

First, the PSU recommendation for the 3070 is 650W, from Nvidia themselves. Second, that's not how system draw works in the real world. If that was the case the minimum spec recommended would be hell of a lot higher than 650W, which is already going to be beyond the base spec required. That's how an officially recommended spec works, there is headroom baked into that number.

 

In this case I recommend OP go for the spec required but beyond that even with an OC is not required. As long as the PSU is a quality unit there will be no issues. If they want to go for 750W+ fine but that is not required nor is it a bad decision to buy a PSU within the recommended spec. And I never recommended OP keep the 500W PSU. 

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I think "overhead" is good but that's not really a requirement. If you plan to get a RTX 3090 in the future than yes a 750W is a good idea (that's the recommended PSU for the 3090) then sure get that one. But to be more practically you only need a 650W. 

 

I'm not sure if this is still true but having a too big PSU will cost more for electricity than a lower watt one. I think I heard this on the news or in my electrical physics class (which i almost failed so I wouldn't trust my word for that oops) but I would understand a bigger PSU if you wanted to but I think the 650W makes the most sense

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27 minutes ago, TheDailyProcrastinator said:

 

 

First, the PSU recommendation for the 3070 is 650W, from Nvidia themselves. Second, that's not how system draw works in the real world. If that was the case the minimum spec recommended would be hell of a lot higher than 650W, which is already going to be beyond the base spec required. That's how an officially recommended spec works, there is headroom baked into that number.

 

In this case I recommend OP go for the spec required but beyond that even with an OC is not required. As long as the PSU is a quality unit there will be no issues. If they want to go for 750W+ fine but that is not required nor is it a bad decision to buy a PSU within the recommended spec. And I never recommended OP keep the 500W PSU. 

Depending on the PSU, top efficiency will happen when power drawing of 40% to 80% of its peak capacity. Good PSUs are good for about 10 years (they even get that many years in warranty). If you will use it for a long time indeed, it will not be able to use all its power after a few years. I just don't see the reason to count numbers when the price difference is small. I also accounted for 80+ Gold or better for higher efficiency and fully modular to make it easier on cable management. Since you didn't comment on these, I'll assume you agree on that part. And truth be told, what's $50 over a product that will last a decade or more? I stand by what I said initially.

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1 hour ago, tank234 said:

what games do you plan on playing because it all depends on the game and whether it is more cpu or gpu intensive you can't define the word bottleneck 

COD MW currently. I also occasionally play ARMA 3, Squad, Hell Let Loose, and some less demanding titles. In the future I plan on playing the heck out of some Cyberpunk 2077 and COD BO Cold War. I know my current rig could handle both but I’m looking to upgrade to the 3070 because the price shocked me. 

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Also does anyone know if I'll have to wait for new PSU's? I think I read they're going to have a 12 pin connector with an adapter but I'm not if I misinterpreted that. I have a modular PSU (yuck) and was curious about a modular PSU not having the right connections.. I'm not sure if that's a stupid concern or not but I've never messed with a modular PSU before... outside of PC Building Simulator 

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3 hours ago, TheDailyProcrastinator said:

And 4th Gen Ryzen (Zen 3) is more than likely the last we will see of AM4.

That is possible, not likely. It's more likely that they will do like previous CPUs in the Ryzen line, and continue the AM4 socket through the X600 chipset, and have it compatible with the X500 chipsets as well.

2 hours ago, Stoigeboiii said:

I'm not sure if this is still true but having a too big PSU will cost more for electricity than a lower watt one.

That's not how it works. It doesn't draw maximum power all the time, and it is usually most efficient at 40-75% of its rated capacity. The only time higher power PSUs would draw more than a 450W under normal use is if you went super overboard with something like a 1600W unit.

12 minutes ago, Rambeaux said:

I think I read they're going to have a 12 pin connector with an adapter but I'm not if I misinterpreted that.

The founders edition cards with the 12-pin connector include a dual 8-pin adapter. AIBs would be suicidal to not follow suit. If the 12-pin connector becomes a standard, then PSUs will likely include it by default in the future. (but it won't perform any better or worse than the adapter)

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1 hour ago, BTGbullseye said:

but it won't perform any better or worse than the adapter

Cool. That’s what I was concerned about. Thank you!

 

Can anyone give me a reason not to upgrade from an i5-8400 to an i7-9700k? I’m about to order it within the next week or so

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4 hours ago, Stoigeboiii said:

I think "overhead" is good but that's not really a requirement. If you plan to get a RTX 3090 in the future than yes a 750W is a good idea (that's the recommended PSU for the 3090) then sure get that one. But to be more practically you only need a 650W. 

 

I'm not sure if this is still true but having a too big PSU will cost more for electricity than a lower watt one. I think I heard this on the news or in my electrical physics class (which i almost failed so I wouldn't trust my word for that oops) but I would understand a bigger PSU if you wanted to but I think the 650W makes the most sense

 

1 minute ago, Rambeaux said:

Cool. That’s what I was concerned about. Thank you!

 

Can anyone give me a reason not to upgrade from an i5-8400 to an i7-9700k? I’m about to order it within the next week or so

There are a few more reasons, like AMD being ahead in processors, if you ever want to record or stream your gameplay, or you have any hobbies that involve video editing, photo editing, 3d modeling, or animation. I personal like my amd processor. And how we use processors are starting to change for games, as consoles start to use more core. And consoles dictate games and how they work

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5 hours ago, KaptainKloss said:

Right off the bat, PSU. 500W will most definitely not be enough, especially if your planning on doing any sort of OC'ing. I would go for a 750W-850W. 

would a 650 watt power supply be good enough for the 3070?

 

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18 minutes ago, Lordofcheez said:

would a 650 watt power supply be good enough for the 3070?

 

As far as I know yes. this is directly from NVIDIA's Page regarding the 3070:
 

"Recommended System Power (W) (2)

650"

 and in the notes:

 

 "2 - Recommendation is made based on PC configured with an Intel Core i9-10900K processor. A lower power rating may work depending on system configuration.

Note: The above specifications represent this GPU as incorporated into NVIDIA's reference graphics card design. Clock specifications apply while gaming with medium to full GPU utilization."

 

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Just now, Rambeaux said:

As far as I know yes. this is directly from NVIDIA's Page:
 

"Recommended System Power (W) (2)

650"

 and in the notes:

 

 "2 - Recommendation is made based on PC configured with an Intel Core i9-10900K processor. A lower power rating may work depending on system configuration.

Note: The above specifications represent this GPU as incorporated into NVIDIA's reference graphics card design. Clock specifications apply while gaming with medium to full GPU utilization."

 

lmao thanks I could of looked that up but hey at least it is enough tho that make me happy.

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1 minute ago, Lordofcheez said:

lmao thanks I could of looked that up but hey at least it is enough tho that make me happy.

In your defense, you have to scroll ALLLLLLLL the way down the page to click "View Full Specs" then scroll ALLLLLL the way down the list to find the power draw info. 

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