Motherboards x79, x99 from China

[Ferretto9]

Hello. I'm going to build a new PC. I really liked the lga 2011 platform, because of the low cost of xeon.
To various models of Motherboard, some dubious models.

The brand that most caught my attention was Huananzhi, but there are many models of that brand (the models are listed below).

I want to know the difference between these models. Benefits / harms, supports overclocking, among others. Thankful.

Manufacturer's website:

http://www.huananzhi.com/html/1/183/index.html

 

X79 Deluxe Motherboard
X99-TF MOTHERBOARD
X99-AD3 V3.0Motherboard
X99-T8 Motherboard
X99-AD3 Motherboard
X79 2.49 Motherboard
X79 2.49 Motherboard V2.1
X79 PLUS Motherboard
X79 PRO Motherboard

[Fasauceome]

X79 and X99 motherboards are not compatible with the same CPUs.

[Ferretto9]

3 hours ago, Fasauceome said:

X79 and X99 motherboards are not compatible with the same CPUs.

What? As not, the vast majority of xeon are on the lga2011 platform. Or I didn't understand your answer.

[Fasauceome]

8 minutes ago, Ferretto9 said:

What? As not, the vast majority of xeon are on the lga2011 platform. Or I didn't understand your answer.

LGA 2011 and LGA 2011-3, which correspond to X79 and X99 respectively, are not compatible with one another in terms of CPUs.

 

For example, you cannot use an i7-4930K in an X99 motherboard, and you cannot use an i7-5820K in an X79 motherboard. They both have 2011 pads on the back, but are not in the same support generation.

[RostHaus]

I"m considering the same thing for a cheap workstation.

The x99 boards you are looking at use E5 V3 CPUs and the X79s use E5 V2 CPUs.

 

 

The difference between all the x99 mobos is small, its mostly PCI slot types. But some may or may not support both DDR3 and DDR4 ram.

 

I've narrowed it down to the Gaming X99-TF mobo.  Because of its adaptability.  Its one of the few that will support both DDR3 and DDR4 ram. Which means can throw just about any E5-V3 in it with the corresponding ram. This allows some potential upgrade combinations as DDR4 gets cheaper and the higher end Xeons go down in price.

 

As for CPUs, I'm looking at:

2620 v3 - DDR4 only, but the CPU is currently $14 USD

2640 v3 - DDR4 only.  around $50

2678 V3 - DDR3 and DDR4.  about $100. The cheapest V3 that can accept DDR3, I believe.

 

To the best of my Knowledge the only V3 Xeons that can support DDR4 or DDR3 are: E5-2678 v3, E5-2696 v3, E5-2629 v2, E5-2649 v3, E5-2669 v3, E5-2672 v3, and E5-2673 v3.

[Ferretto9]

19 hours ago, Fasauceome said:

LGA 2011 and LGA 2011-3, which correspond to X79 and X99 respectively, are not compatible with one another in terms of CPUs.

 

For example, you cannot use an i7-4930K in an X99 motherboard, and you cannot use an i7-5820K in an X79 motherboard. They both have 2011 pads on the back, but are not in the same support generation.

Um, I understand your answer. I know that the models x79 and x99, are different. Thankful.

[Fasauceome]

6 minutes ago, Ferretto9 said:

Um, I understand your answer. I know that the models x79 and x99, are different. Thankful.

What CPUs are you primarily considering using? What are they going to be used for?

 

Usually cheap Chinese motherboards combo super well with amazing CPU deals , so you're not guaranteed to get better value out of an old Xeon that you are out of a ryzen CPU

[Ferretto9]

14 hours ago, RostHaus said:

I"m considering the same thing for a cheap workstation.

The x99 boards you are looking at use E5 V3 CPUs and the X79s use E5 V2 CPUs.

 

 

The difference between all the x99 mobos is small, its mostly PCI slot types. But some may or may not support both DDR3 and DDR4 ram.

 

I've narrowed it down to the Gaming X99-TF mobo.  Because of its adaptability.  Its one of the few that will support both DDR3 and DDR4 ram. Which means can throw just about any E5-V3 in it with the corresponding ram. This allows some potential upgrade combinations as DDR4 gets cheaper and the higher end Xeons go down in price.

 

As for CPUs, I'm looking at:

2620 v3 - DDR4 only, but the CPU is currently $14 USD

2640 v3 - DDR4 only.  around $50

2678 V3 - DDR3 and DDR4.  about $100. The cheapest V3 that can accept DDR3, I believe.

 

To the best of my Knowledge the only V3 Xeons that can support DDR4 or DDR3 are: E5-2678 v3, E5-2696 v3, E5-2629 v2, E5-2649 v3, E5-2669 v3, E5-2672 v3, and E5-2673 v3.

Thank you very much for your reply. How cool that you are building a PC with the lga2011 platform. When deciding on the pieces, share with us. I intend to get the E5 2650 v2, it has a great cost benefit.

[Ferretto9]

2 minutes ago, Fasauceome said:

What CPUs are you primarily considering using? What are they going to be used for?

 

Usually cheap Chinese motherboards combo super well with amazing CPU deals , so you're not guaranteed to get better value out of an old Xeon that you are out of a ryzen CPU

I plan to buy the E5 2650 V2. I work with video editing, 3D, and games, when prices go down I will get an RX 580 8GB.

