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s it worth the swap from the Sapphire RX580 to the MSI gtx 1660?

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I recently built my new SFFPC gaming rig in the Fractal Node 202, in this orignal build, i tried to shoot for price and performance.

 

Graphics card wise, I thought I would save some money and use the "Sapphire Pulse Radeon RX 580 8G GDDR5"

 

Now, the issue is it runs HOT and LOUD in this case. I do have a noctua slim fan pushing extra air into the case, but under and gaming load is runs very hot and annoyingly loud (never used an AMD card before so didnt anticipate). So, heres the question. Do i keep the card and accept it will be loud and hot? Or, should I invest into a better card? Here, i was thinking if its worth to swap to the MSI gaming X gtx 1660 6gb. I play 1080p anyway, so the loss of 2GB of  VRAM is fine with me. I know the MSI coolers are premium, so is it worth the swap from the Sapphire RX580 to the MSI gtx 1660?

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2 minutes ago, owencrispy said:

Here, i was thinking if its worth to swap to the MSI gaming X gtx 1660 6gb. I play 1080p anyway, so the loss of 2GB of  VRAM is fine with me. I know the MSI coolers are premium, so is it worth the swap from the Sapphire RX580 to the MSI gtx 1660?

if your not returning the 580 then no dont pay for a new gpu

but if you are the difference in performance between them is very minimal but i recommend getting the 1650 super 

it consumes less power 

has a better frame buffer 

less vram true but it is cheaper

either the 1650 super or the 1660 super dont get the 1660  

 

PC: Motherboard: ASUS B550M TUF-Plus, CPU: Ryzen 3 3100, CPU Cooler: Arctic Freezer 34, GPU: GIGABYTE WindForce GTX1650S, RAM: HyperX Fury RGB 2x8GB 3200 CL16, Case, CoolerMaster MB311L ARGB, Boot Drive: 250GB MX500, Game Drive: WD Blue 1TB 7200RPM HDD.

 

Peripherals: GK61 (Optical Gateron Red) with Mistel White/Orange keycaps, Logitech G102 (Purple), BitWit Ensemble Grey Deskpad. 

 

Audio: Logitech G432, Moondrop Starfield, Mic: Razer Siren Mini (White).

 

Phone: Pixel 3a (Purple-ish).

 

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2 minutes ago, TofuHaroto said:

if your not returning the 580 then no dont pay for a new gpu

but if you are the difference in performance between them is very minimal but i recommend getting the 1650 super 

it consumes less power 

has a better frame buffer 

less vram true but it is cheaper

either the 1650 super or the 1660 super dont get the 1660  

 

1650 super is the same price as rx 580

yes it consumes less power but it is little slower, meanign that rx 580 is faster card.

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Motherboard tier list. Tier A for overclocking 5950x. Tier B for overclocking 5900x, Tier C for overclocking 5800X. Tier D for overclocking 5600X. Tier F for 4/6 core Cpus at stock. Tier E avoid.

(Also case airflow matter or if you are using Downcraft air cooler)

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3 minutes ago, TofuHaroto said:

if your not returning the 580 then no dont pay for a new gpu

but if you are the difference in performance between them is very minimal but i recommend getting the 1650 super 

it consumes less power 

has a better frame buffer 

less vram true but it is cheaper

either the 1650 super or the 1660 super dont get the 1660  

 

Yes, i will be returning the rx580.

 

My thinking behind was do i pay the same amount (or even less) for the 1650, or shell out the extra £70~ for the 1660?

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Just now, SavageNeo said:

yes it consumes less power but it is little slower, meanign that rx 580 is faster card.

true but it is barely slower they are very close to each other 

the only thing thats bad about it is probably the frame buffer 

now that i think about it a 5500xt would be also good 

PC: Motherboard: ASUS B550M TUF-Plus, CPU: Ryzen 3 3100, CPU Cooler: Arctic Freezer 34, GPU: GIGABYTE WindForce GTX1650S, RAM: HyperX Fury RGB 2x8GB 3200 CL16, Case, CoolerMaster MB311L ARGB, Boot Drive: 250GB MX500, Game Drive: WD Blue 1TB 7200RPM HDD.

