AMD confirms RDNA 2 "Big NAVI" will release for PC before the release of next gen consoles, calls it their "Halo Product"

[bcredeur97]

I think AMD will always have a harder time in their graphics division than CPU. it's cool that they do both though.

[GDRRiley]

5 minutes ago, bcredeur97 said:

I think AMD will always have a harder time in their graphics division than CPU. it's cool that they do both though.

there was a time they were ahead. they can do it but they've got to have the funding. until zen they hadn't had enough funding to do both CPU+GPU development well sense the early 2000 and then intel screwed their CPU side with manipulation of OEMs.

 

if this gen doesn't do it I'd expect in anther 1-2 years their GPUs will match or beat NVIDIA

[Shreyas1]

Remember the Vega hype train? All the people saying " wait for Vega! Its going to absolutely destroy Nvidia! "  like 5 months before the cards launched           ( myself included, to be fair )?

 

I'm keeping my expectations low

[GDRRiley]

41 minutes ago, Shreyas1 said:

Remember the Vega hype train? All the people saying " wait for Vega! Its going to absolutely destroy Nvidia! "  like 5 months before the cards launched           ( myself included, to be fair )?

 

I'm keeping my expectations low

it did for compute. a vega VII in raw numbers is faster than a 2080ti with double Precision not nerfed. a 64 is very close to 2080ti

the VII has 5gb more vram at almost twice the bandwidth 620 vs 1024

 

[xAcid9]

In manga a.k.a comic, halo mean the character is already dead. So RDNA2 is already a dead product before it even release?  I see. 

[Shreyas1]

39 minutes ago, GDRRiley said:

it did for compute. a vega VII in raw numbers is faster than a 2080ti with double Precision not nerfed. a 64 is very close to 2080ti

the VII has 5gb more vram at almost twice the bandwidth 620 vs 1024

 

I mean sure, but the vast majority of people that I know that were waiting for Vega or were asking for build help were mainly gaming focused and probably couldn't care less about compute

[dfsgsfa]

what if amd implies the delay of next gen console?

[GDRRiley]

1 minute ago, Shreyas1 said:

I mean sure, but the vast majority of people that I know that were waiting for Vega or were asking for build help were mainly gaming focused and probably couldn't care less about compute

the thing is AMD needs to work with game devs to be able to turn compute power into gaming power.

compute moves more units and vega was really built for that.

[leadeater]

26 minutes ago, valdyrgramr said:

Halo is also a product of Bungie/343i.  Lawsuit incoming.

Nah, Bungie has an open license for the Halo trademark who actually got that off the first users of the word... Relig...... (yea... nope not going there )

[Tech Enthusiast]

Do we know if BigNavi will support Ray Tracing btw?

Not gonna lie,... but I kind of fell in love with the few games that do support it,... realistic shadows are kind of a thing that I always hated in games and I found myself enjoying ray traced Games, even when disliking the genre / game itself.

Hell, I started playing Minecraft again because of that.

 

Kind of don't see myself "upgrading" to any GPU without it tbh.

 

I know there where plenty of rumors about RT coming to Consoles yadda, yadda,... but I did not catch any of that in the presentations of those consoles. (granted I kind of got bored 10 min in the first xbox presentation).

Do we have any proof or confirmed RT information? Like, really confirmed?

[xAcid9]

1 hour ago, Tech Enthusiast said:

Do we have any proof or confirmed RT information? Like, really confirmed?

AMD Financial Analysis slide is pretty confirm to me.

 

 

[Master Disaster]

1 hour ago, Tech Enthusiast said:

Do we know if BigNavi will support Ray Tracing btw?

Not gonna lie,... but I kind of fell in love with the few games that do support it,... realistic shadows are kind of a thing that I always hated in games and I found myself enjoying ray traced Games, even when disliking the genre / game itself.

Hell, I started playing Minecraft again because of that.

 

Kind of don't see myself "upgrading" to any GPU without it tbh.

 

I know there where plenty of rumors about RT coming to Consoles yadda, yadda,... but I did not catch any of that in the presentations of those consoles. (granted I kind of got bored 10 min in the first xbox presentation).

Do we have any proof or confirmed RT information? Like, really confirmed?

Yeah, AMD confirmed it back in march...

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“We’re on the cusp of the next generation graphics and the next generation consoles,” said Rick Bergman, AMD’s executive vice president of Computing and Graphics. “We will use our latest technology, and our latest RDNA technology as well, creating this very immersive experience with ray tracing, 3D audio, and fast load times that will excite a new generation of gamers.”

We also saw a demo of RDNA2 running DXR

 

Actually rather ironically it could be AMD who end up being responsible for making RT mainstream. Until now Nvidia have kept it as an exclusive feature for top end cards and they make you pay for it. Once AMD release support for it (and by the sounds of it, across MANY more cards than Nvidia currently supports) it should force Nvidia into opening it up a bit more to the masses. Wider adoption means more supported games and it goes on from there.

[PriitM]

On 6/4/2020 at 3:47 PM, leadeater said:

GPU forced induction?

 

  Reveal hidden contents

 

More overhead to turn up the boost

[porina]

15 hours ago, SolarNova said:

Regardless, I will be upgrading, i need HDMI 2.1 for 4k 120 on LG 48" OLED.

This is my biggest reason for getting a next gen (probably nvidia) GPU! I wouldn't rule out AMD, but I have no idea if that works with VRR on these TVs.

