is an RTX 2080Ti overkill for my i5 8600k

[jimboza1]

as title states
CPU is OC to 4.7Ghz, very stable under 75c, im looking to go up from my GTX 1070, but i dont want to get a new GPU in the next couple years, so im really looking at a 2080Ti, maybe even a used one
i play mostly somewhat heavy games, like Apex Legends, Borderlands 3 etc and am currently running 1080p 144hz, while i am looking to go for 1440p at 144hz, i just want to know if my CPU and the 2080Ti will be a good fit for eachother or there will be significant bottlenecks

 

kind regards,

jimboza1

[ki8aras]

right now, no you should be okay but when the new consoles come out and games become much more demanding on the cpu you're gonna have a problem

[jimboza1]

Just now, ki8aras said:

right now, no you should be okay but when the new consoles come out and games become much more demanding on the cpu you're gonna have a problem

Hmm yes ok, but at that time I'll probably go Zen3 or whatever the best thing is then, thanks for the quick reply

[191x7]

9 minutes ago, jimboza1 said:

as title states
CPU is OC to 4.7Ghz, very stable under 75c, im looking to go up from my GTX 1070, but i dont want to get a new GPU in the next couple years, so im really looking at a 2080Ti, maybe even a used one
i play mostly somewhat heavy games, like Apex Legends, Borderlands 3 etc and am currently running 1080p 144hz, while i am looking to go for 1440p at 144hz, i just want to know if my CPU and the 2080Ti will be a good fit for eachother or there will be significant bottlenecks

 

kind regards,

jimboza1

The i5 6-core would severely bottleneck the 2080Ti on anything under 4K and maybe a little on 4K.

[jimboza1]

5 minutes ago, 191x7 said:

The i5 6-core would severely bottleneck the 2080Ti on anything under 4K and maybe a little on 4K.

Well I'm also kinda eyeballing a whole new PC with i9 9900k and 2080ti, this post was mostly to know if I should invest in a new CPU.

 

[191x7]

1 minute ago, jimboza1 said:

Well I'm also kinda eyeballing a whole new PC with i9 9900k and 2080ti, this post was mostly to know if I should invest in a new CPU.

 

i9 9900K is a bad choice right now, the new 10 core 20 threads Intel CPU that comes in a few days will have a lower price.

[Sophia_Borjia]

I would wait before buying that much card yet.  Unless you need to replace broken gpu I would wait until we have some announcements on new cards this year.  Both new amd and nvidia should be noticeably faster then 2080 ti.  We will see so combination of faster hardware for same price, new super high end, and/or price drop of old in fall/winter. 

 

Nvidia should have multiple new cards that make ti seem slow, we just don't know if they are pushed back to next spring or $2000 yet.  All we now for sure is higher performance is near.  Something is at least going to be in reviewers hands by cyberpunk 2077 release, could just be paper launch of $3000 titan or could be actual release of better fps per dollar cards.

 

5700xt is midrange card of previous gen to what is coming, big navi may not keep up with 3080ti, but should be much faster then 2080ti, and probably cheaper.

 

I would wait until we are close enough to get pretty accurate leaks/rumors.  Right now anything accurate is to hard to weed out of fakes other then very general info.

[Sophia_Borjia]

There is also 8 core for same socket with actual new architecture, with alleged ipc gains to outperform 10 core even in multi-thread coming late in year/early next year.  i9 9900k may be 6th fastest gaming chip in under a year.  Very risky time to upgrade cpu/gpu.

 

My plan is to wait till fall and decide if should get new cpu/gpu on launch or grab current chips at big discount on black friday when they are not top of line anymore and stores are clearing out old models with discounts.

[jimboza1]

10 minutes ago, Sophia_Borjia said:

I would wait before buying that much card yet.  Unless you need to replace broken gpu I would wait until we have some announcements on new cards this year.  Both new amd and nvidia should be noticeably faster then 2080 ti.  We will see so combination of faster hardware for same price, new super high end, and/or price drop of old in fall/winter. 

