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Dissappointed from AMD for first time.... Going for Intel Build

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I recently upgraded my old build from:

Ryzen 5 2600 (Stock Cooler)

Asrock A320M Rev 4.

ASUS 2060 Super Dual Evo OC

 

To:

Ryzen 5 3600X (Stock Cooler)

Gigabyte B450 Aorus M

Gigabyte 2070 Super 3X White OC

 

I was very happy with my R5 2600.

Stock cooler temps 30c-65c

 

After upgrading to 3600X, it was idling on 55-70c.

While playing PUBG hits 90c after 2 minutes of play and even reaching 92-93c.

 

Removed cooler, noticed thermal paste was not attaching on all CPU.

I am very careful when it comes to building desktops.

Screwing diagonally little bit by little bit while holding down the cooler straight.

 

After 3 attempts of refitting Stock Cooler, I ended up adding spaces on gigabyte's backplate (behind mobo)

Still surprisingly , the plenty center of CPU was not touching the Original AMD Cooler thermal paste. Only the edges of the CPU.

 

Added more paste, tried different mobo. Still same temperatures.

 

I will not risk it again to order an X from AMD. I do not accept factory mistakes. It makes me regret it.

 

I RMAed CPU and sold everything else (except the GPU) and I need opinions about my next build:

 

Gigabyte Z390 Aorus Gaming X

Intel i5 9600KF

Budget Cooler Master Master Liquid ML240L RGB

 

Can't pay more for an AIO cooler.

 

Thank you.

 

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Wouldn't it just be cheaper and easier to get new thermal paste, or a new cooler?

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You barely tried troubleshooting anything and didn't even use your warranty to get another chip. Then you decide to move to a chip lineup which infamously has extremely high temperatures?

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12 minutes ago, VENTUS22 said:

Can't pay more for an AIO cooler.

Pay less for a decent air cooler? As if Intel stock coolers are good enough for stock clocks?

Or if you think it's the CPU IHS not being flat RMA it?

 

12 minutes ago, VENTUS22 said:

I am very professional when it comes to building desktops.

Sounds like you would prefer pre-builts instead with these expectations and lack of troubleshooting.

CPU: Ryzen 7 5800X Cooler:  Corsair H100i Platinum SE Mobo: Asus B550-A Gaming GPU: EVGA RTX 2070 XC RAM: G.Skill Trident Z RGB 3200MHz 16CL 4x8GB SSD0: Crucial MX300 525GB SSD1: Samsung QVO 1TB PSU: NZXT C650 Case: Corsair 4000D Airflow Monitor: Asus VG259QM (240Hz)

I usually edit my posts immediately after posting them, as I don't check for typos before pressing the shiny SUBMIT button.

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Unraid Server

CPU: Ryzen 5 1600 (3.6GHz; 1.25v) Cooler:  EVGA CLC 240mm Mobo: Asus Strix B350-i GPU: GT 1030 4GB RAM: G.Skill Trident Z 3200MHz 14CL 2x8GB SSD: ADATA SU800 128GB HDD: Seagate Ironwolf 2x6TB PSUCorsair SF450 Case: NZXT H200i

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22 minutes ago, VENTUS22 said:

I will not risk it again to order an X from AMD.

My x works fine.

22 minutes ago, VENTUS22 said:

Removed cooler, noticed thermal paste was not attaching on all CPU socket.

I am very professional when it comes to building desktops.

There's your problem, the thermal paste is supposed to contact the spreader not the socket. lol.