[Fasauceome]

2 minutes ago, Ferretto9 said:

I plan to buy the E5 2650 V2. I work with video editing, 3D, and games, when prices go down I will get an RX 580 8GB.

how much is this CPU costing you compared to a used Ryzen 7 1700/2700? I was interested in those chinese X79 boards and saw that they were still more expensive than decent AMD B450 motherboards, so you might want to do a comparison directly.

[Ferretto9]

16 minutes ago, Fasauceome said:

how much is this CPU costing you compared to a used Ryzen 7 1700/2700? I was interested in those chinese X79 boards and saw that they were still more expensive than decent AMD B450 motherboards, so you might want to do a comparison directly.

The price difference is big between the E5 2650 V2 and the ryzen 7.
I live in Brazil, so the dollar price interferes a lot.

Xeon 2650 V2 R $ 280,00 Reais / 49 Dollar.

Ryzen 7 1700 R $ 640.00 Reais / 111.98 Dollar

[Fasauceome]

5 minutes ago, Ferretto9 said:

The price difference is big between the E5 2650 V2 and the ryzen 7.
I live in Brazil, so the dollar price interferes a lot.

Xeon 2650 V2 R $ 280,00 Reais / 49 Dollar.

Ryzen 7 1700 R $ 640.00 Reais / 111.98 Dollar

best deal I've seen in a while, so that should justify it a little bit

 

these chinese motherboards are criticized for their weak VRMs, so if you did target something really cheap, a downdraft cooler will ease the burden of the heat sinks a little bit, should make the board run more comfortably.

[Ferretto9]

2 hours ago, Fasauceome said:

best deal I've seen in a while, so that should justify it a little bit

 

these chinese motherboards are criticized for their weak VRMs, so if you did target something really cheap, a downdraft cooler will ease the burden of the heat sinks a little bit, should make the board run more comfortably.

I chose Huananzhi plates, because they have cooler vrms.
Concerning the excessive temperature of the vrms, if I use a water cooler, it would damage the temperature of the vrms. Air cooler is better for vrms, or I got it wrong.
There are two models listed above, which have active heat sinks. thankful

[Fasauceome]

10 minutes ago, Ferretto9 said:

Concerning the excessive temperature of the vrms, if I use a water cooler, it would damage the temperature of the vrms. Air cooler is better for vrms, or I got it wrong.

normal tower coolers can be a tiny bit better for VRM temps, but if you did want to directly improve temps:

https://www.amazon.com/ARCTIC-Liquid-Freezer-All-One/dp/B07WP6M7P7?tag=gamersnexus01-20

it has a fan specifically for VRM cooling.

 

There is also an ROG water cooler with a fan for VRM cooling but it is crazy expensive.

[Ferretto9]

1 hour ago, Fasauceome said:

normal tower coolers can be a tiny bit better for VRM temps, but if you did want to directly improve temps:

https://www.amazon.com/ARCTIC-Liquid-Freezer-All-One/dp/B07WP6M7P7?tag=gamersnexus01-20

it has a fan specifically for VRM cooling.

 

There is also an ROG water cooler with a fan for VRM cooling but it is crazy expensive.

Thanks for the recommendation.

[RostHaus]

On 5/6/2020 at 1:30 PM, Ferretto9 said:

Thank you very much for your reply. How cool that you are building a PC with the lga2011 platform. When deciding on the pieces, share with us. I intend to get the E5 2650 v2, it has a great cost benefit.

NP,

Btw i don't know if you've seen this youtuber's stuff. But he's a wealth of information on chinese X99s and Xeons.

 

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC8h2Sf-yyo1WXeEUr-OHgyg

[RostHaus]

I ended up with a little different combo than I originally thought, but its been great.

 

I went with the Killisre D4, 16gb of DDR4 and the 2620 v3.

 

To my surprise the Bios had been updated with turbo boost unlock enabled. 

I paired it with a  RX570 and Silicon Power P34A80 NVMe.

 

Beyond the fact that 2 of the 4 sata ports will be covered by larger GPUs, I have very little to complain about.

 

The only cons I've found over the last month of use:

-its a little finnicky when swapping GPUs, such at intel to amd, even when un-installing drivers ahead of time. sometimes amd drivers need to be rolled back to for full use. I've had this happen with some big brand boards so its not too much of a issue.

 

-It does not like the stress of heavier GPUs, when mounted vertically. Horizontally mounting the Mobo will fix this. I put it in a Thermaltake Core v21 for its final build location.

 

-I cannot get some older Microsoft Xbox accessories to work with the mobo. It just doesn't seem to like the drivers, even when you force them on to say an Xbox 360 wireless adapter. Not much of a problem, just the first time I've had this issue with any w10 build,

 

Other than that I really like it. And would definitely build another down the road.  I'm probably going to upgrade this one in a few months, add one of the 12 to 24 core V3s and put in 32gb of ram.

 

In all I think I spend:

$120 - mobo, ram, cpu

$25 - ARCTIC Freezer 33 eSports ONE

$50 - Themaltake 500w PSU

$50 - Silicon Power 256gb ssd NVMe gen 3

$60 - Thermaltake Core v21

$110 - AsRock Phantom Rx570.

 

Just over $400 in new parts doesn't seem too bad, considering I wasn't expecting to need a new case. But I do like all the new drive space. I filled up sata slots with old ssds and hdds I had laying around, strictly for storage.