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On 8/19/2020 at 5:47 AM, zeusthemoose said:

Schools are not going to like this

Most schools have any app install disabled by admins so I don't see this as a problem.  If they don't I guess they will soon.

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2 minutes ago, Kroon said:

Most schools have any app install disabled by admins so I don't see this as a problem.  If they don't I guess they will soon.

Yes except kids are clever and it's a huge cat and mouse game. The students are going to do what they want and will find ways around their security measures in place. The school doesn't really care because liability wise they are covered 

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3 hours ago, BuckGup said:

Yes except kids are clever and it's a huge cat and mouse game. The students are going to do what they want and will find ways around their security measures in place. The school doesn't really care because liability wise they are covered 

 

Have you even seen the administration tools for Chromium/Chrome OS?  As administrator you can see live what's installed on every single computer in tree.  If you somehow missed to block any software it's easy to remote uninstall.  Googles administration tool are really good and you cant install anything without the admins approval.  The block is on execution level with CRC, any file with the wrong CRC that try to execute are instantly deleted.  This one of the reasons why schools really like Chromebooks. 

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1 hour ago, Kroon said:

 

Have you even seen the administration tools for Chromium/Chrome OS?  As administrator you can see live what's installed on every single computer in tree.  If you somehow missed to block any software it's easy to remote uninstall.  Googles administration tool are really good and you cant install anything without the admins approval.  The block is on execution level with CRC, any file with the wrong CRC that try to execute are instantly deleted.  This one of the reasons why schools really like Chromebooks. 

Yes except most chromebooks have ways to unenroll them. I have yet to find a chromebook that you can't bypass the security on it. Now most have M.2 drives which makes it even easier. You can download chromeOS to a new drive and swap them out. Then at the end of the year when you hand it back in you can just swap back the original drive so they can't tell. If someone looks into it you just play dumb and act like you have no idea what they are talking about. 

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2 minutes ago, BuckGup said:

Yes except most chromebooks have ways to unenroll them. I have yet to find a chromebook that you can't bypass the security on it.

Except same second you try to access school network it will role back to previous install according to rules set by the administrator.

 

3 minutes ago, BuckGup said:

Now most have M.2 drives which makes it even easier. You can download chromeOS to a new drive and swap them out. Then at the end of the year when you hand it back in you can just swap back the original drive so they can't tell.

 

Except again, as soon at the MAC address show up on the network and have the wrong version installed it will revert. If you hard lock your version of the OS you wont get access to the network. So yes you can have two disks one you use home and then swap when you go to school but that is hardly something the school would care about.

 

The only way to actually unlock your computer so you can install what you want is to figure out the root password and activate the developer mode.  But even then you risk ge get caught are high once you login to the network.

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1 minute ago, Kroon said:

Except same second you try to access school network it will role back to previous install according to rules set by the administrator.

 

 

Except again, as soon at the MAC address show up on the network and have the wrong version installed it will revert. If you hard lock your version of the OS you wont get access to the network. So yes you can have two disks one you use home and then swap when you go to school but that is hardly something the school would care about.

 

The only way to actually unlock your computer so you can install what you want is to figure out the root password and activate the developer mode.  But even then you risk ge get caught are high once you login to the network.

I haven't heard of any schools going to those levels of security measures but I suppose it's entirely possible. I haven't had any experience but I assure you someone has found a way around it. One solution is to install a keylogger or use social engineering to get a teachers network login which then will probably have relaxed rules. Depending on if they whitelist mac addresses there are ways you can spoof it or potentially use arp requests to authenticate it on the network if it was banned

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Just now, BuckGup said:

I haven't heard of any schools going to those levels of security measures but I suppose it's entirely possible.

 

That is the standard Google networks tools for Chrome that are free for schools, enterprises have to pay.  The schools in my aria uses that with good cusses. 

4 minutes ago, BuckGup said:

One solution is to install a keylogger or use social engineering to get a teachers network login which then will probably have relaxed rules.

 

Again you cannot install ANY app that isn't on the allowed list and I doubt that admin would put a keylogger on the list.  No teacher get root access, they get a type of admin account but not root.  Yes that admin account might have less relaxed rules but again the MAC address is tied to student computer so it would not help.

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This is a stupid move on Nvidia's part.

 

Schools will just block it outright, like they do with EVERYTHING even remotely gaming related.

 

So it will barely see any percentage of use by the chromebook ecosystem, the majority of which is schools as far as I am aware.

 

Nevermind that chromebooks used by schools have specs so terrible that they can hardly play any games to begin with.