Gaming With a 4:3 CRT

System specs below

 

CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 2600X with a Noctua NH-U9S cooler 
Motherboard: Gigabyte B450 Aorus M (Because it was cheap for what it had)
RAM: 16GB (2 x 8GB) of DDR4 GEIL Evo Potenza, OC to 3200Mhz
GPU: EVGA GTX 980 Ti SC Blower Card
HDD: 7200RPM TOSHIBA DT01ACA100 1TB, External HDD: 5400RPM 2TB WD My Passport
SSD: NONE, eveything works fine, no need to upgrade, stop telling me I need an SSD. Ok, things be slow sometimes.
PSU: Corsair CX650M
Displays: ViewSonic VA2012WB LCD 1680x1050p @ 75Hz
Gateway VX920 CRT: 1920x1440@65Hz, 1600x1200@75Hz, 1200x900@100Hz, 960x720@125Hz
Gateway VX900 CRT: 1920x1440@64Hz, 1600x1200@75Hz, 1200x900@100Hz, 960x720@120Hz (Can be pushed to 175Hz)
(Yes, I use a CRT and I prefer gaming on one)
 
Cooling: Grill with filter installed onto the front panel for air intake cooling with a 120mm Corsair ML120 fan and an old recycled 92mm cooler master(forgot model) fan for exhaust.
 
Keyboard: Thermaltake eSPORTS MEKA PRO with Cherry MX Red switches
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12 minutes ago, VENTUS22 said:

I do not accept factory mistakes

this standard is way too high, and going with Intel will not necessarily cleanse you of this worry.

I WILL find your ITX build thread, and I WILL recommend the SIlverstone Sugo SG13B

 

Primary PC:

i7 8086k (won) - EVGA Z370 Classified K - G.Skill Trident Z RGB - WD SN750 - Jedi Order Titan Xp - Hyper 212 Black (with RGB Riing flair) - EVGA G2 650W - dual booting Windows 10 and Linux - Black and green theme, Razer brainwashed me.

Draws 400 watts under max load, for reference.

 

Linux Proliant ML150 G6:

Dual Xeon X5560 - 24GB ECC DDR3 - GTX 750 TI - old Seagate 1.5TB HDD - dark mode Ubuntu (and Win7, cuz why not)

 

How many watts do I need? Seasonic Focus threadUserbenchmark (Et al.) is trash explained, PSU misconceptions, protections explainedgroup reg is bad

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this sounds like user error lol. go with whatever team you want, its your pc, your money. also, if it is a defect, that happens at any company. if you think intel has never had a defect chip, i assure you your mistaken.

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Sorry I understand you believe I did not mount the cooler properly but you are mistaken... I built hundreds of PC's and checked them before giving to the customers.   But I assure you. I mounted it 100% correctly... The center of the CPU was bent down to the bottom obviously. Even tho package arrived without damage.   I added more paste as well and the temps were still the same even with side panels of my NZXT H500i left open.

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5 minutes ago, MadAnt250 said:

My x works fine.

There's your problem, the thermal paste is supposed to contact the spreader not the socket.

Sorry my english not very good. I meant the CPU on the top.

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I feel you. 

The Ryzen 5 3600X is overpriced and not worth the $50 increase.

 

Although I prefer intel myself, 

  • as of right now, the Ryzen 5 3600 is a better gaming CPU for the price
  • as of right now, the Ryzen 7 3700X is the best CPU for a mixture between gaming, streaming, and content creation. 
  • as of right now, the Ryzen 9 3900X is in the same [category] as the Ryzen 7 for gaming, streaming, and content creation[, but is more focused on workloads considering the 12 cores, 24 threads]. 

But, 
AMD is about to release a Zen2 refresh chipset, making it actually better to wait and see what the price per performance metric ends up being. 

P.S. 
Did you determine if it was the stock cooler or the CPU that was manufactured incorrectly? Why did you not RMA the products?  

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Fixed wording and misinformation about Ryzen 9.
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4 minutes ago, VENTUS22 said:

The center of the CPU was bent down to the bottom obviously. Even tho package arrived without damage.

This is what warranties are for.

