Raven Ridge Athlon 3000G

[svmlegacy]

To all the Athlon 3000G owners out there, can you check your CPU-Z report to see if it's a Picasso or Raven Ridge chip?

 

Picasso:

 

AMD Reports the "CMOS" of the 3000G here as 14 nm: https://www.amd.com/en/products/apu/amd-athlon-3000g

 

This seems to have caused a lot of confusion in wiki articles, which has propagated much further.

 

A Raven Ridge part will have Model 1 Ext. Model 11, like this Athlon 200GE: https://valid.x86.fr/zqdm8f

 

I'm curious if any 14 nm 3000G's exist.

[Haro]

Isn't the athlon 3000g based on zen 1 ? 

I'm pretty sure it's suppose to be 14nm

[svmlegacy]

On 6/1/2020 at 9:50 AM, TofuHaroto said:

Isn't the athlon 3000g based on zen 1 ? 

I'm pretty sure it's suppose to be 14nm

Mine is 100% a 12 nm Picasso part. All the CPU-Z submissions also show Picasso CPUID's.

Well... I was wrong on this.

[Haro]

1 minute ago, svmlegacy said:

Mine is 100% a 12 nm Picasso part. All the CPU-Z submissions also show Picasso CPUID's.

Hmm that's weird because apparently all athlons are raven cpu's 

[Eigenvektor]

1 minute ago, svmlegacy said:

Mine is 100% a 12 nm Picasso part. All the CPU-Z submissions also show Picasso CPUID's.

TPU says Athlon 3000G is Raven Ridge with 14nm. Picasso would be a 3200G.

https://www.techpowerup.com/review/amd-athlon-3000g-with-vega-3-graphics/

 

Apparently CPU-Z is misreporting it:

https://www.guru3d.com/articles-pages/amd-athlon-3000g-review,4.html

[svmlegacy]

On 6/1/2020 at 9:55 AM, TofuHaroto said:

Hmm that's weird because apparently all athlons are raven cpu's

 

On 6/1/2020 at 9:56 AM, Eigenvektor said:

TPU says Athlon 3000G is Raven Ridge with 14nm. Picasso would be a 3200G.

https://www.techpowerup.com/review/amd-athlon-3000g-with-vega-3-graphics/

 

Apparently CPU-Z is misreporting it:

https://www.guru3d.com/articles-pages/amd-athlon-3000g-review,4.html

> My 3000G reports a Picasso CPUID. This is a CPU instruction that cannot be misreported. It overclocks to 4.1 GHz (Big stretch for Zen, normal for Zen+). Same "FH" stepping as a Picasso 3200G. (OPN MPK Here: https://www.amd.com/en/products/apu/amd-ryzen-3-3200g https://www.amd.com/en/products/apu/amd-athlon-3000g )

 

See Raven Ridge's "FB" Stepping here: https://www.amd.com/en/products/apu/amd-ryzen-3-2200g

 

This is pretty clearly a Picasso CPU.

 

Edit: Further proof that it isn't a CPU-Z misreport:

 

Note: Windows reports in decimal, making this Ext. Family 17h Ext. Model 18h.

 

Edit: Athlon 3000G is a Raven2 part.

Edited October 7, 2020 by svmlegacy

[mariushm]

See https://en.wikichip.org/wiki/amd/athlon/3000g

 

It's Picasso 12nm .

[svmlegacy]

2 minutes ago, mariushm said:

See https://en.wikichip.org/wiki/amd/athlon/3000g

 

It's Picasso 12nm .

I just edited that article earlier today. It seems like most are Picasso. I'd really really like to see a Raven 3000G, if one does exist.

[svmlegacy]

After some digging, it seems as if the 3000G is not Picasso, but rather something different entirely.

 

https://www.computerbase.de/2019-11/amd-athlon-3000g-test/

 

The delid of the 3000G shows a smaller, nearly square die, while Raven Ridge and Picasso's are rectangular. I now suspect it's the same chip as Dali/Banded Kestrel, which are Zen based 14nm parts, with 2C4T and Vega 3 graphics. They're new enough (2019 or so) that they may have been tweaked to help it clock up higher than the original Zen design. That's just speculation though. The only real proof that that is how my 3000G hits 4.1 GHz, while the 1200 can only muster 3.75. If only I had a Raven Ridge part to test.

[chemslip]

To dig up and old topic....  I am posting to save anyone else trouble trying to find this information.  I recently purchased an AMD Athlon 3000g and received a YD3000C6FBBOX not the YD3000C6FHBOX version.  I called AMD and they told me they released another version, changing from Picasso (HFBOX) to Raven Ridge (FBBOX).  

