Dissappointed from AMD for first time.... Going for Intel Build

[VENTUS22]

40 minutes ago, Darpyface said:

Wouldn't it just be cheaper and easier to get new thermal paste, or a new cooler?

No because the CPU might have been harmed after reaching 93c I guess.

 

I RMAed and sold everything else except GPU.

 

[MadAnt250]

Just now, VENTUS22 said:

Because AMD begins to scare me... Especially with 70c temps on Idle and open case panels.

This logic does not make sense, it was only one broken cpu.

[VENTUS22]

Just now, MadAnt250 said:

This logic does not make sense, it was only one broken cpu.

I understand but aren't CPU's checked before they are sent to retailers?

 

So the company is sure all their products will work just fine without checking?

[VENTUS22]

10 minutes ago, steelo said:

dude, it happens with any manufacturer. Instead of seeking a refund for a defective cooler (which Im sure they would have done) you attempted to jerry rig it, then complain.

 

Not sure what to tell you.

Well their stock cooler sucks big time anyway...

 

They could have sold without cooler, or with a 50% better one.

[5x5]

Just now, VENTUS22 said:

Well their stock cooler sucks big time anyway...

 

They could have sold without cooler, or with a 50% better one.

Don't blame your mistakes on the cooler, smh. Plenty of people are running at 70 max under stress test loads. The fact is, your most certainly failed to mount it fully or did not install your chipset driver or what-have-you. When hundreds of thousands of people are running these CPUS with these coolers fine, you are the outlier and (most likely) the root cause

[Jurrunio]

9 minutes ago, VENTUS22 said:

No because the CPU might have been harmed after reaching 93c I guess.

 

I RMAed and sold everything else except GPU.

 

No you need to run 93C for years before degradation becomes noticeable. During internal testing phase CPUs are often heated to say 170C (if not more) to make degradations fast enough to complete the lifespan test in a couple of months.

 

2 minutes ago, VENTUS22 said:

Well their stock cooler sucks big time anyway...

 

They could have sold without cooler, or with a 50% better one.

Like, how the 9600K comes out?

[steelo]

3 minutes ago, VENTUS22 said:

Well their stock cooler sucks big time anyway...

 

They could have sold without cooler, or with a 50% better one.

You could have contacted them, chances are they would have sent you an upgraded cooler for free...

[VENTUS22]

1 minute ago, Jurrunio said:

No you need to run 93C for years before degradation becomes noticeable. During internal testing phase CPUs are often heated to say 170C (if not more) to make degradations fast enough to complete the lifespan test in a couple of months.

 

Like, how the 9600K comes out?

Well at least they sell without cooler... Knowing that I need liquid cooling or a norma huge one

 

[VENTUS22]

  

Just now, 5x5 said:

Don't blame your mistakes on the cooler, smh. Plenty of people are running at 70 max under stress test loads. The fact is, your most certainly failed to mount it fully or did not install your chipset driver or what-have-you. When hundreds of thousands of people are running these CPUS with these coolers fine, you are the outlier and (most likely) the root cause

Yea yea.. I explained the center of the CPU is bent down therefor not attaching the cooler properly...

 

So stop underestimating me please...

 

Like its a science to mount a cooler properly....

 

And yes... their cooler sucks big time for an X @ 95 watt.

 

And please show me the hundreds of thousands of people who use an 3600X @ 95 with its stock cheap cooler

[MadAnt250]

6 minutes ago, VENTUS22 said:

I understand but aren't CPU's checked before they are sent to retailers?

 

So the company is sure all their products will work just fine without checking?

There are plenty of defective Intel products sold, so what makes you think it is just one company?

[Jurrunio]

3 minutes ago, VENTUS22 said:

Well at least they sell without cooler... Knowing that I need liquid cooling or a norma huge one

 

You need aftermarket cooler for both, you happy now?

[MadAnt250]

7 minutes ago, VENTUS22 said:

And yes... their cooler sucks big time for an X @ 95 watt.

It is fine if you are not overclocking.

 

 

[VENTUS22]

9 minutes ago, Jurrunio said:

You need aftermarket cooler for both, you happy now?

Well I suspected this before going for it...

 

I thought like "hold on, intel @ 95w sells without cooler, but AMD sells with a cooler?"

 

And i think ok, it must be a huge one and could be enough for  1-2 months.; (After that was gonna get a liquid cooler)

 

But it seems like its as small as my 2600's cooler

[VENTUS22]

16 minutes ago, MadAnt250 said:

It is fine if you are not overclocking.

I know... Sounds funny I did not overclock CPU coz it is enough for me @ stocks speeds

 

Only enabled RAM Profile to 3200Mhz...

 

 

It was pretty fast in the begining.

 

After it reached 93c for first time it was becoming sluggish..

 

 

[Jurrunio]

1 minute ago, VENTUS22 said:

Well I suspected this before going for it...

 

I thought like "hold on, intel @ 95w sells with cooler, but AMD sells with a cooler?"

