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Upgraded computor. high cpu temp idle?

Hello LTT forums. I have a little thing that baffles me.

 

I just upgraded my rig. Installed a AMD Ryzen 5 3600.

New motherboard, new ram, new drives and so on. (Upgrade reason was the ram).

 

The thing that baffles me is this.
I had a Ryzen 5 1600X before. I use the same cooler.

Cooler Master Masterair MA610P. 180W Cooling.

the 1600X is a 95W TDP.

The new 3600, is a 65W TDP.

The 1600X was idle at 30-35 degrees Celsius. I found this good.

But... the 3600. Ide at 50-60 degrees celsius...

I double checked so the cooler sits on correctly. it does. the paste is even across the cpu. I havent changed chassi. (Phanteks Enthoo Pro M)
Fans blow correctly. 4 fans blow out on top and back, and 3 fans in front blow air in.

.. Why does the 3600, who has lower watt tdp, idle at higher temps?

Thermal paste is Arctic MX-4. I did a reinstall after i put in the new parts so it cant be the drivers.

 

Any ideas people?

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did you make sure that there is no dust clogging up your fans?

 

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It shouldn't make that much difference to your temps but you should have 4 fans for intake and 3 for exhaust to maintain positive pressure in your case - helps to stop dust getting in.

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They idle pretty high because they boost very aggressively. The load temps are really what is important, what are they?

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4 hours ago, pranav p said:

did you make sure that there is no dust clogging up your fans?

 

Its clean, blow out the chassi and all parts with compressd air 2 weeks ago.
 

 

4 hours ago, Rancidpunk said:

It shouldn't make that much difference to your temps but you should have 4 fans for intake and 3 for exhaust to maintain positive pressure in your case - helps to stop dust getting in.

Front is 3, 140mm fans at like 75% speed.
top, is 3, 120mm fans at 60% speed.

back, is 1 120mm fan at 60%speed.
That, and i have ait filters so im not worried :)
 

4 hours ago, schwellmo92 said:

They idle pretty high because they boost very aggressively. The load temps are really what is important, what are they?

I did try play Mount and Blade Bannerlord, and in battle with like 1k units, cpu was on 60-70% load, and heat went to 60-75 degrees.
Should i be worried?

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bad cooler mount or bad paste application. remove cooler, wipe/clean the paste off and try again

 

It is not recommended to put the cooler on, take it off to check the spread, then put it back on, this can introduce air bubbles.

 

 

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 I did a reinstall after i put in the new parts so it cant be the drivers.

if you JUST reinstalled, then windows is likely downloading updates and finalizing setup in the background which can put load on the CPU so it's not actually idling.

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15 minutes ago, ProfeMacKnight said:

I did try play Mount and Blade Bannerlord, and in battle with like 1k units, cpu was on 60-70% load, and heat went to 60-75 degrees.
Should i be worried?

No those temps are fine, don't worry unless you start getting to about 85c, the max temp is 95c.

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2 hours ago, Arika S said:

bad cooler mount or bad paste application. remove cooler, wipe/clean the paste off and try again

It is not recommended to put the cooler on, take it off to check the spread, then put it back on, this can introduce air bubbles.

if you JUST reinstalled, then windows is likely downloading updates and finalizing setup in the background which can put load on the CPU so it's not actually idling.

I always replace the paste... but yes, i know many dont do, but I do.

No, updates finnished way before i started notice.

 

2 hours ago, schwellmo92 said:

No those temps are fine, don't worry unless you start getting to about 85c, the max temp is 95c.

OK. I did tweak the bios on the fanspeed a bit, it now on lowest will be at like 35% fanspeed for the CPU. 100% at 60.
Now idle when nothing is going on at 45. Im ok with this :)

 

Thanks to everyone for helping.

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If anyone wanna see, this is my rig.
I think ''REACTOR'' when i see it ^_^

 

Dont mind the cables. I know many are cable nerds :)

20190812_185942.jpg

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What's CPU voltage at? Are you OCing?

 

I'd say temps are ok but a little high for your cooler.

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stock voltage? Havent changed it and havent checked, And no OC.
it does boost however.

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11 hours ago, ProfeMacKnight said:

I always replace the paste... but yes, i know many dont do, but I do.

