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9 minutes ago, dizmo said:

It'd be real nice if the card actually has performance that matches the RTX 2080Ti, but I think you really need to bring your expectations down.

Pretty much the whole event kept commenting on RTX improvements. I'm willing to bet that it has 2080Ti RTX performance, not overall performance.

Used prices won't drop to the bottom.

I'd agree here. I would just be interested to see if they get a massive drop or a smaller one. Guess it depends on how much people are actually gonna value the RTX performance.

                                                     

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2 minutes ago, Nathanpete said:

I feel like they just said 3090 bc what where they going to call it? RTX Titan 3000? RTX Titan 2?

And yeah, maybe AMD can beat the 3090 and team green needs to pull out GA100 from their back pocket. 

 

8 minutes ago, S w a t s o n said:

The new titan can't be much bigger unless they give it a GA100 die.

 

Edit: Looking here https://www.techpowerup.com/gpu-specs/nvidia-ga100.g931 vs https://www.techpowerup.com/gpu-specs/nvidia-ga102.g930

GA100 does not have the doubled fp32 units in GA102/RTX3090 that Nvidia kind of glossed over. GA102 also has more tensor cores. For a gaming workload GA100 would lose I think? Not win by much.

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Just now, HM-2 said:

Have I missed something or is there no mention of NVLink at all?

The 3090 does support NVLink, but the 3080 and 3070 do not.

Next generation after this will probably be NVLink on either Titan or Quadro only, if I had to guess.

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wonder when the 1670, 1680 cards are coming out

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1 minute ago, wall03 said:

wonder when the 1670, 1680 cards are coming out

Never. GTX has been entirely discontinued. 

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Just now, Mateyyy said:

The 3090 does support NVLink, but the 3080 and 3070 do not.

Well that's a pain. But I do somewhat understand it given that the only reason for dual GPU up to this point has been bragging rights.

Shame as I've got loads of PC case space to fill and the 3080 is pretty much the perfect sweet spot. Maybe I'll pick up two second-hand RTX 2080Tis for now as I can't really justify buying three grand's worth of GPUs.

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2 minutes ago, HM-2 said:

Have I missed something or is there no mention of NVLink at all?

There was none, so far only card to support it out of the gaming lineup is the RTX 3090, the 3080 and 3070 don't. Multi GPU is dead for gaming, so it makes sense that the the more workstation level cards will get it, we'll likely see it again on the next gen quadros but as for gaming cards, I doubt anything less than the 3090 is going to get it.

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So, $700 CAD for a 3070 I suppose. (No way they do a proper conversion and limits it at $650)

 

Way out of my budget. Unfortunately. Back to waiting I go.

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8 minutes ago, dizmo said:

Overall a relatively boring launch event, but I wasn't really expecting much.

The green screen effect without a green screen was pretty neat. Not something I'd ever use, and it'll be interesting to see how seamless it is, but neat nonetheless.

Nice to see the prices aren't any higher than last year, and the 3090 is a considerable discount to the Titan RTX. Which makes sense. A price like that will make a far more tempting upgrade to those considering something with more features.

 

 

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It'd be real nice if the card actually has performance that matches the RTX 2080Ti, but I think you really need to bring your expectations down.

Pretty much the whole event kept commenting on RTX improvements. I'm willing to bet that it has 2080Ti RTX performance, not overall performance.

Used prices won't drop to the bottom.

 

Haha, yeah, for the whole 6 people that will use a multi GPU setup in 2020.

Seeing as there's almost 80 million people that play Fortnite, probably at least a few hundred thousand. Seems like it'd be a worthwhile investment.

My question is....who needs so many spatulas?

The 3070 is likely only as fast as a 2080Ti in RTX performance.

You shouldn't let it sting. If you let it affect you like that, you shouldn't buy top tier PC hardware ;) It's to be expected.

No one got screwed. You chose to pay for a premium product, you used the product and got it's levels of performance.

As for resale, if you were worried about it you should have sold it before the launch of the new cards.

Why wouldn't you just sleeve the 12 pin cable? It's not that hard.

I think there will be a 20GB version of the 3080 for board partners only, as a way to give them an edge over the reference design cards.

The 80 Ti will likely come out next year.

Probably had nothing to do with big Navi. The prices were just rumors and guesses.

I don't think that'd be right. It needs more power than that. If they did do that I imagine the cards performance would suffer as a result.

More performance. You'll likely have to wait until next year to find out.

Probably because they don't produce it anymore. They're not like AMD; they don't keep pushing out older stuff.

What were you expecting? They're the same as last years, cheaper than the year before that.

I'll be shocked if AMD releases something comparable, with drivers that don't have issues in the first few months.

I'm confused as to what performance numbers he's referring to. Or did I completely miss useful benchmarks from the event?

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1 minute ago, HM-2 said:

Well that's a pain. But I do somewhat understand it given that the only reason for dual GPU up to this point has been bragging rights.

Shame as I've got loads of PC case space to fill and the 3080 is pretty much the perfect sweet spot. Maybe I'll pick up two second-hand RTX 2080Tis for now as I can't really justify buying three grand's worth of GPUs.

If you're just gaming, getting more than one GPU is a waste of money, multi GPU in gaming is dead. Newer games don't even have multi GPU support anymore.

