Ice Lake Frozen (Pun Intended) - Ice Lake CPUs feature a system-crashing bug.

[5x5]

Well, in case anyone is surprised at bugs in Intel CPUs anymore, here's

 

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However, it seems like Intel is encountering some problems with even the latest Ice Lake CPUs when it comes to system bugs. JetBrains, a Czech provider of software development tools has a Java programming language development environment called IntelliJ integrated development environment. It was recently reported that on MacBook Air 2020 and Microsoft Surface Pro models equipped with 10th generation Intel Ice Lake CPUs, IntelliJ IDE causes system restart or a complete OS crash. In the report, the CPU ran in a Linux VM that isolates itself from MacOS so the macOS XNU kernel is not to blame. In the report thread, another user running Windows on Microsoft Surface Pro experienced the crash as well.

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Thanks to community testing, we have found out that these issues are not just a software bug, however, it is a rather CPU specific bug that only occurs on Intel Ice Lake processors.

Source: https://www.techpowerup.com/268479/intel-ice-lake-cpus-have-a-system-crashing-bug

 

Thoughts you ask? I'm afraid what bug Fire Lake will have at this point

[Fasauceome]

2 minutes ago, 5x5 said:

Thoughts you ask? I'm afraid what bug Fire Lake will have at this point

I mean, excess thermals have been a mainstay on Intel CPUs for some time now, so IDK what the worry is

[Tristerin]

2 minutes ago, 5x5 said:

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Fire Lake...

 

You make that up or is that the next generation already announced?  If so, and its another refresh...its aptly named either way.

[5x5]

Just now, Tristerin said:

Fire Lake...

 

You make that up or is that the next generation already announced?  If so, and its another refresh...its aptly named either way.

That was my play on words

[5x5]

2 minutes ago, Fasauceome said:

I mean, excess thermals have been a mainstay on Intel CPUs for some time now, so IDK what the worry is

Heat is one thing, casting fireball is something I'd expect from a level 3 mage, not a CPU

[Fasauceome]

9 minutes ago, 5x5 said:

Heat is one thing, casting fireball is something I'd expect from a level 3 mage, not a CPU

maybe Intel is going with a "crash and burn" naming scheme

 

comet lake

 

meteor lake

 

asteroid lake

 

extinction event lake

 

Intel, are you ok?

[5x5]

1 minute ago, Fasauceome said:

maybe Intel is going with a "crash and burn" naming scheme

 

comet lake

 

meteor lake

 

asteroid lake

 

extinction event lake

 

Intel, are you ok?

Well, I guess that makes sense - Ice Lake would be shorthand for Ice Age Lake probably caused by Nuclear War Lake

[Drama Lama]

1 minute ago, Fasauceome said:

maybe Intel is going with a "crash and burn" naming scheme

 

comet lake

 

meteor lake

 

asteroid lake

 

extinction event lake

 

Intel, are you ok?

Yeah but they have Rocket Lake and I’m sure they’re developing Bruce Willis Lake 

[Sauron]

This can probably be worked around with a microcode update

[straight_stewie]

That article is useless. It claims that there's some problem but doesn't actually say what it is or provide any real information whatsoever. It doesn't even provide any first party sources or any evidence that there is even actually a problem.

If you're going to disclose a silicon bug, do it right and ******* disclose it, and then STFU until it's time to responsibly reveal it. Don't pussyfoot around the issue trying to hurt people for a meme.

[Jotoco]

1 hour ago, 5x5 said:

Heat is one thing, casting fireball is something I'd expect from a level 3 mage, not a CPU

What did you expect using bat guano as thermal paste?

[Kisai]

4 hours ago, straight_stewie said:

That article is useless. It claims that there's some problem but doesn't actually say what it is or provide any real information whatsoever. It doesn't even provide any first party sources are any evidence that there is even actually a problem.

If you're going to disclose a silicon bug, do it right and ******* disclose it, and then STFU until it's time to responsibly reveal it. Don't pussyfoot around the issue trying to hurt people for a meme.

Maybe because they don't know what the bug is and it only happens on that specific cpu when everything else is the same. It's like discovering the FDIV bug on the P90, people didn't notice it unless they were running software that made use if it, and the result was the chip had to be recalled. 

