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[5x5]

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CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 1600 AF 3.2 GHz 6-Core Processor
Motherboard: ASRock B450M Pro4-F Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard
Memory: Team T-FORCE VULCAN Z 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3000 Memory
Storage: Western Digital Blue 1 TB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive
Storage: Western Digital Red 2 TB 3.5" 5400RPM Internal Hard Drive
Storage: Western Digital Red 2 TB 3.5" 5400RPM Internal Hard Drive
Video Card: Palit GeForce RTX 2060 6 GB GamingPro Video Card
Case: Cooler Master Silencio 452 ATX Mid Tower Case
Optical Drive: Asus DVD-RW 24D5MT
Power Supply: be quiet! Pure Power 11 CM 500 W 80+ Gold Certified Semi-modular ATX Power Supply
Total: USD 1264.27 (BGN 2285)
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2020-04-27 16:42 EDT-0400

This is already with budget extended past original goal of BGN 2000. Goal is to store large volumes of data, stream occasionally and game. My main consideration was the case - I don't think the 30 BGN savings of the FD Core models are worth dropping the sound dampening foam of the Silencio. I also don't think downgrading to a 1660 Ti is worth it considering the performance delta and NVenc. I deliberately chose the WD Reds for the sake of data protection (it's important for the person) and the speed is irrelevant - they're coming from pretty ancient drives with crap cache and firmware. I guess I should throw in a cooler of some sort.

[Entropy.]

4 minutes ago, 5x5 said:

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 1600 AF 3.2 GHz 6-Core Processor
Motherboard: ASRock B450M Pro4-F Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard
Memory: Team T-FORCE VULCAN Z 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3000 Memory
Storage: Western Digital Blue 1 TB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive
Storage: Western Digital Red 2 TB 3.5" 5400RPM Internal Hard Drive
Storage: Western Digital Red 2 TB 3.5" 5400RPM Internal Hard Drive
Video Card: Palit GeForce RTX 2060 6 GB GamingPro Video Card
Case: Cooler Master Silencio 452 ATX Mid Tower Case
Optical Drive: Asus DVD-RW 24D5MT
Power Supply: be quiet! Pure Power 11 CM 500 W 80+ Gold Certified Semi-modular ATX Power Supply
Total: USD 1264.27 (BGN 2285)
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2020-04-27 16:42 EDT-0400

This is already with budget extended past original goal of BGN 2000. Goal is to store large volumes of data, stream occasionally and game. My main consideration was the case - I don't think the 30 BGN savings of the FD Core models are worth dropping the sound dampening foam of the Silencio. I also don't think downgrading to a 1660 Ti is worth it considering the performance delta and NVenc. I deliberately chose the WD Reds for the sake of data protection (it's important for the person) and the speed is irrelevant - they're coming from pretty ancient drives with crap cache and firmware. I guess I should throw in a cooler of some sort.

Seems good but I recommend the rx 5700 https://www.newegg.com/msi-radeon-rx-5700-rx-5700-mech-oc/p/N82E16814137466?nm_mc=knc-msnsearch&cm_mmc=knc-msnsearch-pc-_-pla-_-video+cards+amd+ati-_-msi-_-14137466&msclkid=b07684ff361011b5316cda5873faf4dc&gclid=CPuos5y-iekCFe4AfwodwicDiw&gclsrc=ds

[5x5]

Just now, Brok3n But who cares? said:

Seems good but I recommend the rx 5700 https://www.newegg.com/msi-radeon-rx-5700-rx-5700-mech-oc/p/N82E16814137466?nm_mc=knc-msnsearch&cm_mmc=knc-msnsearch-pc-_-pla-_-video+cards+amd+ati-_-msi-_-14137466&msclkid=b07684ff361011b5316cda5873faf4dc&gclid=CPuos5y-iekCFe4AfwodwicDiw&gclsrc=ds

Way out of budget locally (and defeats the purpose of NVenc)

[GDRRiley]

don't get WD reds.

I'd look at maybe 32gb of ram.

[5x5]

1 minute ago, GDRRiley said:

don't get WD reds.

I'd look at maybe 32gb of ram.

I've had nothing but good experience with Reds, mind elaborating?
Also - 32GB is out of budget range.

[GDRRiley]

Just now, 5x5 said:

I've had nothing but good experience with Reds, mind elaborating?