 

52 minutes ago, BuckGup said:

I haven't heard of any schools going to those levels of security measures but I suppose it's entirely possible. I haven't had any experience but I assure you someone has found a way around it. One solution is to install a keylogger or use social engineering to get a teachers network login which then will probably have relaxed rules. Depending on if they whitelist mac addresses there are ways you can spoof it or potentially use arp requests to authenticate it on the network if it was banned

I work for a company that does deployments on the tens of thousands of devices scale, for schools. (at least 7 different school systems that I am aware of)

 

I've yet to encounter an enrolled chromebook that will even let you visit pcgamer.com, let alone actually access a game.

 

For fucks sake, they have the dino jump built into chrome locked out. And most of them have developer mode disabled. Only way to unlock it is to unenroll it, which only the school admin can do via the admin console. Which even we do not have access to.

 

Once it has been enrolled, that device is locked the hell down. Even if you dev wipe it (or factory reset, call it what you want) the moment it connects to any network it automatically re-enrolls itself and becomes a useless paperweight.

 

All of them use on-board storage. there is no drive to change out, if you were thinking of dual booting or something.

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1 hour ago, Trik'Stari said:

This is a stupid move on Nvidia's part.

 

Schools will just block it outright, like they do with EVERYTHING even remotely gaming related.

 

So it will barely see any percentage of use by the chromebook ecosystem, the majority of which is schools as far as I am aware.

 

Nevermind that chromebooks used by schools have specs so terrible that they can hardly play any games to begin with.

 

I work for a company that does deployments on the tens of thousands of devices scale, for schools. (at least 7 different school systems that I am aware of)

 

I've yet to encounter an enrolled chromebook that will even let you visit pcgamer.com, let alone actually access a game.

 

For fucks sake, they have the dino jump built into chrome locked out. And most of them have developer mode disabled. Only way to unlock it is to unenroll it, which only the school admin can do via the admin console. Which even we do not have access to.

 

Once it has been enrolled, that device is locked the hell down. Even if you dev wipe it (or factory reset, call it what you want) the moment it connects to any network it automatically re-enrolls itself and becomes a useless paperweight.

 

All of them use on-board storage. there is no drive to change out, if you were thinking of dual booting or something.

The specs shouldn't matter at all. Chromebooks from 2016 can play minecraft on Xubuntu and more importantly they can watch 1080p youtube videos without dropping frames. Many chromebooks have a TPM like you mentioned but they also have BIOS lock screws that allow you to clear it or modify it. If it's enrolled it won't allow you to swap drives but if you unscrew the screw it allows you to make hardware modifications and unenroll the devices and essentially clear the TPM. Otherwise some chromebooks you can take the battery out and wait 15 minutes and it will clear any enrollment on it.

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On 9/21/2020 at 8:41 PM, Jet_ski said:

sar·casm   /ˈsärˌkazəm/

noun

the use of irony to mock or convey contempt.

Yea you should know by now sarcasm does not translate well through text. Particularly in the News Topic sub-forum where discussions can get heated quick. If it was Off-topic, that'll be a different story. 

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1 hour ago, BuckGup said:

The specs shouldn't matter at all. Chromebooks from 2016 can play minecraft on Xubuntu and more importantly they can watch 1080p youtube videos without dropping frames. Many chromebooks have a TPM like you mentioned but they also have BIOS lock screws that allow you to clear it or modify it. If it's enrolled it won't allow you to swap drives but if you unscrew the screw it allows you to make hardware modifications and unenroll the devices and essentially clear the TPM. Otherwise some chromebooks you can take the battery out and wait 15 minutes and it will clear any enrollment on it.

Not in any way we've ever been able to do. Although we don't actively look for a way to do so, for some stupid reason.

Ketchup is better than mustard.

GUI is better than Command Line Interface.

Dubs are better than subs

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3 hours ago, Trik'Stari said:

Not in any way we've ever been able to do. Although we don't actively look for a way to do so, for some stupid reason.

See that’s the issue. Students are like a caged animal. They are clever, determined, and not going to stop trying new things. That’s why I find school security pointless as it damages learning and promotes malicious behavior. To be fair though it taught me a lot about cyber security and networking finding ways around school security 

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3 hours ago, BuckGup said:

See that’s the issue. Students are like a caged animal. They are clever, determined, and not going to stop trying new things. That’s why I find school security pointless as it damages learning and promotes malicious behavior. To be fair though it taught me a lot about cyber security and networking finding ways around school security 

I think chromebooks in general are a bad idea. The kids are learning a computing environment that doesn't really exist outside of academia. What happens when they get a job and can't use Windows?

