Nvidia 30 Series unveiled - RTX 3080 2x faster than 2080 for $699

[u4ea]

Based on the wattage they showed on the show. What would be the recommended PSU wattage for each card?

[porina]

13 hours ago, GoodBytes said:

HDMI is not free. It has royalty cost associated to it. This is why you don't have 20 of them on a TV.

Now I'm trying to think of a use case where you'd need that many on a TV...

 

13 hours ago, GoodBytes said:

DisplayPort is fully backward compatible down to HDMI and single-link DVI. HDMI can't be upgraded to DP.

The 3 video modes just mentioned are part of the DisplayPort standard, which ensures no adapter mess. You can easily get a cable where it is DP on one end, and the other HDMI, without any circuitry or conversion, ensuring 0 latency penalty (same for single link DVI). However, HDMI cannot be converted to DisplayPort. HDMI doesn't recognize DP in its standard.

To my understanding, it is not mandatory to support HDMI from a DP connector. Wouldn't it also incur the HDMI licence requirement if it did? That's why we have a mix of passive and active adapters available, depending on the capabilities of the source. I do not know that you can adapt from an nvidia or AMD GPU to HDMI passively. I know you can on not too old Dell desktop PCs using Intel Graphics, which are marked with DP++ indicating so.

 

13 hours ago, GoodBytes said:

HDMI also has under and over scan issues, a problem that DP doesn't have. Yes, I am tired of people complaining that they can't see their task bar or the image is not full screen despite native resolution set (or not detecting their screen resolution... another problem). DP, like DVI, just works.

I think that is a display choice and not due to the connection method. I've not encountered that with HDMI connected monitors, but it is very much a thing with TVs where content is normally overscanned by default, until you turn it off ideally at display than using scaling tricks to make it fit from source.

 

I do have one hate with HDMI: the limited dynamic range option which seems to default on more often than not, resulting in washed out images until the setting is set to full range.

[spartaman64]

6 minutes ago, u4ea said:

Based on the wattage they showed on the show. What would be the recommended PSU wattage for each card?

3070 is 220 watts, 3080 is 320 watts and 3090 is 350 watts

it depends on your cpu but the nvidia recommended wattage based on the 10900k is 650 watts for the 3070 750 watts for the 3080 and 3090

[u4ea]

1 minute ago, spartaman64 said:

3070 is 220 watts, 3080 is 320 watts and 3090 is 350 watts

it depends on your cpu but the nvidia recommended wattage based on the 10900k is 650 watts for the 3070 750 watts for the 3080 and 3090

Damn, was going to buy the NZXT H1, but that only has a 650w PSU built-in. And I don't want to swap that one out.

[Helpful Tech Witch]

1 minute ago, porina said:

Now I'm trying to think of a use case where you'd need that many on a TV...

 

Blueray player.

Xbox 360

Xbox One

PS3 

PS4

WII U

Switch

PC

Thats 8

            Lets see, with adaptors,

NES

SNES
N64
Game Cube

PS1

PS2
OG Xbox

Genesis

Saturn

A2600

Dreamcast

A5200

Just now, u4ea said:

Damn, was going to buy the NZXT H1, but that only has a 650w PSU built-in. And I don't want to swap that one out.

What CPU do you have? At that much performance, you can undervolt a bit, so it pulls less wattage, then get a new PSU eventually.

[Senzelian]

38 minutes ago, Drama Lama said:

Let’s wait 

Don't wanna wait anymore.

I'm running a 1080 and I desperately need an upgrade. So it's 10GB or 20GB 3080 now and I'm not sure if waiting for the 20GB version will be worth it. 

[williamcll]

I'm not sure if someone posted it already, but Digital Foundry uploaded a video and claimed that in most games it's a bump of 75-95% increase in framerate between the 2080 and 3080.

[Kilrah]

Discussed just one page back and mostly dismissed as "advertisement" since it's the games and settings NVidia allowed to show and no detailed data.

[X-System]

I think 10GB is enough for 1440p. (4K and 8K need much VRAM)

 

I will buy RTX 3080 to replace my RTX 2080 Super.

[Lakobrija]

26 minutes ago, Senzelian said:

Don't wanna wait anymore.