WD has done some shady stuff on new reds under 4tb.

https://linustechtips.com/main/topic/1179935-the-three-major-hdd-manufacturers-are-selling-slower-drives-without-telling-us/

[5x5]

1 minute ago, GDRRiley said:

WD has done some shady stuff on new reds under 4tb.

https://linustechtips.com/main/topic/1179935-the-three-major-hdd-manufacturers-are-selling-slower-drives-without-telling-us/

Pretty irrelevant for the use case imo

[GDRRiley]

2 minutes ago, 5x5 said:

Pretty irrelevant for the use case imo

no it isn't. If you plain on raid 1 they may drop out. you'd be better served by 1 larger HDD if you aren't running a raid 1. like a 4-5tb X300

they also perform pretty bad pretty quick

[5x5]

Just now, GDRRiley said:

no it isn't. If you plain on raid 1 they may drop out. you'd be better served by 1 larger HDD if you aren't running a raid 1. like a 4-5tb X300

Nobody is planning on using RAID at any point. The idea behind them is extra layer of redundancy - if one were to fail, the other could still be used.

[GDRRiley]

1 minute ago, 5x5 said:

Nobody is planning on using RAID at any point. The idea behind them is extra layer of redundancy - if one were to fail, the other could still be used.

then just get 1 larger drive now and add a 2nd down the line or do it right and backup externally to offline .

[5x5]

Just now, GDRRiley said:

then just get 1 larger drive now and add a 2nd down the line or do it right and backup externally to offline .

The whole reason behind this is to have a back-up. Offsite back-ups aren't an option in this case and a larger dirve isn't feasible either since 3TB models would bloat the budget too much.

[GDRRiley]

Just now, 5x5 said:

The whole reason behind this is to have a back-up. Offsite back-ups aren't an option in this case and a larger dirve isn't feasible either since 3TB models would bloat the budget too much.

Just avoid WD reds right now.

[5x5]

Just now, GDRRiley said:

Just avoid WD reds right now.

I am yet to see any reason to do so. Again, this is not a RAID drive or an OS drive. It's a standard storage drive. It's not going in a NAS or a server - it's going in a typical PC. I'm not really keen on going for Purples so that leaves Reds as the only feasible financial solution. Unless there is a reliability concern or a significant performance issue with typical consumer tasks, the SMR scandal couldn't bother me less.

[GDRRiley]

Just now, 5x5 said:

I am yet to see any reason to do so. Again, this is not a RAID drive or an OS drive. It's a standard storage drive. It's not going in a NAS or a server - it's going in a typical PC. I'm not really keen on going for Purples so that leaves Reds as the only feasible financial solution. Unless there is a reliability concern or a significant performance issue with typical consumer tasks, the SMR scandal couldn't bother me less.

WD reds perform badly and these new SMR do even worst and random writes and large reads.

Get Performance desktop drives, Seagate barracuda pro, X300, WD black

[5x5]

1 minute ago, GDRRiley said:

WD reds perform badly and these new SMR do even worst and random writes and large reads.

Get Performance desktop drives, Seagate barracuda pro, X300, WD black

Barracuda models are notorious for high failure rates - they were never even considered.
X300 aren't available in the region
Black models are double the price.

 

Again, the options are Red (non-NAS models, the PCpp link has NAS models for some reason) and Purples

[Dravinian]

Arguments about HD aside...

 

When I click your link, I get a different CPU and many items are not priced.

 

I did this list which filled in the blanks, but comes $1600.

 

Were you planning on buying the parts elsewhere which is why you put $1400 as the price?

 

PCPartPicker Part List

Type	Item	Price
CPU	AMD Ryzen 5 2600 3.4 GHz 6-Core Processor	$170.59 @ Amazon
Motherboard	ASRock B450M Pro4-F Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard	$163.52 @ Amazon
Memory	Team T-FORCE VULCAN Z 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3000 Memory	$67.98 @ Amazon
Storage	Western Digital Blue 1 TB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive	$119.99 @ B&H
Storage	Western Digital Red 2 TB 3.5" 5400RPM Internal Hard Drive	$81.48 @ Amazon
Storage	Western Digital Red 2 TB 3.5" 5400RPM Internal Hard Drive	$81.48 @ Amazon
Video Card	Palit GeForce RTX 2060 6 GB StormX Video Card	$576.65 @ Amazon
Case	Cooler Master Silencio S600 ATX Mid Tower Case	$159.99 @ Amazon
Power Supply	be quiet! Pure Power 11 CM 500 W 80+ Gold Certified Semi-modular ATX Power Supply	$181.54 @ Amazon
	Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
	Total	$1603.22
	Generated by PCPartPicker 2020-04-27 17:11 EDT-0400

 

[5x5]

Just now, Dravinian said:

Arguments about HD aside...

 

When I click your link, I get a different CPU and many items are not priced.

 

I did this list which filled in the blanks, but comes $1600.

 

Were you planning on buying the parts elsewhere which is why you put $1400 as the price?

