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COVID-19 - READ THE RULES BEFORE REPLYING

Just now, dalekphalm said:

Actually the full name is this:

Severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2)

 

There is no "SARS 2 CoV-19" - I've never heard of that descriptor. I suppose it's possible that some organization is using that descriptor, but the official name is either "SARS-CoV-2" or "Severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2".

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Severe_acute_respiratory_syndrome_coronavirus_2

You are right :D

Thank you for correcting me.

Just now, dalekphalm said:

People call it Coronavirus for the same reason we call the Flu The Flu, or Influenza (which is a family of viruses) instead of calling it the specific influenza strain.

 

It's annoying, yes, but when literally anybody who isn't an infecious disease expert says "Cornoavirus", I think we can all assume they're talking about SARS-CoV-2 - which people call "COVID-19" as well.

 

For clarification, COVID-19 is the Coronavirus Disease 2019 - it's the disease caused by SARS-CoV-2. Most people just use COVID-19 to refer to it all though - myself included in most cases.

I think we should call it SARS 2 :P

Just like we call Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome - SARS

Just now, dalekphalm said:

This is kind of true, but also kind of false.

 

The common cold is caused by multiple different viruses, including Rhinovirus, and "Common Human Coronaviruses". In fact, according to my research, Rhinovirus causes the vast majority of cases of the Common Cold:

So it's more accurate to say that there is a variation of the common cold that is a Coronavirus.

2 minutes ago, dalekphalm said:

All good information here.

Thanks :)

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1 minute ago, Vishera said:

You are right :D

Thank you for correcting me.

No problem - we all make mistakes, myself included. I hope I wasn't coming off as an asshole. I like it when people correct me too - as long as we're polite about it anyway xD

1 minute ago, Vishera said:

I think we should call it SARS 2 :P

Just like we call Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome - SARS

I wouldn't oppose that - but in general discussion, people would just call it COVID or COVID-19 instead, I think - but "SARS 2" would also be perfect acceptable to me.

 

One thing I think everyone including the media gets wrong is not differentiating between SARS-CoV-2 and COVID-19.

For example - asymptomatic people would technically not be COVID-19 cases, right? Since COVID-19 is the disease caused by the virus, and a disease has symptoms. If you have no symptoms, technically you don't have that disease (It's the same thing between HIV and AIDS).

 

So all these trackers should really be called "SARS-CoV-2 cases". In practice, does that matter? No - I don't think so.

1 minute ago, Vishera said:

So it's more accurate to say that there is a variation of the common cold that is a Coronavirus.

Yes that's correct. 

1 minute ago, Vishera said:

Thanks :)

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37 minutes ago, Vishera said:

The world basically waits for the vaccines,so we have to fight SARS 2 CoV-19 (the full name is a lot longer) until then.

Even then, we will be in a fight. Don’t forget about the deniers and anti vaxers. 

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Just now, Donut417 said:

Even then, we will be in a fight. Don’t forget about the deniers and anti vaxers. 

Just don't let them to get back to jobs and schools until they are vaccinated.

Vaccines have eliminated or nearly eliminated a large number of diseases,despite the existence of "anti vaxers".

Polio is a good example for it.

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Just now, Donut417 said:

Even then, we will be in a fight. Don’t forget about the deniers and anti vaxers. 

Yep, Facebook is already filled with comments about how people won't get the vaccine.

 

Now, if you're an American, I would have been hesitant about any vaccine that the President rushed through approval before the election, but now that that's over, I'm a little more trusting.

 

Granted, I won't get one until it's approved by Health Canada - and I fully trust their vetting process. I for one will be lined up to get one as soon as it's approved, and if multiple are approved and available, whichever one I deem the "best" based on the research.

 

But realistically all 3 of the most prominent ones seem extremely similar in effectiveness (Oxford/Zeneca, Pfizer, and Moderna I believe) - all of them are 90%+ effective (tentative - wait for the research papers to be published and peer reviewed), and so far at least, all of them provide at least 6 months of protection (likely to be much longer, but they've only had people injected for 6 months now tops).

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2 minutes ago, Vishera said:

Just don't let them to get back to jobs and schools until they are vaccinated.

Vaccines have eliminated or nearly eliminated a large number of diseases,despite the existence of "anti vaxers".

Polio is a good example for it.

That might work in some countries, but in the US, people would probably lose their shit if the vaccine was tied to employment or something like that.

 

Schools shouldn't be too much trouble - most school boards already have mandatory vaccine lists. Exemptions will be key here - some places have exemptions based on non-medical needs.

 

I of course 100% support medical exemptions for vaccines - some people will literally die if they take a vaccine due to one medical issue or another they have. But I do not support religious or moral objections for those same vaccine lists.