[badhusband]

According to some gigabyte cpu support pages, there are two different types of athlon 3000gs, part number YD3000C6M2OFH being Picasso and YD3000C6M2OFB being Raven Ridge. AMD seemed to freakin change architecture and call them both athlon 3000g... they are on different manufacturing nodes and will have different motherboard support. I wonder if their performance will be different, too. 

https://www.gigabyte.com/Motherboard/B450-I-AORUS-PRO-WIFI-rev-10/support#support-cpu

[svmlegacy]

4 hours ago, badhusband said:

According to some gigabyte cpu support pages, there are two different types of athlon 3000gs, part number YD3000C6M2OFH being Picasso and YD3000C6M2OFB being Raven Ridge. AMD seemed to freakin change architecture and call them both athlon 3000g... they are on different manufacturing nodes and will have different motherboard support. I wonder if their performance will be different, too. 

https://www.gigabyte.com/Motherboard/B450-I-AORUS-PRO-WIFI-rev-10/support#support-cpu

All 3000G's are Raven Ridge based and 14nm. Mine is an OFH, and has the dual core Raven Ridge-2 die. Picasso was never made dual-core. Why AMD masquarde's it as Picasso, even matching the CPUID, is beyond me.

[HonkForLife]

So is there an actual difference between the two in terms of performance? I've had my 3000g for a few days now and my pc is really slow, so I thought I should just reinstall because it may be a driver problem. I was surprised to see that others have their cpu z reports as Picasso and 12nm when mine is Raven Ridge and 14nm

[svmlegacy]

12 hours ago, HonkForLife said:

So is there an actual difference between the two in terms of performance? I've had my 3000g for a few days now and my pc is really slow, so I thought I should just reinstall because it may be a driver problem. I was surprised to see that others have their cpu z reports as Picasso and 12nm when mine is Raven Ridge and 14nm

Looks like CPU-Z corrected how it reports the 3000G. The CPUID matches mine, and the utility makes an educated guess to what the code name is. 

 

I've never actually seen an "FB" 3000G. I suspect they exist only in ES form. I would expect no performance difference, if they did indeed release a few with the original Raven Ridge die.

 

What part number is listed on your CPU's box, if you have it? Slow PC's are usually because of a spinning HDD nowadays.

[badhusband]

On 1/18/2022 at 9:29 AM, svmlegacy said:

Looks like CPU-Z corrected how it reports the 3000G. The CPUID matches mine, and the utility makes an educated guess to what the code name is. 

 

I've never actually seen an "FB" 3000G. I suspect they exist only in ES form. I would expect no performance difference, if they did indeed release a few with the original Raven Ridge die.

 

What part number is listed on your CPU's box, if you have it? Slow PC's are usually because of a spinning HDD nowadays.

Well most of the none es 3000g I can buy in my region ends in FB, actually I cherry picked an FH to flash my gigabyte b450 Mobo bios. It seems like older (pre/early 2020?) 3000g end in FB. I'm tempted to buy an FB just to see how different they are. I don't trust software like cpuid but also not interested in delidding tho. 

[aman_muhammed515]

I have an Athlon 300g with raven ridge

 

[svmlegacy]

3 hours ago, aman_muhammed515 said:

I have an Athlon 300g with raven ridge

 

Model 1 Stepping 0 should be Raven Ridge... 

 

Do you have a picture of the IHS or the Box's part number?

[Kairos Zenith]

Hey, i know this thread is old (very old) at this point, but i think there's some relevent info for others that might come searching the interwebs, especially since AMD has re-released the 3000G at the end of 2023.  So there's newer boxed versions of this with new packaging and a better wraith cooler in the box, instead of the smaller pain ole aluminum heat sink that mine came with.  Although i just used my old FX wraith cooler on mine  

 

 Well, i've been searching some info on my 3000G because i was wanting to build a new 2nd computer to replace my OLD one that was still on pci-e 2.0 platform.  i figured since i had this processor, extra DDR4 ram, and everything else, all i needed a good motherboard that had pcie-4.0 to step up to some faster speeds.  i ended up getting the Gigabyte B550I AORUS Pro AX.  i made sure i got one that had two M.2 slots, one that ran from the motherboard at pcie-4.0 and one that ran from the CPU.  The M.2 that run from the 3000G is only going to run at pcie-3.0 for now but i definitely plan on upgrading to Ryzen 5000 at some point to get both of them running at pcie-4.0.  a lot of ppl don't realize both M.2 slots on their motherboard might not run at pci-4.0 because their processor only handles 3.0

 

i'm not an overclocking expert, but i over clocked the CPU to 4.1 GHz, but backed it down to 4.0GHz.  i got the GPU part of it to 1600 MHz.  The problem i'm having is trying to overclock the memory.  i have 32GB of GSkill B-Die and i can't get it over 3400 MT/s. i've slowed the timings down to 20 and tried to inch the speeds up, but even at the next increment of 3466 it won't boot up with that speed.  The memory temps usually hover around 35c. i've seen it occasionally pop up to 42c, but rarely. 