I'm running a 1080 and I desperately need an upgrade. So it's 10GB or 20GB 3080 now and I'm not sure if waiting for the 20GB version will be worth it. 

Meanwile me with 1050: still good for my usage

[RejZoR]

26 minutes ago, Kilrah said:

Discussed just one page back and mostly dismissed as "advertisement" since it's the games and settings NVidia allowed to show and no detailed data.

NVIDIA's graphs in presentation were advertisement. The foundry's results are just that, results. They weren't running them at 720p or some other nonsense. And having Metro, Control, Tomb Raider seems fairly reasonable set. Sure I wouldn't mind GTA5 or something, but does it really matter at this point? When you have such good results in few games, chances are, you'll have in all of them.

[Kilrah]

2 minutes ago, RejZoR said:

NVIDIA's graphs in presentation were advertisement. The foundry's results are just that, results. They weren't running them at 720p or some other nonsense. And having Metro, Control, Tomb Raider seems fairly reasonable set. Sure I wouldn't mind GTA5 or something, but does it really matter at this point? When you have such good results in few games, chances are, you'll have in all of them.

They're controlled results and with no FPS numbers, 1%/0.1% lows, impact of features like RTX etc...

 

The presentation gave numbers, this video shows how they got those numbers but that's about it.

[Tech Enthusiast]

2 hours ago, nick name said:

Well Lenovo posted some products using a 3070 Ti with 16GB so if those are accurate product specs then maybe a 3080 Ti?

Lenovo also has a 1180 "confirmed".

Not sure there is a company I would trust less with this kinda stuff.

They simply add names they got from leaks themselves as placeholders for their future products.

[hollyh88]

3 hours ago, RejZoR said:

I kinda like NVIDIA ditching Ti and Super nonsense (hopefully) and streamlining the lineup. If we later get RTX 3060, RTX 3050 and RTX 3030 and that should be enough (I actually think they'll go with RTX across the board and RTX 3030 might actually perform on a level of RTX 2060 which means actually usable RTX despite being lowest end card. Given the price point I think they're just gonna stick with it and keep selling these without any price drops unless AMD has anything to say about it. But I don't think they'll release any refreshes until next generation. They made massive performance leap and they can hold on these for longer. And same applies to consumers.

welp.. that comment was short lived lol

 ^

[Antistatic12]

I'm quietly excited about the 3070/80, but really intrigued by the 3090. It seems like it is truly going to be a monster. But I'll wait for Linus, the two Steve's and Jay to get some time with it.

Steve from GN said a few times he is interested in the thermals, sound and design. That is indeed interesting, but I really want to see how different CPU's cope with the 3080 and more specifically the 3090 and how PCIe 3.0/4.0 might mean for specific workloads a CPU change may be in order for some people or companies.

[Tech Enthusiast]

1 minute ago, Kilrah said:

They're controlled results and with no FPS numbers, 1%/0.1% lows etc...

There will be no major surprises. Why would there?

The test done is actually all you need. You want to know the uplift, there you go.

 

How much could go wrong after that? Is it possible the new GPUs have terrible 0.1% lows? Well, maybe... but most certainly not likely!?

And if all those games run that well, most of which are the standard go to games for most reviews anyways, how are the chances that all other games suddenly run way worse?

[nick name]

16 minutes ago, Tech Enthusiast said:

Lenovo also has a 1180 "confirmed".

Not sure there is a company I would trust less with this kinda stuff.

They simply add names they got from leaks themselves as placeholders for their future products.

Noted.  

 

I also hate this faulty Lenovo laptop that I'd feel to guilty selling or giving away so I have to keep using it.  So Lenovo isn't a name I trust much anymore.  

[MarcoZ]

The only leg left to stand on for AMD is process and power advantage. If they can bang out a 3070 competitor at better wattage and undercut it, they'll be good, but I have my doubts. This is very bad for competition.

[RejZoR]

25 minutes ago, Kilrah said:

They're controlled results and with no FPS numbers, 1%/0.1% lows, impact of features like RTX etc...

 

The presentation gave numbers, this video shows how they got those numbers but that's about it.