 

Peripherals: GK61 (Optical Gateron Red) with Mistel White/Orange keycaps, Logitech G102 (Purple), BitWit Ensemble Grey Deskpad. 

 

Audio: Logitech G432, Moondrop Starfield, Mic: Razer Siren Mini (White).

 

Phone: Pixel 3a (Purple-ish).

 

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1 minute ago, SavageNeo said:

1650 super is the same price as rx 580

yes it consumes less power but it is little slower, meanign that rx 580 is faster card.

how much difference? My main games are Rust and Apex Legends anyway and the 580 eats those for breakfast. Would it be worth the small sacrifice in performance for the card that runs alot quieter and cooler?

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Just now, owencrispy said:

Yes, i will be returning the rx580.

 

My thinking behind was do i pay the same amount (or even less) for the 1650, or shell out the extra £70~ for the 1660?

what about the 5500xt ? 

PC: Motherboard: ASUS B550M TUF-Plus, CPU: Ryzen 3 3100, CPU Cooler: Arctic Freezer 34, GPU: GIGABYTE WindForce GTX1650S, RAM: HyperX Fury RGB 2x8GB 3200 CL16, Case, CoolerMaster MB311L ARGB, Boot Drive: 250GB MX500, Game Drive: WD Blue 1TB 7200RPM HDD.

 

Peripherals: GK61 (Optical Gateron Red) with Mistel White/Orange keycaps, Logitech G102 (Purple), BitWit Ensemble Grey Deskpad. 

 

Audio: Logitech G432, Moondrop Starfield, Mic: Razer Siren Mini (White).

 

Phone: Pixel 3a (Purple-ish).

 

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3 minutes ago, TofuHaroto said:

what about the 5500xt ? 

does it run cooler and quieter?

 

I mena, i even considered going back to the 1060. Used to own the msi gaming x version and it was pretty much silent

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Your issue lies within your airflow, not in the GPU. Sapphire coolers are among the best on the market, and my Sapphire 290x has never been loud or hot despite consuming more power than your RX 580. Check out this video if you haven't already:

 

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Just now, owencrispy said:

does it run cooler and quieter?

 

I mena, i even considered going back to the 1060. Used to own the msi gaming x version and it was pretty much silent

for the most part the 5500xt does run cooler and consumes less power 

PC: Motherboard: ASUS B550M TUF-Plus, CPU: Ryzen 3 3100, CPU Cooler: Arctic Freezer 34, GPU: GIGABYTE WindForce GTX1650S, RAM: HyperX Fury RGB 2x8GB 3200 CL16, Case, CoolerMaster MB311L ARGB, Boot Drive: 250GB MX500, Game Drive: WD Blue 1TB 7200RPM HDD.

 

Peripherals: GK61 (Optical Gateron Red) with Mistel White/Orange keycaps, Logitech G102 (Purple), BitWit Ensemble Grey Deskpad. 

 

Audio: Logitech G432, Moondrop Starfield, Mic: Razer Siren Mini (White).

 

Phone: Pixel 3a (Purple-ish).

 

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I would go rx 5500xt 8gb if you decide to change.  sapphire one would be my favorite.

 

How hot does your card get ?  

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Just now, TofuHaroto said:

for the most part the 5500xt does run cooler and consumes less power 

£320, out of budget.

 

I can get the gaming X 1660 for £250, or the 1650 for £180

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Just now, Dr0y said:

I would go rx 5500xt 8gb if you decide to change.  sapphire one would be my favorite.

 

How hot does your card get ?  

like 80 degrees (celcius) and its so damn loud.