 

It's like Apple, in that it's so "easy" to use that you don't learn as much as you should. What makes it more dangerous is that it's cheap.

Ketchup is better than mustard.

GUI is better than Command Line Interface.

Dubs are better than subs

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5 hours ago, Trik'Stari said:

I think chromebooks in general are a bad idea. The kids are learning a computing environment that doesn't really exist outside of academia. What happens when they get a job and can't use Windows?

 

It's like Apple, in that it's so "easy" to use that you don't learn as much as you should. What makes it more dangerous is that it's cheap.

I disagree. Computers are great learning tools and are just part of a changing world. Students aren't dumb either. They can easily figure out new apps and operating systems.

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8 hours ago, BuckGup said:

I disagree. Computers are great learning tools and are just part of a changing world. Students aren't dumb either. They can easily figure out new apps and operating systems.

We get a lot of college temps.

 

Most of them either can't, or just don't care enough to do what is asked of them, and demonstrated multiple times.

 

I mean like "put the asset tag in this exact spot and only this spot. Use this little template if you need to" is too hard for some of them.

Ketchup is better than mustard.

GUI is better than Command Line Interface.

Dubs are better than subs

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Unless things have changed since I used the service, which I don’t suspect they have, unless you’re paying for GeForce Now....you can’t actually use it even though it has a “free” tier. If you have an hour to kill and your fire up GeForce now, you’ll be waiting in line for that whole hour. 

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6 minutes ago, DrMacintosh said:

If you have an hour to kill and your fire up GeForce now, you’ll be waiting in line for that whole hour

That's not true. I used GeForce now for my primary way to play games for about 3 months. It took about 5 mins maximum to get a rig. Usually, there was a open one ready.

I could use some help with this!

please, pm me if you would like to contribute to my gpu bios database (includes overclocking bios, stock bios, and upgrades to gpus via modding)

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prior build:

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7 minutes ago, PacketMan said:

he kids will need an adult to pay for the subscription, right?

It has a free teir (one hoir at a time and no rtx), and you don't need to link a card for it.

I could use some help with this!

please, pm me if you would like to contribute to my gpu bios database (includes overclocking bios, stock bios, and upgrades to gpus via modding)

Bios database

My beautiful, but not that powerful, main PC:

prior build:

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1 hour ago, HelpfulTechWizard said:

That's not true. I used GeForce now for my primary way to play games for about 3 months. It took about 5 mins maximum to get a rig. Usually, there was a open one ready.

Well you can't really deny my personal experience, because unbelievably long queue times have been my experience with the service. 

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9 minutes ago, DrMacintosh said:

Well you can't really deny my personal experience, because unbelievably long queue times have been my experience with the service. 

Huh, for the Chicago area servers (where the servers are located for me, I guess the service is less popular.

I could use some help with this!

please, pm me if you would like to contribute to my gpu bios database (includes overclocking bios, stock bios, and upgrades to gpus via modding)

Bios database

My beautiful, but not that powerful, main PC:

prior build:

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35 minutes ago, HelpfulTechWizard said:

Huh, for the Chicago area servers (where the servers are located for me, I guess the service is less popular.

Can also be partly based on when I try to use GeForce Now. Regardless, you have to pay if you want to be able to use the service reliably and as intended IMO. 

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4 hours ago, Trik'Stari said:

We get a lot of college temps.

 

Most of them either can't, or just don't care enough to do what is asked of them, and demonstrated multiple times.

 

I mean like "put the asset tag in this exact spot and only this spot. Use this little template if you need to" is too hard for some of them.

Well I mean that's what you get with jobs no one really wants to do that aren't engaging whatsoever. I personally wouldn't care a lot if I was being paid minimum wage to put asset tags on things.

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9 hours ago, PacketMan said:

why the hell is there data caps in the US? I thought they got rid of it like 10 years ago...

 

About GeForce being compatible with Chromebooks, I don't really care, there are really low tier laptops able to run Windows 10 and any Linux distro, Chuwi has some nice laptop for around 300€ and the chromebooks in Spain are normally priced between 300 and 500, with shit tier components (including 720p displays, 32/64GB memory, N4000 CPU, 4GB RAM...) so... even tho it's a nice touch I don't see it as anything bad for the students, obviously the chromebooks will be locked and, if not, the kids will need an adult to pay for the subscription, right?

 

Australia has shitloads of data caps still...

"We also blind small animals with cosmetics.
We do not sell cosmetics. We just blind animals."

 

"Please don't mistake us for Equifax. Those fuckers are evil"

 

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