 

PCPartPicker Part List

Type	Item	Price
CPU	AMD Ryzen 5 2600 3.4 GHz 6-Core Processor	$170.59 @ Amazon
Motherboard	ASRock B450M Pro4-F Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard	$163.52 @ Amazon
Memory	Team T-FORCE VULCAN Z 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3000 Memory	$67.98 @ Amazon
Storage	Western Digital Blue 1 TB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive	$119.99 @ B&H
Storage	Western Digital Red 2 TB 3.5" 5400RPM Internal Hard Drive	$81.48 @ Amazon
Storage	Western Digital Red 2 TB 3.5" 5400RPM Internal Hard Drive	$81.48 @ Amazon
Video Card	Palit GeForce RTX 2060 6 GB StormX Video Card	$576.65 @ Amazon
Case	Cooler Master Silencio S600 ATX Mid Tower Case	$159.99 @ Amazon
Power Supply	be quiet! Pure Power 11 CM 500 W 80+ Gold Certified Semi-modular ATX Power Supply	$181.54 @ Amazon
	Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
	Total	$1603.22
	Generated by PCPartPicker 2020-04-27 17:11 EDT-0400

 

Prices are from Bulgarian etailers - not the US. Some components aren't available and others are

[GDRRiley]

Just now, 5x5 said:

Barracuda models are notorious for high failure rates - they were never even considered.
X300 aren't available in the region
Black models are double the price.

 

Again, the options are Red (non-NAS models, the PCpp link has NAS models for some reason) and Purples

they don't

okay

okay.

there has to be something other than 5400RPM reds available.

[Dravinian]

2 minutes ago, 5x5 said:

Prices are from Bulgarian etailers - not the US. Some components aren't available and others are

Well that list I provided, if bought in Germany, which has all those items I listed, is 1051.44 euro, which according to the currency convertor is 2057.87 BGN.

As a EU member state, goods and services should flow freely so shouldn't be too much in the way of costs.

 

I got a TV shipped to me from Germany to the UK and it wasn't small, and it cost me £8.61 (20 BGN)...and we aren't even in the EU anymore! lol

[5x5]

4 minutes ago, GDRRiley said:

they don't

okay

okay.

there has to be something other than 5400RPM reds available.

I've been in contact with multiple retailers. Barracuda failure rates are over 3:1 when compared to any other OEM or model - this also factors in volume sold. They are horrid.

 

1 minute ago, Dravinian said:

Well that list I provided, if bought in Germany, which has all those items I listed, is 1051.44 euro, which according to the currency convertor is 2057.87 BGN.

As a EU member state, goods and services should flow freely so shouldn't be too much in the way of costs.

 

I got a TV shipped to me from Germany to the UK and it wasn't small, and it cost me £8.61 (20 BGN)...and we aren't even in the EU anymore! lol

Ah, well, my price also factors in assembly, BIOS update and OS installation which is free when shopping locally and I'm off-site so I can't handle that part myself

[5x5]

@GDRRileyonly options are WD Blue, WD Red or WD Purple. Anything else in the desired capacity is either too expensive, not available or also on the SMR list.

[GDRRiley]

2 minutes ago, 5x5 said:

I've been in contact with multiple retailers. Barracuda failure rates are over 3:1 when compared to any other OEM or model - this also factors in volume sold. They are horrid.

1 minute ago, 5x5 said:

@GDRRileyonly options are WD Blue, WD Red or WD Purple. Anything else in the desired capacity is either too expensive, not available or also on the SMR list.

that doesn't seem right.

then get WD blue

[5x5]

Just now, GDRRiley said:

that doesn't seem right.

then get WD blue

WD Blues are also on the list (checked the model) except they have 1/4 the cache and cost almost the same. I also lose 1 year of warranty. Same 5400 RPM SMR-based affair. Why go with them?

I also found a 5900 RPM IronWolf drive with horrible user feedback. Think I'll skip that. Skyhawks are the same deal as Purples and I'd like to not get Surveillance HDDs for general use. And there's a super low-end Toshiba P300 that I wouldn't personally buy considering the mediocre performance.

[GDRRiley]

Just now, 5x5 said:

WD Blues are also on the list (checked the model) except they have 1/4 the cache and cost almost the same. I also lose 1 year of warranty. Same 5400 RPM SMR-based affair. Why go with them?

I also found a 5900 RPM IronWolf drive with horrible user feedback. Think I'll skip that. Skyhawks are the same deal as Purples and I'd like to not get Surveillance HDDs for general use. And there's a super low-end Toshiba P300 that I wouldn't personally buy considering the mediocre performance.

ironwolf drives are good.

the P300 is SMR

[5x5]

1 minute ago, GDRRiley said:

ironwolf drives are good.

the P300 is SMR

User feedback seems to disagree - people reporting problems and returns. So since everything is SMR, I guess I'm keeping the Reds.