 

14 hours ago, Tech Enthusiast said:

I am not sure you will get a GPU that can actually push 4k@120 with the next gen tho.

It's not about sticking at the maximum refresh, but having the opportunity to get there at all, perhaps for older and/or less demanding titles. With G-sync I'm happy in the 70+ fps region, which none of my current cards can do as the interface only supports up to 60Hz at 4k.

 

13 hours ago, CarlBar said:

Personally i'd be very impressed if AMD manages to compete above the 2080Ti level by any significant margin. AMD haven't exactly got an amazing springboard to work off of.

I hear you, but big navi does seem to be more than small navi but bigger. 

 

10 hours ago, GDRRiley said:

it did for compute. a vega VII in raw numbers is faster than a 2080ti with double Precision not nerfed. a 64 is very close to 2080ti

The VII is the exception though. It was a weird launch, didn't stick around long. Yes, it was great for those using FP64, but that has been nerfed in consumer level cards for a long time now. The consumer Vega cards were good, but didn't have that selling point. I really wouldn't expect high FP64 performance in consumer GPUs, as much as I would love to have it myself.

[F.E.A.R.]

The upcoming new generation GPU's be like

 

[cj09beira]

5 hours ago, Master Disaster said:

Yeah, AMD confirmed it back in march...

We also saw a demo of RDNA2 running DXR

 

Actually rather ironically it could be AMD who end up being responsible for making RT mainstream. Until now Nvidia have kept it as an exclusive feature for top end cards and they make you pay for it. Once AMD release support for it (and by the sounds of it, across MANY more cards than Nvidia currently supports) it should force Nvidia into opening it up a bit more to the masses. Wider adoption means more supported games and it goes on from there.

the question is how good is it, we heard nvidea is increasing throughput by 4x,but we still dont know anything about how amd will do

6 minutes ago, F.E.A.R. said:

The upcoming new generation GPU's be like

 

gotta say that quote is glorious

[Kisai]

20 hours ago, RejZoR said:

When a latest gen 750€ card (cheapest RTX 2080 I could find) can barely rival a 4 years old card, I'd say GTX 1080Ti is pretty damn fast.

16nm and 12nm is not that far apart. The next part has to be 7nm or 5nm to be worth buying.

 

A GTX 1080Ti can do 1080p at 240fps or 2160p at 60fps. Since the 1080Ti part is a 16nm part and the 2080 part is a 12nm part, only a 25% gain can be had from die shrinking alone. So what do benchmarks say? An average of 15-20% improvement in games. To get the same improvement (240fps at 4K) you need a full die shrink below 7nm.

 

This is why, even with CPU's, switching CPU's without a die shrink is pointless, because any increased performance at the same die size typically comes as an expense in thermal requirements. You either do a full die shrink (eg 14nm to 7nm) and double performance, or you make pains to improve what you have through every trick in the book in order for people to feel like there's a point in replacing one 14nm part with another. This is why I keep saying in threads about CPU's that if you're on Skylake, there's no incentive to upgrade, as the only thing you get from a later Intel part is a faster memory controller, and Intel had to bring out an i9 part just to justify the increase in thermals by not shrinking it. What are they going to do next time they don't do a die shrink? come out with an i11? No that's not even a good marketing name.

 

When AMD acquired ATI, there was a long of moaning and groaning about it because the ATI parts were typically "better" in feature sets than nVidia's were, but the nVidia parts had higher clocks and better drivers. AMD hasn't done a lot in that regard to making the GPU parts better than nVidia's, and nVidia can only keep gamers around by locking them in via proprietary API's (eg CUDA, RT, gameworks , etc) , so much so that nVidia has their own branch of UE4 https://developer.nvidia.com/unrealengine

 

[JuztBe]

I just hope that it's at least 10% faster than 2080 Ti. Could cost twice as much for all I care.
@leadeater probably agrees with me.

[Bombastinator]

On 6/4/2020 at 3:58 AM, Promosss said:

Gotta love competitions, at the end of the day, the customer wins.

Dualopoly is in fact not as abusive as monopoly.  Still not as good as actual competition which would have meant all this stuff would have been released a year ago, but not as bad.  With monopoly it probably wouldn’t have been released at all.

[GDRRiley]

1 hour ago, Bombastinator said:

Dualopoly is in fact not as abusive as monopoly.  Still not as good as actual competition which would have meant all this stuff would have been released a year ago, but not as bad.  With monopoly it probably wouldn’t have been released at all.

it is kinda a 3 way and looks to be more of one at least in the low end and server space when intel joins

[cj09beira]

1 hour ago, GDRRiley said:

it is kinda a 3 way and looks to be more of one at least in the low end and server space when intel joins

i would love a 3 way competition, but could we have someone else do it, intel is already large enough as it is, and they  will 100% use their "marketing funds" to force oems into using their products 

[GDRRiley]

1 minute ago, cj09beira said:

i would love a 3 way competition, but could we have someone else do it, intel is already large enough as it is, and they  will 100% use their "marketing funds" to force oems into using their products 

oh they will for sure try to bundle their CPU+GPU+wireless chipset+SSD combo but the thing is it looks like for the next 1+ year intel has 0 to compete with AMD and their chips haven't launched yet

[Bombastinator]

1 hour ago, GDRRiley said:

it is kinda a 3 way and looks to be more of one at least in the low end and server space when intel joins

I’m looking forward to intel in this one too.  Merely their interest I think has done positive things