You can derive framerate from percentages by knowing how much RTX 2080 gets in those games. Also, people really care so much about low percentile? Unless you have a crappy bottlenecked system full of all sorts of other issues, it's irrelevant imo. Especially now that both AMD and NVIDIA both care a lot about frame time pacing (Ultra Low Latency, Reflex...).

[Elvara]

5 hours ago, NE0XY said:

Thanks, 

You mean the HydroCopper right? I had a 980 with HC block a couple of years ago.  

Actually didn't look properly the kingpin is also water cooled but it already comes with an AIO and it's the same for the hybrid so yes it's the HydroCopper for a custom loop.

[spartaman64]

26 minutes ago, MarcoZ said:

The only leg left to stand on for AMD is process and power advantage. If they can bang out a 3070 competitor at better wattage and undercut it, they'll be good, but I have my doubts. This is very bad for competition.

i think they have a 3080 competitor and the fact that nvidia is pricing things this well is an indicator that they might have something really competitive 

[Parideboy]

Just now, spartaman64 said:

i think they have a 3080 competitor and the fact that nvidia is pricing things this well is an indicator that they might have something really competitive 

Don't know about the 3080... The horsepower will definetly be there, we'll need to see the drivers. That will be too good to be true.

It's likely a 3070 competitor, probably 100$ cheaper.

 

Being more efficient tho, AMD might be able to squeeze more performance out of it.

The waiting is killing me.

[GoodBytes]

 

1 hour ago, porina said:

To my understanding, it is not mandatory to support HDMI from a DP connector. Wouldn't it also incur the HDMI licence requirement if it did? That's why we have a mix of passive and active adapters available, depending on the capabilities of the source.

HDMI fees is on the HDMI port and HDMI cables from my understanding. Input and output.

 

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I do not know that you can adapt from an nvidia or AMD GPU to HDMI passively. I know you can on not too old Dell desktop PCs using Intel Graphics, which are marked with DP++ indicating so.

I do not have a GPU with DP to test, but this has not been a problem for ages. DP++ is no longer mentioned on products these days, as it is widely implemented to a point that it is unexpected that it doesn't support it. Graphics cards with limited number of DP ports or inability to output HDMI via DisplayPort has more to do with cost cutting than anything (it does add complexity, challenges that should be completely solved these days via integrated solutions, hence why DP++ marking is no longer in use).

 

My old Dell Latitude E6400 from 2008 (Core 2 Duo), which was one of the early laptops with this display connector, had no problem outputting to HDMI. So I am surprised that your Dell desktop doesn't support it. Then again, my laptop was powered by a Nvidia GPU, but I recall Intel model (Intel GPU was in the chipset at the time), did support it as well. So, I guess Dell wanted to save a penny on your desktop? Or you had a faulty cable?

 

1 hour ago, porina said:

I think that is a display choice and not due to the connection method. I've not encountered that with HDMI connected monitors, but it is very much a thing with TVs where content is normally overscanned by default, until you turn it off ideally at display than using scaling tricks to make it fit from source.

What would be purpose to overscan an image?

 

1 hour ago, porina said:

I do have one hate with HDMI: the limited dynamic range option which seems to default on more often than not, resulting in washed out images until the setting is set to full range.

That is because HDMI was designed for TVs, and low cost TVs with shitty panels was kept in mind. HDMI didn't care about PCs.

DisplayPort is the reverse. Its focus is on PCs. Hence why it is not too interested in adding ARC support

[GoodBytes]

1 hour ago, Senzelian said:

Don't wanna wait anymore.

I'm running a 1080 and I desperately need an upgrade. So it's 10GB or 20GB 3080 now and I'm not sure if waiting for the 20GB version will be worth it. 

1080?! I have a 680! You can live with what you have longer.

[spartaman64]

4 minutes ago, Parideboy said:

Don't know about the 3080... The horsepower will definetly be there, we'll need to see the drivers. That will be too good to be true.

It's likely a 3070 competitor, probably 100$ cheaper.

 

Being more efficient tho, AMD might be able to squeeze more performance out of it.

The waiting is killing me.

there were rumors that big navi is 40-50% faster than 2080 ti