Amd Vs Intel and Gtx vs Rtx

[The curious James]

Budget (including currency): US 2000

Country: Us

Games, programs or workloads that it will be used for: Upcoming microsoft flight simulator, GTA V, Smite, minecraft, tf2, call of duty.

Other details

 https://pcpartpicker.com/user/Jamesthebuilder/saved/#view=Nwb9NG

https://pcpartpicker.com/user/Jamesthebuilder/saved/#view=BJdVcf

So I was getting the 2080 SUPER instead of 107 ti. 

My only questions are 1070 ti vs 2080 supper.

Is 16gb enough ram.

Yes I know I kneed a capture card, keyboard, and mouse, 

[Fasauceome]

Are you going from the first build to the second build?

 

Also, what does "GTX vs ATX" mean

[The curious James]

first 

[AMD A10-9600P]

Just now, Fasauceome said:

Are you going from the first build to the second build?

 

Also, what does "GTX vs ATX" mean

He must've meant GTX vs RTX, something about a 2080 and a 1070ti

[The curious James]

Just now, bengeoghegan11 said:

He must've meant GTX vs RTX, something about a 2080 and a 1070ti

yes

[The curious James]

Just now, The curious James said:

yes

I'm trying to figure about which one better performance per dollar 

[Fasauceome]

2 minutes ago, The curious James said:

first 

What does this mean?

[The curious James]

6 minutes ago, The curious James said:

Budget (including currency): US 2000

Country: Us

Games, programs or workloads that it will be used for: Upcoming microsoft flight simulator, GTA V, Smite, minecraft, tf2, call of duty.

Other details

 https://pcpartpicker.com/user/Jamesthebuilder/saved/#view=Nwb9NG

https://pcpartpicker.com/user/Jamesthebuilder/saved/#view=BJdVcf

So I was getting the 2080 SUPER instead of 107 ti. 

My only questions are 1070 ti vs 2080 supper.

Is 16gb enough ram.

Yes I know I kneed a capture card, keyboard, and mouse, 

I'm trying to figure about which one better performance per dollar

[The curious James]

Just now, Fasauceome said:

What does this mean?

sorry this is my first build 

[Fasauceome]

Just now, The curious James said:

I'm trying to figure about which one better performance per dollar 

By a long shot ryzen. Hundreds of dollars cheaper with the same class of performance, and a much, much better upgrade path.

[AMD A10-9600P]

1 minute ago, The curious James said:

yes

Difference between GTX and RTX is that RTX cards have ray tracing, if you're looking exclusively at the 1070 vs the 2080 then you'll want to go for the 2080, it's much newer and with a $2000 budget I doubt you'll want to go for older parts

[5x5]

The 6850K is a LOT slower than the 3600X and the 1070 To is also a lot slower than the 2080. The answer is more than clear

[Aereldor]

I would not spend $2,000 on a gaming PC if avoidable. IMO that's way too much money, but if you want, this is just about the best you can build for that price...
 

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: Intel Core i7-10700K 3.8 GHz 8-Core Processor  ($409.99 @ Best Buy) 
CPU Cooler: be quiet! Dark Rock Pro 4 50.5 CFM CPU Cooler  ($89.90 @ Amazon) 
Motherboard: ASRock Z490 Phantom Gaming 4 ATX LGA1200 Motherboard  ($144.99 @ Newegg) 
Memory: G.Skill Aegis 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3200 CL16 Memory  ($59.99 @ Newegg) 
Storage: ADATA SU800 1 TB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive  ($60.80 @ Amazon) 
Video Card: MSI GeForce RTX 2080 SUPER 8 GB VENTUS XS OC Video Card  ($683.98 @ Newegg) 
Case: GameMax Kage ATX Mid Tower Case  ($40.04 @ Amazon) 
Power Supply: SeaSonic FOCUS Gold 550 W 80+ Gold Certified Semi-modular ATX Power Supply  ($99.99 @ B&H) 
Monitor: MSI Optix MAG341CQ 34.0" 3440x1440 100 Hz Monitor  ($449.99 @ Adorama) 
Keyboard: Kingston HyperX Alloy FPS Pro Wired Gaming Keyboard  ($69.99 @ Best Buy) 
Mouse: Razer DeathAdder Elite Wired Optical Mouse  ($41.99 @ Amazon) 
Total: $2151.65
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2020-05-29 08:36 EDT-0400

 

[Dedayog]

2 minutes ago, Aereldor said:

I would not spend $2,000 on a gaming PC if avoidable. IMO that's way too much money, but if you want, this is just about the best you can build for that price...
 

