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how is it that the 3600x has a TDP of 95W https://www.amd.com/en/products/cpu/amd-ryzen-5-3600x

but the 3700x has a TDP of 65W? https://www.amd.com/en/products/cpu/amd-ryzen-7-3700x

 

the 3600 coomes with the wraith stealth cooler meant for 65W TPD, the 3600x comes with the Spire, and the 3700x comes with the Prism. 

I assume the Spire and Prism are rated for 95W and 105W respectively.

 

why would AMD list the 3700x as a 65W TPD? does anyone have this CPU that could show me some stats? CPU-ID? personal heat tests? 

 

I want to put this in an ITX rig with a Noctua l9a cooler, but the l9a only supports 65W TDP. what's the chances this will even remotely work? i'm doubtful.

I do not understand why AMD would publish a LOWER rating for a higher tier CPU and a HIGHER rating for a lower tier CPU

We can't Benchmark like we used to, but we have our ways. One trick is to shove more GPUs in your computer. Like the time I needed to NV-Link, because I needed a higher HeavenBench score, so I did an SLI, which is what they called NV-Link back in the day. So, I decided to put two GPUs in my computer, which was the style at the time. Now, to add another GPU to your computer, costs a new PSU. Now in those days PSUs said OCZ on them, "Gimme 750W OCZs for an SLI" you'd say. Now where were we? Oh yeah, the important thing was that I had two GPUs in my rig, which was the style at the time! They didn't have RGB PSUs at the time, because of the war. The only thing you could get was those big green ones. 

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TDP stands for thermal design power or, depending who you ask, thermal design profile. The TDP number tells you the maximum heat a computer chip, such as a CPU or GPU, can use in watts. It also is often used as a basic indicator of power consumption

TDP stands for Thermal Design Power, and is used to measure the amount of heat a component is expected to output when under load. For example, a CPU may have a TDP of 90W, and therefore is expected to output 90W worth of heat when in use

 

so the ryzen 7 3700s is expected to use 65w under load. but in my pc it uses around 100-120w when ocercloked. your cooler will work fine with the ryzen 5 3600x

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8 minutes ago, VioDuskar said:

how is it that the 3600x has a TDP of 95W https://www.amd.com/en/products/cpu/amd-ryzen-5-3600x

but the 3700x has a TDP of 65W? https://www.amd.com/en/products/cpu/amd-ryzen-7-3700x

 

the 3600 coomes with the wraith stealth cooler meant for 65W TPD, the 3600x comes with the Spire, and the 3700x comes with the Prism. 

I assume the Spire and Prism are rated for 95W and 105W respectively.

why would AMD list the 3700x as a 65W TPD? does anyone have this CPU that could show me some stats? CPU-ID? personal heat tests? 

I want to put this in an ITX rig with a Noctua l9a cooler, but the l9a only supports 65W TDP. what's the chances this will even remotely work? i'm doubtful.

Someone had a similar question in the past, so I'm going to be lazy this time and quote myself:

On 4/14/2020 at 3:33 PM, minibois said:

They are quite similar under load, which is somewhat impressive considering the fact that the 3700X has 33% more cores/threads.

https://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/amd_ryzen_5_3600x_review,7.html

https://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/amd_ryzen_7_3700x_ryzen_9_3900x_review,7.html

 

Full load:

3600X: 155W

3700X: 165W

Single thread load:

3600X: 105W

3700X: 109W

 

It's 65W vs. 95W TDP on the 3700X and 3600X respectively after all.

 

The more fair comparison with power consumption is likely 3600X vs. 3800X and 3600 (non-X) vs. 3700X.

So simply put, they do consume very similar amounts of power. (thus would output similar amounts of waste heat)

 

Unfortunately they did not tests the CPU's with the same coolers. The 3600X was done with a stock cooler while the 3700X test was done with an EK set.

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1 minute ago, SavageNeo said:

TDP stands for thermal design power or, depending who you ask, thermal design profile. The TDP number tells you the maximum heat a computer chip, such as a CPU or GPU, can use in watts. It also is often used as a basic indicator of power consumption

TDP stands for Thermal Design Power, and is used to measure the amount of heat a component is expected to output when under load. For example, a CPU may have a TDP of 90W, and therefore is expected to output 90W worth of heat when in use

 

so the ryzen 7 3700s is expected to use 65w under load. but in my pc it uses around 100-120w when ocercloked. your cooler will work fine with the ryzen 5 3600x

I understand TDP, however, i do not understand why AMD would publish a LOWER rating for a higher tier CPU and a HIGHER rated for a lower tier CPU

We can't Benchmark like we used to, but we have our ways. One trick is to shove more GPUs in your computer. Like the time I needed to NV-Link, because I needed a higher HeavenBench score, so I did an SLI, which is what they called NV-Link back in the day. So, I decided to put two GPUs in my computer, which was the style at the time. Now, to add another GPU to your computer, costs a new PSU. Now in those days PSUs said OCZ on them, "Gimme 750W OCZs for an SLI" you'd say. Now where were we? Oh yeah, the important thing was that I had two GPUs in my rig, which was the style at the time! They didn't have RGB PSUs at the time, because of the war. The only thing you could get was those big green ones. 

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OK the way this works in reality land here.....

 

65w is the TDP or thermal design point of the max P-state of the Cpu under a load, not it's boost clocks under a load which will greatly differ.

 

These Ryzen cpus are overclocked from the factory and is why the actual number you see under a load is different than advertised.

 

If you where to disable all the OC stuff, CPB PBO and XFR and run only the max p-state frequency and voltage, you'd see the TDP to be accurate to the advertisement. 

 

 

 

 

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