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2 hours ago, Vishera said:

Just don't let them to get back to jobs and schools until they are vaccinated.

Public schools can mandate vaccines, but there are easy ways to get your kids exempt. Employers outside the healthcare industry can’t do shit. 

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4 hours ago, Vishera said:

Just don't let them to get back to jobs and schools until they are vaccinated.

Vaccines have eliminated or nearly eliminated a large number of diseases,despite the existence of "anti vaxers".

Polio is a good example for it.

I don't think everyone should be vaccinated. We should vaccinate only the medically needy, i.e. seniors in retirement homes and medical personnel such as ICU doctors and EMS. 

 

Students should be getting a quick test every month and quarantining for a week until another negative test is administered. 

 

I still don't trust the vaccine trials done in the US given the fast-tracks and profit motive of the companies. 

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Just now, ARikozuM said:

I don't think everyone should be vaccinated. We should vaccinate only the medically needy, i.e. seniors in retirement homes and medical personnel such as ICU doctors and EMS. 

Even a perfectly healthy person can die from it,

Everyone should be vaccinated period,human lives are not a game and no risks should be taken.

3 minutes ago, ARikozuM said:

Students should be getting a quick test every month and quarantining for a week until another negative test is administered. 

It's very ineffective,especially with the incubation period of the virus at play.

 

4 minutes ago, ARikozuM said:

I still don't trust the vaccine trials done in the US given the fast-tracks and profit motive of the companies. 

We will see how it goes,but don't forget that there are other countries with more strict rules in the matter.

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Germany went on a "mini-lockdown" this November and the preliminary consensus on todays video conference of the minister-presidents of all the Bundesländer was that the lockdown is supposed to continue until December 20, but the "final result" will be made official on Wednesday. Doesn't surprise me, given the fact that the numbers are apparently not going down. According to the curve on Google, the results go down significantly every two days and the days in between we seem to be getting a new all-time high. The graph looks quite epic :D

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13 hours ago, ARikozuM said:

I don't think everyone should be vaccinated. We should vaccinate only the medically needy, i.e. seniors in retirement homes and medical personnel such as ICU doctors and EMS. 

I agree, at least in the beginning. Eventually everyone should be vaccinated tho

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16 hours ago, ARikozuM said:

I don't think everyone should be vaccinated. We should vaccinate only the medically needy, i.e. seniors in retirement homes and medical personnel such as ICU doctors and EMS. 

Hard disagree here - Yes, those people should be the first to be vaccinated, but eventually the vast majority of the population should be vaccinated.

16 hours ago, ARikozuM said:

Students should be getting a quick test every month and quarantining for a week until another negative test is administered. 

That's all well and good (and should be happening already, but it's not) as a short term solution, but cannot be used as a permanent solution.

16 hours ago, ARikozuM said:

I still don't trust the vaccine trials done in the US given the fast-tracks and profit motive of the companies. 

You're thinking too small. Plenty of vaccine trials were done outside of the US. Additionally, at least one (possibly more) of the vaccine manufacturers has already pledged to sell the vaccine at-cost, so that should at least help alleviate the profit motive.

 

Countries like Canada aren't just going to take the US's word for it that the vaccine is "fine". We will be demanding peer reviewed research before any approvals are made.

16 hours ago, Vishera said:

Even a perfectly healthy person can die from it,

Exactly - there are people who have died while being young and seemingly healthy. And even those that survive often have to battle for months and months with long term complications - some of those people will live with these complications for the rest of their lives.

16 hours ago, Vishera said:

Everyone should be vaccinated period,human lives are not a game and no risks should be taken.

Caveat here - some people legitimately cannot get vaccinated due to medical issues. Though this group is statistically tiny - a small fraction of a percent of the population.

16 hours ago, Vishera said:

It's very ineffective,especially with the incubation period of the virus at play.

Yes, the virus spreads too quickly, and symptoms are not readily apparent until potentially days or more than a week after you've started spreading it around.

16 hours ago, Vishera said:

We will see how it goes,but don't forget that there are other countries with more strict rules in the matter.

Exactly this. Countries like the UK, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, Germany, etc are not going to just blindly approve a vaccine just because the Americans did.

 

With that in mind, now that President-Elect Biden has been given transitional powers (finally), he will have some say in the matter of ensuring that any vaccine approvals are above board.

3 hours ago, Parideboy said:

I agree, at least in the beginning. Eventually everyone should be vaccinated tho

That's how it'll have to be regardless - vaccines will be in very short supply initially, so each country will have to ration them and decide somehow how to distribute them.