Gaming With a 4:3 CRT

System specs below

 

CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 2600X with a Noctua NH-U9S cooler 
Motherboard: Gigabyte B450 Aorus M (Because it was cheap for what it had)
RAM: 16GB (2 x 8GB) of DDR4 GEIL Evo Potenza, OC to 3200Mhz
GPU: EVGA GTX 980 Ti SC Blower Card
HDD: 7200RPM TOSHIBA DT01ACA100 1TB, External HDD: 5400RPM 2TB WD My Passport
SSD: NONE, eveything works fine, no need to upgrade, stop telling me I need an SSD. Ok, things be slow sometimes.
PSU: Corsair CX650M
Displays: ViewSonic VA2012WB LCD 1680x1050p @ 75Hz
Gateway VX920 CRT: 1920x1440@65Hz, 1600x1200@75Hz, 1200x900@100Hz, 960x720@125Hz
Gateway VX900 CRT: 1920x1440@64Hz, 1600x1200@75Hz, 1200x900@100Hz, 960x720@120Hz (Can be pushed to 175Hz)
(Yes, I use a CRT and I prefer gaming on one)
 
Cooling: Grill with filter installed onto the front panel for air intake cooling with a 120mm Corsair ML120 fan and an old recycled 92mm cooler master(forgot model) fan for exhaust.
 
Keyboard: Thermaltake eSPORTS MEKA PRO with Cherry MX Red switches
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3 minutes ago, P3rfectLIVE said:

Did you determine if it was the stock cooler or the CPU that was manufactured incorrectly? Why did you not RMA the products?  

Yes I tried mounting it on another mobo as well and in case it was the motherboard and still was the same problem..

 

This is what I explain to everyone they believe I can't mount a cooler properly... Like its a science to do it.

 

Sorry I meant I RMAed the CPU and sold everything else (except GPU)

 

My english really bad.

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3 minutes ago, P3rfectLIVE said:
  • as of right now, the Ryzen 7 3700X is the best CPU for a mixture between gaming, streaming, and content creation. 
  • as of right now, the Ryzen 9 is a better version of the Ryzen 7 for gaming, streaming, and content creation

Wtf did you even read what your wrote?

 

the ryzen 9 isn’t a version of the ryzen 7, the ryzen 9 (assuming 3900x) has 4 more cores than the ryzen 7. 

23 minutes ago, VENTUS22 said:

After 3 attempts of refitting Stock Cooler, I ended up adding spaces on gigabyte's backplate (behind mobo)

Still surprisingly , the plenty center of CPU was not touching the Original AMD Cooler thermal paste. Only the edges of the CPU.

 

I will not risk it again to order an X from AMD. I do not accept factory mistakes. It makes me regret it.

You didn’t even rma? I’m pretty sure this is user error, my cooler works fine, hits all of the cpu.

 

but the ihs may not have been manufactured correctly, and had a higher brim, but I doubt it.
 

AMD blackout rig

 

cpu: ryzen 5 3600 @4.4ghz @1.35v

gpu: rx5700xt 2200mhz

ram: vengeance lpx c15 3200mhz

mobo: gigabyte b550 auros pro 

psu: cooler master mwe 650w

case: masterbox mbx520

fans:Noctua industrial 3000rpm x6

 

 

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3 minutes ago, Letgomyleghoe said:

Wtf did you even read what your wrote?

 

the ryzen 9 isn’t a version of the ryzen 7, the ryzen 9 (assuming 3900x) has 4 more cores than the ryzen 7. 

You didn’t even rma? I’m pretty sure this is user error, my cooler works fine, hits all of the cpu.

 

but the ihs may not have been manufactured correctly, and had a higher brim, but I doubt it.
 

I even added plenty of paste still same temps. Tried on different mobo as well. Still same temps :(

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Just now, VENTUS22 said:

I even added plenty of paste still same temps. Tried on different mobo as well. Still same temps :(

Well, you have to understand as you said above the ihs is caved in and only making contact with the edges, your best bet would have been an rma and getting a new cpu. 

all company’s have manufacturing mistakes.