 

Hot is expected in a case this size (node 202) but its so loud

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Just now, owencrispy said:

£320, out of budget

WHAT WHY IS IT SO EXPENSIVE 

 

Just now, owencrispy said:

can get the gaming X 1660 for £250, or the 1650 for £180

1650 ?! non super ? 

then just get the 1660 

PC: Motherboard: ASUS B550M TUF-Plus, CPU: Ryzen 3 3100, CPU Cooler: Arctic Freezer 34, GPU: GIGABYTE WindForce GTX1650S, RAM: HyperX Fury RGB 2x8GB 3200 CL16, Case, CoolerMaster MB311L ARGB, Boot Drive: 250GB MX500, Game Drive: WD Blue 1TB 7200RPM HDD.

 

Peripherals: GK61 (Optical Gateron Red) with Mistel White/Orange keycaps, Logitech G102 (Purple), BitWit Ensemble Grey Deskpad. 

 

Audio: Logitech G432, Moondrop Starfield, Mic: Razer Siren Mini (White).

 

Phone: Pixel 3a (Purple-ish).

 

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Just now, owencrispy said:

like 80 degrees (celcius) and its so damn loud.

 

Hot is expected in a case this size (node 202) but its so loud

have you tried setting a fan curve ?

PC: Motherboard: ASUS B550M TUF-Plus, CPU: Ryzen 3 3100, CPU Cooler: Arctic Freezer 34, GPU: GIGABYTE WindForce GTX1650S, RAM: HyperX Fury RGB 2x8GB 3200 CL16, Case, CoolerMaster MB311L ARGB, Boot Drive: 250GB MX500, Game Drive: WD Blue 1TB 7200RPM HDD.

 

Peripherals: GK61 (Optical Gateron Red) with Mistel White/Orange keycaps, Logitech G102 (Purple), BitWit Ensemble Grey Deskpad. 

 

Audio: Logitech G432, Moondrop Starfield, Mic: Razer Siren Mini (White).

 

Phone: Pixel 3a (Purple-ish).

 

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1 minute ago, owencrispy said:

£320, out of budget.

 

I can get the gaming X 1660 for £250, or the 1650 for £180

actually ignore this, i was searcing for the 5700 (sorry). 5500xt (msi version) is £209

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Just now, owencrispy said:

5500xt (msi version) is £209

still really damn expensive holy 

PC: Motherboard: ASUS B550M TUF-Plus, CPU: Ryzen 3 3100, CPU Cooler: Arctic Freezer 34, GPU: GIGABYTE WindForce GTX1650S, RAM: HyperX Fury RGB 2x8GB 3200 CL16, Case, CoolerMaster MB311L ARGB, Boot Drive: 250GB MX500, Game Drive: WD Blue 1TB 7200RPM HDD.

 

Peripherals: GK61 (Optical Gateron Red) with Mistel White/Orange keycaps, Logitech G102 (Purple), BitWit Ensemble Grey Deskpad. 

 

Audio: Logitech G432, Moondrop Starfield, Mic: Razer Siren Mini (White).

 

Phone: Pixel 3a (Purple-ish).

 

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Just now, TofuHaroto said:

have you tried setting a fan curve ?

yes, also have tried setting the fan curve and to no avail. This card runs loud

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what does your fan curve looks like ?

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MSI Z490 Tomahawk

Fractal Design Ion+ 860W platinum

Arctic Liquid Freezer II, 360mm

WB Black SN750 NVMe ssd

TeamGroup L5 3D Lite 1 Tb sata SSD

 

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Just now, TofuHaroto said:

still really damn expensive holy 

So heres the list of potential:

 

MSI gaming x 1650 4GB GDDR 6: £170

MSI Gaming X 1660 6GB GDDR 5: £250

MSI Gaming X 5500XT: £209

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Just now, owencrispy said:

MSI gaming x 1650 4GB GDDR 6: £170

if you mean the non super dont considerit 

 

Just now, owencrispy said:

MSI Gaming X 5500XT: £209

this is the best option 

PC: Motherboard: ASUS B550M TUF-Plus, CPU: Ryzen 3 3100, CPU Cooler: Arctic Freezer 34, GPU: GIGABYTE WindForce GTX1650S, RAM: HyperX Fury RGB 2x8GB 3200 CL16, Case, CoolerMaster MB311L ARGB, Boot Drive: 250GB MX500, Game Drive: WD Blue 1TB 7200RPM HDD.