 

i've had one thing to try that i've been putting off ..... i did see my motherboard has 1 BIOS update for mine and it says there's an update for Picasso on there (probably for the re-release of the Athlon 3000G and the Athlon Golds), but that's also the confusing part on this CPU as everyone on this thread was talking about.  Are they including this (my 3000G) processor in the "Picasso" update.  The reason i've been putting off the BIOS update, is i've seen some motherboards have compatibility for older CPUs from the manufacturer, but in order for them to make room for the newer Ryzen 5000 CPUs in the BIOS, they had to get rid of some of the older CPU compatibility to fit the newer ones in the BIOS memory. i've seen some motherboards say they can use the Ryzen 5700G, but not at first.  You needed a processor already compatible, which is why i bought the 3000G to begin with.  i needed it to run the motherboard on my new HTPC motherboard, just so i could update to the newer BIOS that would run the Ryzen 5700G. Then i didn't even need that 3000G anymore because i put my 5700G in the motherboard. Which is why i had a 3000G just laying around.

 

Well, that's a whole nother can or worms, but i just need to make sure the 3000G will still be compatible after the BIOS update.  It most like will because i think most of the boards that did that were older boards that came out before the Ryzen 5000 series came out.  The motherboard i just got was pretty new and it was the 1.3 version.  So they probably designed it to fit all those processors and made room for the newer ones to come out in the BIOS as well.  i just want to make sure before i do it.  Even if it does make it to where i can't use the 3000G, i would probably just keep the motherboard anyway and just get a newer processor, cuz i like the board.  This was supposed to be a cheap build, but i might even switch out the ATX power supply to a SFX size too, just so i can fit my hard disc drives in the bottom of the cube case (Thermaltake core v1 Snow Edition).  There's no room for 3.5" HDD in the bottom with the ATX power supply in there. 

 

i figured i would put this info out there because there were several different issues that popped up during this build that don't normally come up and the issue of a "newer" version of the old 3000G that ppl need to realize are out there if you're looking to buy one now.  So i guess that means there's 3 boxed version of this processor, lol.   If someone wants to leave some tips for memory OC, that's fine, but i think i covered most of the normal basics at this point.  i might not mess with it again until i update the BIOS.  Also, i took a screenshot of 3 different programs showing different info on the CPU code name and processing technology and even years later with updated information out there, they still give different info and names, lol. 

 

*Edit:  Also forgot to mention that i'm running this 3000G on Windows 11. It seems i have the version that can run it while the other version supposedly won't work on Windows 11.  i guess that might also verify which version it is, or at least Microsoft is counting Dalil in as Picasso, lol.  i saw this posted on the forum on Microsoft's website ..... 

"Windows 11 will not recognize the Raven Ridge version only the Picasso version."  

 

 

 

 

 

[Beerzerker]

It's the same basic thing as back when AMD first made Deneb for AM3, then revised it with a different stepping and other changes that really made it a different chip but it kept the Deneb name.

I'm not suprised at all there have been changes to the Athlon "G" series lineup because it's one that's kinda in a weird place. It's a low powered chip that could be suitable for a lappy yet it's a desktop chip and the majority of people want something with a bit of kick to it, more than the G series can provide on average.

Great little chip for office work and web browsing but that's about it - Any real gaming with it is just "Right Out" because of what it is in the first place.
Since the majority of these chips are what they are, don't expect blazing fast RAM speeds from these chips because you won't get it.

I do have one (220G) and...... I HATE it because it kills USB functionality in Win 7 (Whether it was working before or not) and that was something MS was behind to try and force folks to go Win 10. It even disable's the OS ability to install USB drivers after it's been swapped back out for a different chip but (Heh-Heh ) I figured out a way around that one too.
They claimed (As an excuse) the hardware for AM4 woudn't work with Win 7 but that's total bullshit - Running an AM4 right now that works fine with this hardware and Win7 ran together.
Aside from that it works but I have need of Win 7 for some things and that's why I won't run it - However in Linux it all works just fine.

[svmlegacy]

@Kairos Zenith

 

If it's any consolation, I've never seen a BIOS update drop support of any Zen based chip. The excavator based chips, yes, but never my 3000G, Raven Ridge or Dali versions.