 

Nvidia should have multiple new cards that make ti seem slow, we just don't know if they are pushed back to next spring or $2000 yet.  All we now for sure is higher performance is near.  Something is at least going to be in reviewers hands by cyberpunk 2077 release, could just be paper launch of $3000 titan or could be actual release of better fps per dollar cards.

 

5700xt is midrange card of previous gen to what is coming, big navi may not keep up with 3080ti, but should be much faster then 2080ti, and probably cheaper.

 

I would wait until we are close enough to get pretty accurate leaks/rumors.  Right now anything accurate is to hard to weed out of fakes other then very general info.

well thats just the thing, dont you think the 2080Ti will hold its value for a long time? im talking a few years, maybe 5. and yes, the new 10th gen stuff from intel is right around the corner, but from the numbers i see (i9-10900X), its not really that much of a difference from top of the line 9th gen stuff (and dont forget its still fricking 14nm), all difference if 2/4 more cores/threads and a different socket than 9900k, so a motherboard swap is also needed.(when i said a whole new pc, i meant just a cpu and gpu upgrade, maybe psu if needed). am i wrong or is the 10th gen stuff not really that much of a difference?

[jimboza1]

16 minutes ago, Sophia_Borjia said:

There is also 8 core for same socket with actual new architecture, with alleged ipc gains to outperform 10 core even in multi-thread coming late in year/early next year.  i9 9900k may be 6th fastest gaming chip in under a year.  Very risky time to upgrade cpu/gpu.

 

My plan is to wait till fall and decide if should get new cpu/gpu on launch or grab current chips at big discount on black friday when they are not top of line anymore and stores are clearing out old models with discounts.

i'm from europe, so no real black friday here, while discounts are a thing on 'black friday', they're not nearly as good as in the USA, but yes the newer stuff will likely make the older stuff cheaper, its just that my pc now is kinda lacking for performance, and i want the features of RTX, while also insuring myself from buyin anything in the near future, since i really think the 2080Ti will be good enough for gaming in a few years. This post started as a bottleneck question but as it turns out, i will need a whole new system if i want to future-proof my pc. i will most likely keep a close eye on deals and not get a full-priced GPU/CPU for now, but if there is a good deal or a great 2nd hand GPU, i will go for that. thanks for all the advice and stay healthy

[Sophia_Borjia]

The 2080ti might be slower then a $600 card in 6 months.  If things being said pan out, it could be slower then 3060 with rtx on.  Replacement for 3000 series is already getting ready for production.

 

Intel 11th gen is coming out is coming out in under year, so i9-9900k would be 4th fastest intel.  Amd could also have several chips beating it by then.

 

I9-9900k and 2080ti now is about like getting ps4 right now.  You may end up needing new cpu/mobo/gpu again in a 12-18 months.  

 

It seems we are getting big jump from every company soon.  I figure even threadripper and rtx titans could seem midrange in couple years way it is looking.

[Gamer Schnitzel]

The problem is that we do not know anything about the new cards whatsoever so it is impossible to give advise.

 

I do remember reading however that the new cards will be able to render raytracing easier with less performance loss. You write that you want a card with raytracing but the thing is that none of the current cards can run raytracing smoothly so if you really care about raytracing you should wait for the next generation unless you're fine with losing a good chunk of frames for raytracing.

[191x7]

But, the thing is, Raytracing as the one we have now is, likely, a thing of the past. The DirectX 12 "Super" version of RTX has some minor differences but the new Nvidia cards and the upcoming AMD cards that support it will probably have fewer issues running that raytracing than the cards available now. I can't recommend the 2080Ti at this time, maybe not even the 2080 Super unless gaming 4K.

[Sophia_Borjia]

That is pretty much my point, we don't know what is coming other then all 4 companies have a lot on unannounced products.coming soon.

 

What we do know points to at least some of the new stuff being massive performance gain.  NVIDIA just announced next gen data center cards, 8x performance of last gen.  No way they would release that big of jump in consumer cards, but 2060 to 2080ti is less then 2x increase.  Several upcoming releases could be all hype, odds of all of them not panning out are low.