AMD blackout rig

 

cpu: ryzen 5 3600 @4.4ghz @1.35v

gpu: rx5700xt 2200mhz

ram: vengeance lpx c15 3200mhz

mobo: gigabyte b550 auros pro 

psu: cooler master mwe 650w

case: masterbox mbx520

fans:Noctua industrial 3000rpm x6

 

 

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Just now, VENTUS22 said:

I even added plenty of paste still same temps. Tried on different mobo as well. Still same temps :(

Look, it could have been a manufacturer mistake. That is technically possible. However, very unlikely. In the off chance that it was, I would have loved for you not to quickly get rid of it, rather taken pictures and shown the IHS being unlevel. That would have made for a much more interesting post. However, I believe Ryzen is still a better platform to build on, especially if temps are of concern. Since Intels latest CPU's run much hotter as they are much less efficient.

Currently have an Asus TUF 3080 with a Ryzen 5 3600.

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21 minutes ago, Nocte said:

Pay less for a decent air cooler? As if Intel stock coolers are good enough for stock clocks?

Or if you think it's the CPU IHS not being flat RMA it?

 

Sounds like you would prefer pre-builts instead with these expectations and lack of troubleshooting.

Dude I troubleshooted this a lot. I even tried a different mobo in case it was Gigabytes backplate and added more paste.

 

Screwed diagonally while holding down little bit by little bit.

 

Why you believe I am lacking of troubleshooting.

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29 minutes ago, VENTUS22 said:

I will not risk it again to order an X from AMD. I do not accept factory mistakes. It makes me regret it.

How many times did you get a bad X CPU from AMD?

 

Gaming With a 4:3 CRT

System specs below

 

CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 2600X with a Noctua NH-U9S cooler 
Motherboard: Gigabyte B450 Aorus M (Because it was cheap for what it had)
RAM: 16GB (2 x 8GB) of DDR4 GEIL Evo Potenza, OC to 3200Mhz
GPU: EVGA GTX 980 Ti SC Blower Card
HDD: 7200RPM TOSHIBA DT01ACA100 1TB, External HDD: 5400RPM 2TB WD My Passport
SSD: NONE, eveything works fine, no need to upgrade, stop telling me I need an SSD. Ok, things be slow sometimes.
PSU: Corsair CX650M
Displays: ViewSonic VA2012WB LCD 1680x1050p @ 75Hz
Gateway VX920 CRT: 1920x1440@65Hz, 1600x1200@75Hz, 1200x900@100Hz, 960x720@125Hz
Gateway VX900 CRT: 1920x1440@64Hz, 1600x1200@75Hz, 1200x900@100Hz, 960x720@120Hz (Can be pushed to 175Hz)
(Yes, I use a CRT and I prefer gaming on one)
 
Cooling: Grill with filter installed onto the front panel for air intake cooling with a 120mm Corsair ML120 fan and an old recycled 92mm cooler master(forgot model) fan for exhaust.
 
Keyboard: Thermaltake eSPORTS MEKA PRO with Cherry MX Red switches
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Just now, MadAnt250 said:

How many times did you get a bad X CPU from AMD?

 

With stock cooler once... With Liquid Cooling never.

 

Maybe they should sell it without heatsink

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21 hours ago, VENTUS22 said:

With stock cooler once... With Liquid Cooling never.

So one defective CPU is enough to make you switch? So, what would you do if you ever get a defective Intel product?

Gaming With a 4:3 CRT

System specs below

 

CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 2600X with a Noctua NH-U9S cooler 
Motherboard: Gigabyte B450 Aorus M (Because it was cheap for what it had)
RAM: 16GB (2 x 8GB) of DDR4 GEIL Evo Potenza, OC to 3200Mhz
GPU: EVGA GTX 980 Ti SC Blower Card
HDD: 7200RPM TOSHIBA DT01ACA100 1TB, External HDD: 5400RPM 2TB WD My Passport
SSD: NONE, eveything works fine, no need to upgrade, stop telling me I need an SSD. Ok, things be slow sometimes.
PSU: Corsair CX650M
Displays: ViewSonic VA2012WB LCD 1680x1050p @ 75Hz
Gateway VX920 CRT: 1920x1440@65Hz, 1600x1200@75Hz, 1200x900@100Hz, 960x720@125Hz
Gateway VX900 CRT: 1920x1440@64Hz, 1600x1200@75Hz, 1200x900@100Hz, 960x720@120Hz (Can be pushed to 175Hz)
(Yes, I use a CRT and I prefer gaming on one)
 
Cooling: Grill with filter installed onto the front panel for air intake cooling with a 120mm Corsair ML120 fan and an old recycled 92mm cooler master(forgot model) fan for exhaust.
 