 

For what it's worth, JetBrains belongs to the reverse-engineering group of software, and if they say it's a bug, it's very likely they know what is causing it. It's not some rando company going "I divided by zero and got 42"

[mr moose]

Question 3

 

When product A has issues with product B,  we can:

 

A, conclude product A has a fault

B, conclude product B has a fault

C, conclude a problem exists but the fault is unkown

D, write an article blaming someone and earn some money

[ARikozuM]

3 minutes ago, mr moose said:

Question 3

 

When product A has issues with product B,  we can:

 

A, conclude product A has a fault

B, conclude product B has a fault

C, conclude a problem exists but the fault is unkown

D, write an article blaming someone and earn some money

Which is why I think all faults should be public knowledge and aggregated to one location. 

[StDragon]

8 hours ago, 5x5 said:

Heat is one thing, casting fireball is something I'd expect from a level 3 mage, not a CPU

To have something nuclear hot and resist meltdown into a puddle of slag should command respect for the engineers.

[StDragon]

2 hours ago, Kisai said:

It's not some rando company going "I divided by zero and got 42"

I'm pretty sure that if you actually divided by zero and got 42, it must have been the result of a higher order of creation. Just sayin.

[DildorTheDecent]

lmao

 

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[hishnash]

3 hours ago, Kisai said:

JetBrains belongs to the reverse-engineering group of software,

It doe snot JetBrains is a software company that makes developer tools they do not however make any  reverse-engineering tools, they also created the Kotlin lang now used for Android development world wide.

 

They made some of the best IDEs on the market.

this is very bad for Intel if they cant fix this on the server chips! you cant have a server chip in the modern cloud env if a VM running on this chip can force the entier server too restart.

[straight_stewie]

5 hours ago, Kisai said:

For what it's worth, JetBrains belongs to the reverse-engineering group of software, and if they say it's a bug, it's very likely they know what is causing it. It's not some rando company going "I divided by zero and got 42"

I didn't see anything that showed an official report or statement from JetBrains. Just a very short article that alleges that it references some obscure thread that the author fails to link to, and no mention of whether that thread or the discoveries therein where official, or even officially acknowledged.

[porina]

I did a quick search, following may be the relevant thread for this unexpected behaviour.

 

https://youtrack.jetbrains.com/issue/JBR-2310

 

In a skim of that thread, one of the posters concludes it is a CPU problem, since it can happen inside/outside of a VM, and that this could be big because not just the VM crashes, but the host does. An account appearing to be Intel says words to the effect they're looking at it. There is some noise in the thread, some others seem to be claiming they suffer this not on Ice Lake, but I've not dug any deeper.

 

We'll just have to wait and see what comes of this.

[Kisai]

15 hours ago, hishnash said:

It doe snot JetBrains is a software company that makes developer tools they do not however make any  reverse-engineering tools, they also created the Kotlin lang now used for Android development world wide.

 

They made some of the best IDEs on the market.

this is very bad for Intel if they cant fix this on the server chips! you cant have a server chip in the modern cloud env if a VM running on this chip can force the entier server too restart.

They literately make decompilers.

[CarlBar]

19 hours ago, StDragon said:

I'm pretty sure that if you actually divided by zero and got 42, it must have been the result of a higher order of creation. Just sayin.

 

ANyone want to bet that there's some legitimate branch of mathematics out there that would make divide by zero produce whatever output you wanted, (including 42).

[straight_stewie]

26 minutes ago, CarlBar said:

ANyone want to bet that there's some legitimate branch of mathematics out there that would make divide by zero produce whatever output you wanted, (including 42).

Yeah. That branch is called "arithmetic".

Math is largely a creation of the mind, a tool that we use to help us understand things. 

Anything can be arbitrarily defined as anything, as long as the system it's defined in is consistent and works for all cases for which the system is applicable.

 

As some commonly known examples:

• DEADBEEF = 3,735,928,559
• 345*+ = 4*5+3

[hishnash]

7 hours ago, Kisai said:

They literately make decompilers.

No they make compilers (for Kotlin only), and debuggers (for kotlin), everything else they are just a nice (very nice) UI that wrapps that regulare system/platform compilers/debuggers.

 

The only `decompiler` they make is the `.Net` one and that is just a UI the provide that uses the system provided .Net decompiler.

[StDragon]

4 hours ago, CarlBar said:

 

ANyone want to bet that there's some legitimate branch of mathematics out there that would make divide by zero produce whatever output you wanted, (including 42).

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