 

And i think ok, it must be a huge one and could be enough for  1-2 months.; (After that was gonna get a liquid cooler)

 

But it seems like its as small as my 2600's cooler

No it's not, Wraith Spire that comes with the 3600X is a step up over the Wraith Stealth that comes with the 2600 and 3600.

 

https://www.techspot.com/review/1635-amd-wraith-coolers-compared/

 

Just not good enough to be worth the extra dollars

[VENTUS22]

  

  

1 minute ago, Jurrunio said:

No it's not, Wraith Spire that comes with the 3600X is a step up over the Wraith Stealth that comes with the 2600 and 3600.

 

https://www.techspot.com/review/1635-amd-wraith-coolers-compared/

 

Just not good enough to be worth the extra dollars

Sorry corrected my phrase. *intel @ 95w sells without cooler,*

 

Anyways... I guess 9600K will be just fine for gaming right?

 

Nothing else I do on the PC.

 

 

[Jurrunio]

5 minutes ago, VENTUS22 said:

  

  

Sorry corrected my phrase. *intel @ 95w sells without cooler,*

 

Anyways... I guess 9600K will be just fine for gaming right?

 

Nothing else I do on the PC.

 

 

good enough, all 6 cores made and sold today are.

[MadAnt250]

11 minutes ago, VENTUS22 said:

And please show me the hundreds of thousands of people who use an 3600X @ 95 with its stock cheap cooler

https://pcpartpicker.com/builds/#h=1&c=1210

 

Is this enough proof?

[VENTUS22]

2 minutes ago, MadAnt250 said:

https://pcpartpicker.com/builds/#h=1&c=1210

 

Is this enough proof?

well well..

 

I tell you I was very happy with 2600 and stock cooler...

 

But 3600X caused me headaches...

 

[MadAnt250]

5 minutes ago, VENTUS22 said:

well well..

 

I tell you I was very happy with 2600 and stock cooler...

 

But 3600X caused me headaches...

 

It happens, as a mechanic I have encountered all sorts of crazy problems. 

[VENTUS22]

15 minutes ago, MadAnt250 said:

It happens, as a mechanic I have encountered all sorts of crazy problems. 

[LogicalDrm]

*** Cleaned some of the more aggressive posts ***

 

Ps. I'm with those who think you had lack of research and troubleshooting before jumping the gun. What you do with your money is not our problem. Blaming company without good reason is. There's too much of that in the internet already.

 

One side of the issue might have been PBO, or even auto-OC. But it's too late to see that now.

 

Remember that Intels K-SKU CPUs don't come with stock coolers, unlike AMDs. But basic budget cooler might be enough. And if you have temp issues with that, check out the voltages under load before anything else.

[VENTUS22]

5 hours ago, LogicalDrm said:

*** Cleaned some of the more aggressive posts ***

 

Ps. I'm with those who think you had lack of research and troubleshooting before jumping the gun. What you do with your money is not our problem. Blaming company without good reason is. There's too much of that in the internet already.

 

One side of the issue might have been PBO, or even auto-OC. But it's too late to see that now.

 

Remember that Intels K-SKU CPUs don't come with stock coolers, unlike AMDs. But basic budget cooler might be enough. And if you have temp issues with that, check out the voltages under load before anything else.

Yea I suspected it could be the B450 Aorus M motherboard issue...

 

But I troubleshooted very well and what was wrong was the CPU was bent in center towards the inside not allowing the original thermal paste to touch the plenty center of CPU.

 

Only the edges.

 

I even added more paste and still got same temperatures  

 

With 2600 I never had such problem. Was very happy with it.

[VENTUS22]

5 hours ago, LogicalDrm said:

Remember that Intels K-SKU CPUs don't come with stock coolers, unlike AMDs. But basic budget cooler might be enough. And if you have temp issues with that, check out the voltages under load before anything else.

Yes I know that the Intel's ones come without coolers... This is what I like about them. They sell without heatsink forcing you to buy something good.

 

I owned a 8600K bcak in the time with Corsair H115i AIO....

 

I was very happy with it 20c idle - 55c on heavy games.

 

I only sold it because I needed money and then gave a try to Ryzen 5 2600 @ Stock cooler.

 

Was quite happy with 2600 but the 3600X caused me headaches  

 

The fan was becoming so noisy every 2-3 seconds then become quiet.

 

Each time I try to open anything, browser, folder, any application, fan start to run on high speeds.

 

Causing me headaches   

 

I guess I'd better go with Intel again  

[ketchupspill]

12 hours ago, VENTUS22 said:

 

ok so:

 

a faulty CPU thats been bent. (thats what warranty is for?)

 

switching from a 3600x ( which has decent temps)

 

to a i5 9600kf which if i remember right is notorious for temps.

 

and you didnt bother RMAing, instantly switching

 

plus youre gonna use a STOCK COOLER?

 

just why?

 

also i mean if the CPU itself is not the way it should be, then of course not everything else will work fine?