[jimboza1]

1 minute ago, 191x7 said:

But, the thing is, Raytracing as the one we have now is, likely, a thing of the past. The DirectX 12 "Super" version of RTX has some minor differences but the new Nvidia cards and the upcoming AMD cards that support it will probably have fewer issues running that raytracing than the cards available now. I can't recommend the 2080Ti at this time, maybe not even the 2080 Super unless gaming 4K.

the new amd card will have RT? didnt know that, but i didnt say raytracing specifically, i said RTX features, like the encoder and RTX voice, but the 3000 series will 100% have that too, so yes maybe i will wait until august(?) for an RTX 3080

[jimboza1]

2 minutes ago, Sophia_Borjia said:

That is pretty much my point, we don't know what is coming other then all 4 companies have a lot on unannounced products.coming soon.

 

What we do know points to at least some of the new stuff being massive performance gain.  NVIDIA just announced next gen data center cards, 8x performance of last gen.  No way they would release that big of jump in consumer cards, but 2060 to 2080ti is less then 2x increase.  Several upcoming releases could be all hype, odds of all of them not panning out are low.

GPU wise nvidia and AMD seem similar for the next releases, but in the CPU world i dont see a win for intel, but yes, waiting for the 3000 series or big navi might be a good idea

[Sophia_Borjia]

New amd will have pretty much all the features, just different names for some of them.  AMD should have card faster then rtx titan soon, nvidia releasing a new faster titan to stay number one.

[jimboza1]

1 minute ago, Sophia_Borjia said:

New amd will have pretty much all the features, just different names for some of them.  AMD should have card faster then rtx titan soon, nvidia releasing a new faster titan to stay number one.

then maybe a full AMD build in 2021 isnt such a bad idea

[Sophia_Borjia]

intel has announced 3 chips coming in next year faster then i9-9000k, and decent chance if rumors turn out ryzen takes fastest crown and has 3-4 faster chips then i9-9900k.  To soon to tell, we should have announcements and pretty good guesses by mid summer.

[Patrik_]

1 hour ago, jimboza1 said:

as title states
CPU is OC to 4.7Ghz, very stable under 75c, im looking to go up from my GTX 1070, but i dont want to get a new GPU in the next couple years, so im really looking at a 2080Ti, maybe even a used one
i play mostly somewhat heavy games, like Apex Legends, Borderlands 3 etc and am currently running 1080p 144hz, while i am looking to go for 1440p at 144hz, i just want to know if my CPU and the 2080Ti will be a good fit for eachother or there will be significant bottlenecks

 

kind regards,

jimboza1

I mean the whole idea of RTX 2080ti is bullshit, just dont buy it for sake of all customers... 

[Sophia_Borjia]

We also know early work on geforce 4000 is going on, so 3000 series could only last a year brfore faster gpus come out.  I don't think we have seen all the companies trading blows like this since maybe the pentium extreme edition/athlon 64 days, if it happen more recently I missed it.

[Sophia_Borjia]

Integrated graphics on consoles is coming out with near 2080ti, and raytracing.  So in 2 years a rtx 2080ti could be igpu performance.  Right now, future has so many unknowns I don't think future proofing could be done no mater the budget.

[jimboza1]

7 minutes ago, Sophia_Borjia said:

Integrated graphics on consoles is coming out with near 2080ti, and raytracing.  So in 2 years a rtx 2080ti could be igpu performance.  Right now, future has so many unknowns I don't think future proofing could be done no mater the budget.

wait what? i knew the next gen consoles would be great, but 2080Ti performance seems like a bit of a stretch, remember consoler cost about 400-500 usd/euro

[Sophia_Borjia]

yeah, they may be selling at loss when first released, but rumor is replacement for  for 2060 is 4x raytracing performance of 2080ti.  2060 wasn't suppose to be beating 1080ti when rtx was coming out. 

 

Some leaked numbers put consoles between 2080 super and ti, I would call that "near ti", ti still faster.  Big navi rdna2 is suppose to be much faster then that, 3000 series faster then rdna2, and year and half for hopper 4000 series to be faster then that.

