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F@H Web Client Dark Skin with PPD comparison by GPU / WU

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HI everyone,  Quick update. 

 

There was some server updates today to deal with server resource issues so sorry if you  were impacted by some strangeness like WU averages etc. being a little strange while this occurred.

 

In addition to the cleanup you will now find that for GPU projects the Atoms and Cause is reported on the slots.

Atoms and Cause coming to CPU slots soon.

 

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The PPD indicator has been updated so there is a +/- 10% tolerance for the red or green indicators coming on for when you GPU slot is operating within this "Average" range making it a more useful indication as to when PPD is out of the ordinary.

 

Project pages on the database site have been updated to show the Atoms, Core and project branch status of projects.

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And CPU based project pages (link found in the CPU slots in the web client) now contain the BETA charts for PPD-PLC (PPD per logical processor) as that system builds data and is under review.

 

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These client based updates will trickle in to the wild over the next couple hours and take effect with a refresh of the page when they do.

13 hours ago, shorttack said:

Found your sight last weekend and joined immediately. Giving you 3090, 3080, and 2080 super clients.

 

What I can't explain is why my clients are doing so much better than your average clients? The 3090 is doing 51.5% better than the database average on project 13428, yet my machine is an Ivy Bridge_E 4-core from maybe eight years ago. However, almost all my clients run Linux Mint 19. My Windows testing never came near to a 50% Windows penalty.

 

Any ideas? Any thoughts for new features that allowed you access to folding client platform data?

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Hi, thanks for installing!

 

Aside from what the others have said, Linux is better PPD, faster cards people tend to downclock... etc.

Project 13428 has historically been a poor performing project on 30 series systems.   What may have happened is F@H / Project team has modified the project WUs or bonuses as I can see these kinds of fluctuations in the data that are bigger than just normal daily adjustments.

For the newer 30 series cards I know from what I'm running F@H is leaving a lot of GPU power on the table right now, so hopefully they are further optimizing work units for the newer cards. 

All that said... I have been collecting WU data from the client by OS for a couple months now and with the most recent version of the website deployed I can start working out the best way to convey that data on the site and in the client.   

Right now you are seeing the GPU / Project average, but I want to get it so you are seeing the GPU / Project average by your OS as well for better comparisons.   

But then I need that info on the site side by side as well for when people freak-out someone says they are getting way higher / lower PPD on the same cards not taking OS and drivers in to account. :)

For now, just keep folding, you might have gotten some project test WUs that are just faster running and higher reward and they will be washed out by the average of all work, or you're setting the new trend for the project if it's higher reward or more productive now on your GPU and that will start to creep up in the "Average PPD" over time until it levels off to around what your system is producing.

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FYI: Google has changed the way they review the extension sometime around 12AM EST today and therefore I have to resubmit it updated.

 

It has to do with the CPU tracking feature, they are suggesting the app does not use the CPU permission, and you can't have an app that asks for permissions it does not use... meanwhile it showing CPU names, logical processors and their PPD suggests otherwise.

I assume it's a matter of review automation not being able to tell how it's used, and it's hopefully resolved quickly.


Kinds feeling like Luc with floatplane app fun right now.  

I will update once back online.

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Hi all, quick update for today!

 

For those that have not found it already, information on the site for GPUs now shows the average PPD and the separate Windows & Linux PPD averages with this more detailed information also being send to the web client so the WU Reward indicators are more fair based on the OS you're running.

The web client has also had the default Start / Stop functionality stripped in favor or direct buttons that just do what you expect them to without the popup window first.

For users running F@H 7.6.14 or higher this also adds a dedicated Finish button in addition to changing the start / stop to "Fold / Pause".

If you are below F@H 7.6.14 you will only see the fold and pause button as finish is not supported before this or was broke by F@H updates at some point.

These updates should trickle out to your clients over the next 24 hours or so.

Cheers,

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1 hour ago, A-J-M said:

At FAH, they are playing with the stats https://github.com/FoldingCommunity/fah-stats-front-end/ and making a new stats page: https://statsbeta.foldingathome.org/

And somehow it seems to break the Dark extension (total points and team), at least for non LTT members, albeit the standard Web Control is not affected. 