Keyboard: Thermaltake eSPORTS MEKA PRO with Cherry MX Red switches
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dude, it happens with any manufacturer. Instead of seeking a refund for a defective cooler (which Im sure they would have done) you attempted to jerry rig it, then complain.

 

Not sure what to tell you.

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Just now, MadAnt250 said:

So one defected CPU will is enough to make you switch? So, what would you do if you ever get a defected Intel product?

theres always the Chinese ebay knock offs!

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32 minutes ago, Slottr said:

You barely tried troubleshooting anything and didn't even use your warranty to get another chip. Then you decide to move to a chip lineup which infamously has extremely high temperatures?

Sorry I forgot to mention I added more paste and tried this on another motherboard and still get same temps with open side panels and proper airflow.

 

Sorry my english not very good, I RMAed the CPU and *sold everything else* (except GPU)

 

Btw, I had 8600k in the past with H115i Corsair and max temps while playing heavy games were 55c.

 

20-25 on idle.

 

Sorry....

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Tbh nobody (at least here, for now) cares if you're gonna switch CPU brand because of 1 failed unit, that's your money, your time and your choice. What we care is how you use 1 failed unit to discredit the entire company, because with this standard you can't buy anything.

CPU: i7-2600K 4751MHz 1.44V (software) --> 1.47V at the back of the socket Motherboard: Asrock Z77 Extreme4 (BCLK: 103.3MHz) CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-D15 RAM: Adata XPG 2x8GB DDR3 (XMP: 2133MHz 10-11-11-30 CR2, custom: 2203MHz 10-11-10-26 CR1 tRFC:230 tREFI:14000) GPU: Asus GTX 1070 Dual (Super Jetstream vbios, +70(2025-2088MHz)/+400(8.8Gbps)) SSD: Samsung 840 Pro 256GB (main boot drive), Transcend SSD370 128GB PSU: Seasonic X-660 80+ Gold Case: Antec P110 Silent, 5 intakes 1 exhaust Monitor: AOC G2460PF 1080p 144Hz (150Hz max w/ DP, 121Hz max w/ HDMI) TN panel Keyboard: Logitech G610 Orion (Cherry MX Blue) with SteelSeries Apex M260 keycaps Mouse: BenQ Zowie FK1

 

Model: HP Omen 17 17-an110ca CPU: i7-8750H (0.125V core & cache, 50mV SA undervolt) GPU: GTX 1060 6GB Mobile (+80/+450, 1650MHz~1750MHz 0.78V~0.85V) RAM: 8+8GB DDR4-2400 18-17-17-39 2T Storage: 1TB HP EX920 PCIe x4 M.2 SSD + 1TB Seagate 7200RPM 2.5" HDD (ST1000LM049-2GH172), 128GB Toshiba PCIe x2 M.2 SSD (KBG30ZMV128G) gone cooking externally Monitor: 1080p 126Hz IPS G-sync

 

Desktop benching:

Cinebench R15 Single thread:168 Multi-thread: 833 

SuperPi (v1.5 from Techpowerup, PI value output) 16K: 0.100s 1M: 8.255s 32M: 7m 45.93s

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2 minutes ago, MadAnt250 said:

So one defective CPU will is enough to make you switch? So, what would you do if you ever get a defective Intel product?

Because AMD begins to scare me... Especially with 70c temps on Idle and open case panels.

 

:S

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