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: Intel Core i7-10700K 3.8 GHz 8-Core Processor  ($409.99 @ Best Buy) 
CPU Cooler: be quiet! Dark Rock Pro 4 50.5 CFM CPU Cooler  ($89.90 @ Amazon) 
Motherboard: ASRock Z490 Phantom Gaming 4 ATX LGA1200 Motherboard  ($144.99 @ Newegg) 
Memory: G.Skill Aegis 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3200 CL16 Memory  ($59.99 @ Newegg) 
Storage: ADATA SU800 1 TB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive  ($60.80 @ Amazon) 
Video Card: MSI GeForce RTX 2080 SUPER 8 GB VENTUS XS OC Video Card  ($683.98 @ Newegg) 
Case: GameMax Kage ATX Mid Tower Case  ($40.04 @ Amazon) 
Power Supply: SeaSonic FOCUS Gold 550 W 80+ Gold Certified Semi-modular ATX Power Supply  ($99.99 @ B&H) 
Monitor: MSI Optix MAG341CQ 34.0" 3440x1440 100 Hz Monitor  ($449.99 @ Adorama) 
Keyboard: Kingston HyperX Alloy FPS Pro Wired Gaming Keyboard  ($69.99 @ Best Buy) 
Mouse: Razer DeathAdder Elite Wired Optical Mouse  ($41.99 @ Amazon) 
Total: $2151.65
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2020-05-29 08:36 EDT-0400

 

I'd look at the i5 10600K actually too.    From reviews it seems to be a better value, GN just gave it the best Gaming CPU title.

[Rancidpunk]

PCPartPicker Part List

Type	Item	Price
CPU	Intel Core i5-10600K 4.1 GHz 6-Core Processor	$299.99 @ B&H
CPU Cooler	Cooler Master Hyper 212 Black Edition 42 CFM CPU Cooler	$38.99 @ Amazon
Motherboard	Asus TUF GAMING Z490-PLUS ATX LGA1200 Motherboard	$179.99 @ Amazon
Memory	G.Skill Trident Z RGB 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3600 CL18 Memory	$92.99 @ Newegg
Storage	Intel 660p Series 512 GB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive	$74.99 @ B&H
Storage	Seagate BarraCuda 1 TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive	$44.99 @ Newegg
Video Card	Asus GeForce RTX 2070 SUPER 8 GB STRIX GAMING Advanced Video Card	$584.99 @ Best Buy
Case	Fractal Design Meshify C ATX Mid Tower Case	$99.98 @ Newegg
Power Supply	Cooler Master MWE Gold 750 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply	$119.99 @ Best Buy
	Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
	Total	$1536.90
	Generated by PCPartPicker 2020-05-29 08:48 EDT-0400

 

[Aereldor]

2 minutes ago, Dedayog said:

I'd look at the i5 10600K actually too.    From reviews it seems to be a better value, GN just gave it the best Gaming CPU title.

Correct. With that you can fit a 2080 ti into a $2500 budget. I think that's absurd, but on the other hand it'll be future proofed through the next 8 years.
 

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: Intel Core i5-10600K 4.1 GHz 6-Core Processor  ($299.99 @ B&H) 
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 Black Edition 42 CFM CPU Cooler  ($38.99 @ Amazon) 
Motherboard: ASRock Z490 Phantom Gaming 4 ATX LGA1200 Motherboard  ($144.99 @ Newegg) 
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws V 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3600 CL18 Memory  ($66.99 @ Newegg) 
Storage: ADATA SU800 1 TB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive  ($60.80 @ Amazon) 
Video Card: Asus GeForce RTX 2080 Ti 11 GB Dual OC Video Card  ($1179.99 @ Newegg) 
Case: GameMax Kage ATX Mid Tower Case  ($40.04 @ Amazon) 
Power Supply: Corsair CXM 650 W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-modular ATX Power Supply  ($94.99 @ Best Buy) 
Monitor: MSI Optix MAG341CQ 34.0" 3440x1440 100 Hz Monitor  ($449.99 @ Adorama) 
Keyboard: Kingston HyperX Alloy FPS Pro Wired Gaming Keyboard  ($69.99 @ Best Buy) 
Mouse: Razer DeathAdder Elite Wired Optical Mouse  ($41.99 @ Amazon) 
Total: $2488.75
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2020-05-29 08:49 EDT-0400

[Aereldor]

1 minute ago, Rancidpunk said:

 

• Why would you ever recommend a mechanical drive. It's $45 for a slow POS 1tb mech, and this SSD is 1tb and $60... 
  https://pcpartpicker.com/product/hCjJ7P/adata-su800-1-tb-m2-2280-solid-state-drive-asu800ns38-1tt-c
   
• OP needs a monitor and peripherals.

[Dedayog]

Just now, Aereldor said:

Correct. With that you can fit a 2080 ti into a $2500 budget. I think that's absurd, but on the other hand it'll be future proofed through the next 8 years.
 