 

I wouldn't want to pay price of rtx 2080ti and 18 months later find out $200 cards are beating it.  I would wait until we know if these rumors are all false before spending $1700 on 2080 and i9. 

 

I'm sure some are wrong, but I doubt all of them are that far off.  I would have said the 8x performance of a100 nvidia just announced was insane and no way true, but I watched The ceo pull it out of his oven Thursday.  That is bigger jump is performance and performance per dollar then any of rumors have been.  It seems very likly to me 2080 ti will soon be mid to low end performance, and new high end could be a $2000 3080ti beating multiple titan rtx in sli.

 

I heard a few rumors of 24 core on am4, and with zen 3 they may be beating i9-9900k in single thread.  If amd comes out with triple multicore of 9900k and same single core, I'd pay $1000+ on launch day and be raving about the bargain.  Lower end of ipc gain holding current clock on 16 cores would be amazing, and that is the conservative estimate, there have been some things about 50% ipc in all core workloads.  If these ryzen 4000 rumors pan out, could get performance like you overclocked threadripper 24core to 5ghz from stock ryzen 9.  They pull that off, they should sell it as ryzen r11, performance knob cranked to 11 out of 10.

 

Half this stuff is even close, bad time to buy.  Also, many tech tubers saying don't buy.  They may know some of what is coming but not be allowed to say it yet.  Last time I remember them saying don't buy like this was when the zen+ and intel hedt were about to have sales price cuts of about 50%. and before that when AMD was about to announce 16 core to replace 8 core as top chip.

[jimboza1]

16 minutes ago, Sophia_Borjia said:

yeah, they may be selling at loss when first released, but rumor is replacement for  for 2060 is 4x raytracing performance of 2080ti.  2060 wasn't suppose to be beating 1080ti when rtx was coming out. 

 

Some leaked numbers put consoles between 2080 super and ti, I would call that "near ti", ti still faster.  Big navi rdna2 is suppose to be much faster then that, 3000 series faster then rdna2, and year and half for hopper 4000 series to be faster then that.

 

I wouldn't want to pay price of rtx 2080ti and 18 months later find out $200 cards are beating it.  I would wait until we know if these rumors are all false before spending $1700 on 2080 and i9. 

 

I'm sure some are wrong, but I doubt all of them are that far off.  I would have said the 8x performance of a100 nvidia just announced was insane and no way true, but I watched The ceo pull it out of his oven Thursday.  That is bigger jump is performance and performance per dollar then any of rumors have been.  It seems very likly to me 2080 ti will soon be mid to low end performance, and new high end could be a $2000 3080ti beating multiple titan rtx in sli.

 

I heard a few rumors of 24 core on am4, and with zen 3 they may be beating i9-9900k in single thread.  If amd comes out with triple multicore of 9900k and same single core, I'd pay $1000+ on launch day and be raving about the bargain.  Lower end of ipc gain holding current clock on 16 cores would be amazing, and that is the conservative estimate, there have been some things about 50% ipc in all core workloads.  If these ryzen 4000 rumors pan out, could get performance like you overclocked threadripper 24core to 5ghz from stock ryzen 9.  They pull that off, they should sell it as ryzen r11, performance knob cranked to 11 out of 10.

 

Half this stuff is even close, bad time to buy.  Also, many tech tubers saying don't buy.  They may know some of what is coming but not be allowed to say it yet.  Last time I remember them saying don't buy like this was when the zen+ and intel hedt were about to have sales price cuts of about 50%. and before that when AMD was about to announce 16 core to replace 8 core as top chip.

i agree, if even half of the rumors are true, 2021 will be an insane year for PC parts, even for buying a console, kinda tempted to get an xbox or PS next year, when they've settled a bit and sales happen. i have decided to wait a bit for getting new PC parts, it was more the thing that my 1070 is already kind of lacking in the games i play, but i guess she can hold it a couple more months. so i'm gonna go for a nice 2000-3000$ PC in winter 2020/21 i think. thanks for the help