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A patch has already been pushed to account for their changes Monday morning.
When they did their initial update on the weekend they broke the stats / user API URLs for both clients. 

We applied a hotfix to get around the issue fixing it in the dark mode extension, looks like they have restored the originals finally.

You need to update the extension to version 1.1.4. to see the update.   Cheers

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Not sure if this is a problem or not but I'm getting a "not enough data samples" message for P13452. I myself have done 52 of them in the last few days but I don't know how many samples you need to have them in the database.

 

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On 6/6/2021 at 3:43 AM, marknd59 said:

Not sure if this is a problem or not but I'm getting a "not enough data samples" message for P13452. I myself have done 52 of them in the last few days but I don't know how many samples you need to have them in the database.

 

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I saw this, the issue is the project throws a 404 on their API, like they were handing out work units but did not add it to the project list, so I can't get the ID, to store the data correctly, once F@H ads it' to the DB for the API, my end will pick it up and associate all the back data.   It's why their project description window does not load as well.

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EDIT: n/m, seems to be updating again!

 

Is the GPU database not updating?  I haven't seen stats updates since Tuesday morning.  I don't recall the update frequency but I thought it was at least once a day.

 

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On 6/24/2021 at 9:38 AM, Justaphf said:

EDIT: n/m, seems to be updating again!

 

Is the GPU database not updating?  I haven't seen stats updates since Tuesday morning.  I don't recall the update frequency but I thought it was at least once a day.

 

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You were right to call it out, the publishing service was stuck.   Thanks for letting me know.

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On 7/26/2021 at 8:52 AM, marknd59 said:

Me and some others are having a problem with F@H in the dark. It just stopped working. It lost the LTT skin and is just sitting with everything saying loading.

 

@LAR_Systems can you take alook at this problem please. thanks.

 

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I'm hoping you will find it back online now.

 

Looks like something changed on server/browser communication, made a couple changes and loos like its running for me.

 

You might need to clear browser caches to see it go right away.

 

Cheers,

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1 hour ago, LAR_Systems said:

I'm hoping you will find it back online now.

 

Looks like something changed on server/browser communication, made a couple changes and loos like its running for me.

 

You might need to clear browser caches to see it go right away.

 

Cheers,

Yes it's working again. Thanks

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Not trying to hijack this thread, but have been unable to contact the developer of FAHintheDark. The info@folding.lar.systems email address couldn't be reached.

 

Original message:

 

I just ran across your gpu rankings and chrome extension. Cool!

The GPU rankings seem to be off...multiple listings for the same card type (gtx 1070 for example), and cards that are obviously lower being ranked higher,
I have a GTX 1070 and see nowhere near the ppd that you have listed. I get ~350k max. I also can never get any info on the little WU graphs in the chrome extension. 
 
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On 9/2/2021 at 2:02 PM, pursual said:

Not trying to hijack this thread, but have been unable to contact the developer of FAHintheDark. The info@folding.lar.systems email address couldn't be reached.

 

Original message:

 

I just ran across your gpu rankings and chrome extension. Cool!

The GPU rankings seem to be off...multiple listings for the same card type (gtx 1070 for example), and cards that are obviously lower being ranked higher,
I have a GTX 1070 and see nowhere near the ppd that you have listed. I get ~350k max. I also can never get any info on the little WU graphs in the chrome extension. 
 
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Hi,

There are multiple 1070s and other GPUs with duplicate records because they will be slight variations on the model as identified by F@H client (and shown under the card name) so the records are kept separate as the different revisions, mobile units etc. behave differently with different firmware/hardware.

 

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In terms of the ranks, they are based on real-time data that is collected form users using the extension and are averaged across different work units and projects which have different PPD rewards that can and do change.

 

As for you card reporting low PPD.   The image in your post appears to be broken so can't see what card / issue you are showing... but if you are seeing dramatically lower PPD and you are new to folding you may not have an API key setup which will give you far less PPD than those values reported in the database as they only record PPD values for users with a F@H API key.


Otherwise I would need to see the issue / know what hardware and work unit you are on to review further.

Cheers,

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