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Here we used to get 200 to 300 Covid cases a day. Now it’s 1,500 a day. 😱

 

But I’ve noticed that people are buying smaller portions for Thanksgiving. Meaning some are actually adhering to the CDC’s advice not to travel this year for turkey day.

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Well, it has been discussed in Germany that a) not every person has to use a shopping cart anymore, one per family is enough. And b) that every person in a store of below 800m² in size has 20m² of space ensured and in a store above 800m² in size 25m² per person. They came up with this solution even though they have no idea how that should be enforced or regulated. 🤦🏻‍♂️

Typically politicians. We want this and that, but who is gonna ensure that it is happening? IDGAF 🤷🏻‍♂️

Also, it was discussed that the winter break in school is supposed to be starting from Dec 16 instead of Dec 21 as it was originally planned to be.

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On 11/24/2020 at 9:54 AM, dalekphalm said:

With that in mind, now that President-Elect Biden has been given transitional powers (finally), he will have some say in the matter of ensuring that any vaccine approvals are above board.

Just to note, none of the fast-tracking that was done should in anyway effect the scientific study of the safety and effectiveness of the vaccines, it just allowed the viruses to jump the lines to get approved by the FDA (essentially, they read their reports/studied their data immediately after receiving instead of it queueing) and allowed them to run concurrent trials (but any issues would still set them back to preliminary stages).

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49 minutes ago, Blade of Grass said:

Just to note, none of the fast-tracking that was done should in anyway effect the scientific study of the safety and effectiveness of the vaccines, it just allowed the viruses to jump the lines to get approved by the FDA (essentially, they read their reports/studied their data immediately after receiving instead of it queueing) and allowed them to run concurrent trials (but any issues would still set them back to preliminary stages).

Be that as it may, you can understand now non-Americans are at least somewhat concerned about the FDA's processes, given the political climate.

 

With that in mind, the peer reviewed science will be critical here. Personally I don't believe in any of the conspiracies that say the vaccines are dangerous or rushed unnecessarily. While Pharma companies are for profit, they're also very long term focused companies. A drug or vaccine may take a decade to pay for itself. It's not in their best interests to kill off a bunch of potential customers. Nor is it in their best interest to ruin their own reputation by putting a vaccine out that is dangerous.

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1 minute ago, Neysh said:

I hope everything will be alright soon.

Only when vaccines are widely distributed and adopted. You may not see waves as big as we've seen without a vaccine (viruses tend to peter out as they evolve into milder forms and people develop resistance), but a timely return to something normal-ish requires an artificial boost.

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Hands looking like prunes because it’s cold and I have to wash my hands often. 
 

That’s why you don’t need to buy the more expensive antibacterial soaps to wash away the coronavirus. They tend to be harsher and they cause more problems.

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5 hours ago, like_ooh_ahh said:

Hands looking like prunes because it’s cold and I have to wash my hands often. 
 

That’s why you don’t need to buy the more expensive antibacterial soaps to wash away the coronavirus. They tend to be harsher and they cause more problems.

 

I have skin issues, it's always worse in winter. Thankfully, I already had cream that I prefer (some cream leave your skin oily, I hate that). Was already using cream because of the regular hand washing, so it's not too bad now that cold / winter is here.

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The actor for Darth Vader in the original Star Wars Trilogy is the latest big name lost to Covid-19.

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Edit: Oh no... another big name, 7-time F1 World Champion Lewis Hamilton has been diagnosed with COVID-19. Mercedes-AMG Petronas confirms he will not partake in the Sakhir GP. His replacement driving alongside Bottas has yet to be announced. 

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Sorry if everyone's talking about vaccines but, https://linustechtips.com/profile/685825-piratemonkey/?status=283374&type=status

 

Tldr vaccines (namely Pfizer's) are getting approved, and Britain could start using them as soon as the 7th of this month. Still not a huge amount of info afaik for Canada tho :(

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I hope these vaccines are actually safe and we don't see people start dropping like flies after doses start getting administered.

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On 11/30/2020 at 5:33 AM, like_ooh_ahh said:

Hands looking like prunes because it’s cold and I have to wash my hands often. 

 

On 11/30/2020 at 11:05 AM, wkdpaul said:

 

I have skin issues, it's always worse in winter. 

 

I think I once had skin.

 

 

 

(getting older, being careless around knives and tools, and playing bass turned my hands into hobbit feet :P)

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21 hours ago, piratemonkey said:

Tldr vaccines (namely Pfizer's) are getting approved, and Britain could start using them as soon as the 7th of this month. Still not a huge amount of info afaik for Canada tho :(

Well, my city is definitely turning a youth hostel into a vaccination centre. Although I have no idea when we are getting the vaccines.

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