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12 minutes ago, dizmo said:

What were you expecting? They're the same as last years, cheaper than the year before that.

I'll be shocked if AMD releases something comparable, with drivers that don't have issues in the first few months.

Cheaper? Not really the Ti flagship used to be $800, and AMD doesn't have to release anything comparable all they'd have to do is match the 3070,maybe 3080 on the high end. Even Nvidia has driver issues with new cards.

12 minutes ago, dizmo said:

I'm confused as to what performance numbers he's referring to. Or did I completely miss useful benchmarks from the event?

Well the exaggerated Nvidia graphs with "2x performance at 4k" aren't very useful, I'm waiting for benchmarks and might wait and see if AMD has a decent improvement over Navi.

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to everyone who is wondering what cables you will need , it has been confirmed that it will come with an adapter and it will need 2 8 pin connectors

 

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9 minutes ago, dizmo said:

I'm confused as to what performance numbers he's referring to. Or did I completely miss useful benchmarks from the event?

They showed some performance numbers during the event but even more importantly, Digital Foundry has released a video.

Seems like the 3080 performs ~70-100% better than the 2080. That's both in games that use RTX, and in games that don't use RTX.

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5 minutes ago, Nathanpete said:

Never. GTX has been entirely discontinued. 

so 2650?

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8 minutes ago, Tedny said:

Digital Foundry got hand on hardware already 

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Tell me he's not testing on Intel, without PCI Gen 4...

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12 minutes ago, dizmo said:

Haha, yeah, for the whole 6 people that will use a multi GPU setup in 2020

did that include me? because it's 7 if you didnt

 

though the 3090 really doesn't look like a good value, might step down and grab lower tier cards

-sigh- feeling like I'm being too negative lately

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Just now, wall03 said:

so 2650?

No. That naming makes no fucking sense. It was the 10 series, 16 series, 20 series, and now Nvidia is only making the 30 series. Maybe 3060 will be revealed later to take on something like the rumored 6500XT. 

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3 minutes ago, Parideboy said:

Tell me he's not testing on Intel, without PCI Gen 4...

The 3080 apparently performs 100% better than a 2080, guess its wait and see for in depth testing if pci-e 3.0 is any limitation.

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9 minutes ago, dizmo said:

The 3070 is likely only as fast as a 2080Ti in RTX performance.

You shouldn't let it sting. If you let it affect you like that, you shouldn't buy top tier PC hardware ;) It's to be expected.

No one got screwed. You chose to pay for a premium product, you used the product and got it's levels of performance.

As for resale, if you were worried about it you should have sold it before the launch of the new cards.

Why wouldn't you just sleeve the 12 pin cable? It's not that hard.

That's what I figured after looking into it a bit more, it appears to be Ray Tracing performance being compared between the cards not overall perfomance. I expected it to be cheaper but not by that much, I've gotten a lot of use out of my 2080ti, I never said anyone was screwed over. As for resale, I didn't think the prices were going to drop that much hence why I didn't sell my 2080ti, also I plan on using this card for as long as possible. Depending on actual real world performance of the 3080 or 3080ti when that is announced I may reconsider, but with DLSS 2.0 and it's improvements the 2080ti is still a banging card to have. Also the specs released for the cards available have confirmed the 12pin cable was scrapped, the 3080 and 3090 use 2x 8pin pcie cables.

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3 minutes ago, TetraSky said:

So, $700 CAD for a 3070 I suppose. (No way they do a proper conversion and limits it at $650)

 

Way out of my budget. Unfortunately. Back to waiting I go.

They'll probably do a proper conversion. However, I don't expect it at release.... there is a lots of hype, and retailers and/or GPU manufacture would want to take advantage of this hype. Or, those would be the base models from manufactures, they'll be sold out due to limited productions, and all you'll have left are the premium overpriced models to get that Super Duper OC model with its "50MHz" or whatever model.

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5 minutes ago, Parideboy said:

Tell me he's not testing on Intel, without PCI Gen 4...

would that even make much of a difference since pcie 2.0 is only just starting to bottleneck high end cards currently

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9 minutes ago, dizmo said:

It'd be real nice if the card actually has performance that matches the RTX 2080Ti, but I think you really need to bring your expectations down.
 

Pretty much the whole event kept commenting on RTX improvements. I'm willing to bet that it has 2080Ti RTX performance, not overall performance.

Used prices won't drop to the bottom.

I disagree.

 

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They showed this slide before they started talking about RTX performance for the 3000 series(and the footnote states average performance at 4k).

 

I'm going to be optimistic here and say that the 3070 does match the 2080ti, without including RTX.

 

Of course wait for benchmarks and all, but even if this isn't the case and the 3080 is more in-line with the 2080ti performance, then the 2080ti's price still drops dramatically to $500-$600 or so, because again, why buy a used GPU when a brand new one with the same or better performance can be had for not much more?

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1 minute ago, Blademaster91 said:

The 3080 apparently performs 2x better than a 2080, guess its wait and see for in depth testing if pci-e 3.0 is any limitation.

I believe the performance comparisons shown in the presentation between the cards is Ray Tracing performance not actual raw performance in non RTX tasks.

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15 minutes ago, wall03 said:

about the pin connects (maybe this wa said already)

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Yeah, with the adapter.

Photos clearly show the 12pin connector. 

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