 

Peripherals: GK61 (Optical Gateron Red) with Mistel White/Orange keycaps, Logitech G102 (Purple), BitWit Ensemble Grey Deskpad. 

 

Audio: Logitech G432, Moondrop Starfield, Mic: Razer Siren Mini (White).

 

Phone: Pixel 3a (Purple-ish).

 

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1 minute ago, Dr0y said:

what does your fan curve looks like ?

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2 minutes ago, TofuHaroto said:

if you mean the non super dont considerit 

 

this is the best option 

So, the MSI "tech" 5500xt 8GB ove the Gaming x 1660 6GB?

 

Sorry, just trying to find the best cooler

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Just now, owencrispy said:

MSI "tech" 5500xt 8GB

from what i can see 

this has a reference pcb  and is OK at best 

if you can find another model that would be advised 

something like the sapphire pulse will be alot better  

PC: Motherboard: ASUS B550M TUF-Plus, CPU: Ryzen 3 3100, CPU Cooler: Arctic Freezer 34, GPU: GIGABYTE WindForce GTX1650S, RAM: HyperX Fury RGB 2x8GB 3200 CL16, Case, CoolerMaster MB311L ARGB, Boot Drive: 250GB MX500, Game Drive: WD Blue 1TB 7200RPM HDD.

 

Peripherals: GK61 (Optical Gateron Red) with Mistel White/Orange keycaps, Logitech G102 (Purple), BitWit Ensemble Grey Deskpad. 

 

Audio: Logitech G432, Moondrop Starfield, Mic: Razer Siren Mini (White).

 

Phone: Pixel 3a (Purple-ish).

 

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4 minutes ago, owencrispy said:

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wtf is this fan curve. no wonder it is getting that hot. when it reaches 65c put it to 80-90% when 60c 50% when 70c 70% or so

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Test Rig.

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Ryzen 5 3400G || Gigabyte b450 S2H || Hyper X fury 2x4gb 2666mhz cl 16 ||Stock cooler || Antec NX100 || Silverstone essential 400w || Transgend SSD 220s 480gb ||

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Tier lists for building a PC.

 

Motherboard tier list. Tier A for overclocking 5950x. Tier B for overclocking 5900x, Tier C for overclocking 5800X. Tier D for overclocking 5600X. Tier F for 4/6 core Cpus at stock. Tier E avoid.

(Also case airflow matter or if you are using Downcraft air cooler)

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Gpu tier list. Rtx 3000 and RX 6000 not included since not so many reviews. Tier S for Water cooling. Tier A and B for overcloking. Tier C stock and Tier D avoid.

( You can overclock Tier C just fine, but it can get very loud, that is why it is not recommended for overclocking, same with tier D)

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Psu tier List. Tier A for Rtx 3000, Vega and RX 6000. Tier B For anything else. Tier C cheap/IGPU. Tier D and E avoid.

(RTX 3000/ RX 6000 Might run just fine with higher wattage tier B unit, Rtx 3070 runs fine with tier B units)

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Cpu cooler tier list. Tier 1&2 for power hungry Cpus with Overclock. Tier 3&4 for overclocking Ryzen 3,5,7 or lower power Intel Cpus. Tier 5 for overclocking low end Cpus or 4/6 core Ryzen. Tier 6&7 for stock. Tier 8&9 Ryzen stock cooler performance. Do not waste your money!

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Storage tier List. Tier A for Moving files/  OS. Tier B for OS/Games. Tier C for games. Tier D budget Pcs. Tier E if on sale not the worst but not good.

(With a grain of salt, I use tier C for OS myself)

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Case Tier List. Work In Progress. Most Phanteks airflow series cases already done!

Ask me anything :)

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