No, updates finnished way before i started notice.

 

OK. I did tweak the bios on the fanspeed a bit, it now on lowest will be at like 35% fanspeed for the CPU. 100% at 60.
Now idle when nothing is going on at 45. Im ok with this :)

 

Thanks to everyone for helping.

100% at 60 if way too aggressive haha make it like 100% at 80, your rig will be loud as fuck.

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1 hour ago, schwellmo92 said:

100% at 60 if way too aggressive haha make it like 100% at 80, your rig will be loud as fuck.

the cooler is max 40 db. its not loud for me :)

 

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17 minutes ago, ProfeMacKnight said:

the cooler is max 40 db. its not loud for me :)

 

Ok but just seems silly to crank the fan to 100% at 60c. Excess noise and more wear on the fans.

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12 hours ago, Demonic Donut said:

What's CPU voltage at? Are you OCing?

 

I'd say temps are ok but a little high for your cooler.

checked the bios. This is the factory settings on the board. (Gigabyte X570 UD)

 


CPU VCORE; AUTO - 1.382V

VCORE SOC; AUTO - 1.100V

CPU VDD18; AUTO - 1.800V

CPU VDDP; AUTO - -------

PM_CLO12; AUTO - 1.200V

PM_1V8; AUTO - 1.800V

PM_1VSOC; AUTO - 1.000V

DRAM VOLTAGE; AUTO - 1.200V

DDRVPP VOLTAGE; AUTO - 2.500V

DRAM TERMINATION; AUTO - 0.600V

 

CPU CLOCK CONTROL; AUTO - 100.00 MHZ

CPU RATIO MODE; ALL CORES

CPU CLOCK RATIO; AUTO - 36.00

6 minutes ago, schwellmo92 said:

Ok but just seems silly to crank the fan to 100% at 60c. Excess noise and more wear on the fans.

Sigh. Ok, 70 degrees before 100% then.

 

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6 hours ago, ProfeMacKnight said:

checked the bios. This is the factory settings on the board. (Gigabyte X570 UD)

 


CPU VCORE; AUTO - 1.382V

VCORE SOC; AUTO - 1.100V

CPU VDD18; AUTO - 1.800V

CPU VDDP; AUTO - -------

PM_CLO12; AUTO - 1.200V

PM_1V8; AUTO - 1.800V

PM_1VSOC; AUTO - 1.000V

DRAM VOLTAGE; AUTO - 1.200V

DDRVPP VOLTAGE; AUTO - 2.500V

DRAM TERMINATION; AUTO - 0.600V

 

CPU CLOCK CONTROL; AUTO - 100.00 MHZ

CPU RATIO MODE; ALL CORES

CPU CLOCK RATIO; AUTO - 36.00

Sigh. Ok, 70 degrees before 100% then.

 

Highly recommend an OC. At least set your vcore to something sane.

 

Try 1.3 max vcore, but try dropping as far as 1.2V at least.

 

Either at bios level or with ryzen master. You can leave clocks at auto for now if you don't want to play with them, but you can try doing 4ghz and it would probably be fine at 1.3V

 

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On 5/3/2020 at 4:33 PM, Demonic Donut said:

Highly recommend an OC. At least set your vcore to something sane.

 

Try 1.3 max vcore, but try dropping as far as 1.2V at least.

 

Either at bios level or with ryzen master. You can leave clocks at auto for now if you don't want to play with them, but you can try doing 4ghz and it would probably be fine at 1.3V

 

I changed the VCORE from auto to 1.250. If I understand the settings correct, it will now go between 1.100V and 1.250V.
It has at idle base speed at 3.4 Ghz. but temps are now down to 35-43 degrees. Soo.. that did it.
Ran Bannerlord as before, it went from ingame 20-30~% load. went ok. Took a battle that had 600~ units. load went to 70-80%, and boosted to 3.8 Ghz.
Temps ran between 50-60 degrees.

 

So, Demonic Dounat, it worked. Thanks for the help :)

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No problem! Glad it helped.

 

Every chip is different, and motherboard makes a difference too,  you can always tinker and drop voltage more or set an all core OC. I bet you could set 4ghz at 1.25

 

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