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: Intel Core i5-10600K 4.1 GHz 6-Core Processor  ($299.99 @ B&H) 
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 Black Edition 42 CFM CPU Cooler  ($38.99 @ Amazon) 
Motherboard: ASRock Z490 Phantom Gaming 4 ATX LGA1200 Motherboard  ($144.99 @ Newegg) 
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws V 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3600 CL18 Memory  ($66.99 @ Newegg) 
Storage: ADATA SU800 1 TB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive  ($60.80 @ Amazon) 
Video Card: Asus GeForce RTX 2080 Ti 11 GB Dual OC Video Card  ($1179.99 @ Newegg) 
Case: GameMax Kage ATX Mid Tower Case  ($40.04 @ Amazon) 
Power Supply: Corsair CXM 650 W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-modular ATX Power Supply  ($94.99 @ Best Buy) 
Monitor: MSI Optix MAG341CQ 34.0" 3440x1440 100 Hz Monitor  ($449.99 @ Adorama) 
Keyboard: Kingston HyperX Alloy FPS Pro Wired Gaming Keyboard  ($69.99 @ Best Buy) 
Mouse: Razer DeathAdder Elite Wired Optical Mouse  ($41.99 @ Amazon) 
Total: $2488.75
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2020-05-29 08:49 EDT-0400

Well yeah, but he only has a $2000 budget Plus, you put a 2080Ti in a $40 case. No way.

 

I'd want more storage too.

 

But regardless, if the OP only has a choice between a couple prebuilts... it's been answered.

[Aereldor]

16 minutes ago, Dedayog said:

Well yeah, but he only has a $2000 budget Plus, you put a 2080Ti in a $40 case. No way.

 

I'd want more storage too.

 

But regardless, if the OP only has a choice between a couple prebuilts... it's been answered.

Case was parametric for cheapest tempered glass atx tower. OP can change it... Doesn't really make a difference. 

It's not as stupid as recommending an HDD in 2020 

[Rancidpunk]

2 hours ago, Aereldor said:

• Why would you ever recommend a mechanical drive. It's $45 for a slow POS 1tb mech, and this SSD is 1tb and $60... 
  https://pcpartpicker.com/product/hCjJ7P/adata-su800-1-tb-m2-2280-solid-state-drive-asu800ns38-1tt-c

Why wouldn't you use a mechanical drive as extra media storage when there's a 500gb nvme for the OS and games if he wants faster loading?

 

The 1tb you linked to is $120 and he can get 4tb mech storage for that price. 

[Aereldor]

17 hours ago, Rancidpunk said:

Why wouldn't you use a mechanical drive as extra media storage when there's a 500gb nvme for the OS and games if he wants faster loading?

 

The 1tb you linked to is $120 and he can get 4tb mech storage for that price. 

It was $60 when I linked it. 1TB SSD at $100 - even SATA - is like 9-10 times faster than your dinosaur mech drive. NVMe SSDs can also be found for around $100 for 1TB, and they're even faster. 3x price for maybe 12x the speed and the same amount of space? No brainer. 

[Rancidpunk]

19 minutes ago, Aereldor said:

It was $60 when I linked it. 1TB SSD at $100 - even SATA - is like 9-10 times faster than your dinosaur mech drive. NVMe SSDs can also be found for around $100 for 1TB, and they're even faster. 3x price for maybe 12x the speed and the same amount of space? No brainer. 

Why do you need such fast storage for a system that has an nvme boot drive?

 

On partpicker SSD's start at $0.093 per Gb and HDD's begin around $0.027 per Gb so he can get huge amounts of storage for a third of the cost while still having a fast boot drive.

[Aereldor]

2 hours ago, Rancidpunk said:

Why do you need such fast storage for a system that has an nvme boot drive?

 

On partpicker SSD's start at $0.093 per Gb and HDD's begin around $0.027 per Gb so he can get huge amounts of storage for a third of the cost while still having a fast boot drive.

It's a $500gb NVMe drive. If you want more than a handful of games installed at a time, that's not going to cut it. The total price for your 500gb nvme drive and a 1tb dino drive is $120. 

The 2TB version of that Intel 660p drive has been as low as $200... And it's not even the fastest. There are plenty of NVMe 1TB SSDs for less than $120. 

SSDs are also infinitely more reliable - even the cheap ones. And you're not recommending a server-class HDD that's actually reliable, it's the asshat 1tb barracude that cost $45 in 2015 and is $45 now, in 2020.

It's not just games. Having a fast SSD for storage makes all the difference in the world when you're editing video. If you're editing audio with large enough files, it makes a difference there too. If you have an enormous library of offline music, it's going to make a colossal difference there. 

There's a reason an SSD is the #1 upgrade people make to an old machine and the upgrade that makes the most difference to the user experience, and not just as a boot drive.

You're being defensive, not logical. There is no reason to recommend an HDD even at a $300 budget, and this guy can pay 2 fucking grand. 

[Aereldor]

@The curious James don't listen to this guy. Under no circumstances should you buy an HDD unless you're trying to build a 20tb media server or something. 

[Rancidpunk]

So why would you recommend expensive storage to someone trying to build a gaming rig?

 

He's not editing video or audio or we would be telling him to buy Ryzen so any money he can save on unnecessary costs can go towards a better GPU.

 

When are you actually going to explain why he needs this faster expensive storage?