Those of you with ADHD...

[Pickles von Brine]

Do you find yourself sometimes making weird sounds, inventing sounds or just... acting weird to entertain yourself? Ever gotten a comment from it? I end up making myself laugh or smile. 

[Lady Fitzgerald]

1 hour ago, Pickles - Lord of the Jar said:

Do you find yourself sometimes making weird sounds, inventing sounds or just... acting weird to entertain yourself? Ever gotten a comment from it? I end up making myself laugh or smile. 

I do sometimes when I'm alone or I'm playing with a pet but I do not believe that is an exclusive characteristic of ADHD.

[billcxsby]

i mean sometimes I make up random ass sounding words to mess with people usually in discord. the words are usually shit similar to rick and morty stuff (schlaangus, humbus, yombo) just random ass stuff that sounds funny, but i mean it's usually to troll people. usually the respond with: "wtf is a humbus" and i like laugh at them for not knowing what humbus is.

 

 

I support Humbus

[Praesi]

9 hours ago, Pickles - Lord of the Jar said:

Do you find yourself sometimes making weird sounds, inventing sounds or just... acting weird to entertain yourself? Ever gotten a comment from it? I end up making myself laugh or smile. 

What do you mean "sometimes".? .

[Pickles von Brine]

24 minutes ago, Praesi said:

What do you mean "sometimes".? .

Ah, a man of cultured delight. Indeed. 

[Lady Fitzgerald]

25 minutes ago, Pickles - Lord of the Jar said:

Ah, a man of cultured delight. Indeed. 

Exactly. A man. 

 

[Pickles von Brine]

Just now, Lady Fitzgerald said:

Exactly. A man. 

 

Damn, that hurt. XD

[Lord Vile]

10 hours ago, Pickles - Lord of the Jar said:

Do you find yourself sometimes making weird sounds, inventing sounds or just... acting weird to entertain yourself? Ever gotten a comment from it? I end up making myself laugh or smile. 

You do know 90% of children in America would be diagnosed as ADHD if the were assessed.

[Pickles von Brine]

32 minutes ago, Lord Vile said:

You do know 90% of children in America would be diagnosed as ADHD if the were assessed.

That is false. ADHD is not something 90% of children will have. Yes, there has been a higher diagnosis of it, but it has been because of better testing. ADHD is a neurological disorder that will persist into adult in in 2/3rd of cases. Children will be hyperactive and maybe inattentive, but that does not mean they have ADHD. 

The name ADHD does not even properly describe the condition as well. We do not lack attention, we struggle with regulation of attention amoung MANY MANY other things. ADHD is an executive function disorder, not an attention deficit disorder.

List of executive functions:

1. Nonverbal working memory
2. Internalization of Speech (verbal working memory)
3. Self-regulation of affect/motivation/arousal
4. Reconstitution (planning and generativity)

List of executive functions disrupted by ADHD:
 

1. Organizing, prioritizing and activating for tasks
2. Focusing, sustaining and shifting attention to task
3. Regulating alertness, sustaining effort and processing speed
4. Managing frustration and modulating emotions
5. Utilizing working memory and accessing recall
6. Monitoring and self-regulating action
    

It is one of the biggest pain in the asses to work with. So unless you have it you will not understand the social and emotion distress it causes. There is no cure either. Medication only helps out with certain areas and does not resolve it. 

It also affects my sleep. I have something called DSPD and delayed onsite insomnia do it. 

Coping skills, understanding and building tools to assist and working with it is the only way to live with it. 
 

 

[Lord Vile]

3 minutes ago, Pickles - Lord of the Jar said:

That is false. ADHD is not something 90% of children will have. Yes, there has been a higher diagnosis of it, but it has been because of better testing. ADHD is a neurological disorder that will persist into adult in in 2/3rd of cases. Children will be hyperactive and maybe inattentive, but that does not mean they have ADHD. 

The name ADHD does not even properly describe the condition as well. We do not lack attention, we struggle with regulation of attention amoung MANY MANY other things. ADHD is an executive function disorder, not an attention deficit disorder.

List of executive functions:

1. Nonverbal working memory
2. Internalization of Speech (verbal working memory)
3. Self-regulation of affect/motivation/arousal
4. Reconstitution (planning and generativity)

List of executive functions disrupted by ADHD:
 

1. Organizing, prioritizing and activating for tasks
2. Focusing, sustaining and shifting attention to task
3. Regulating alertness, sustaining effort and processing speed
4. Managing frustration and modulating emotions
5. Utilizing working memory and accessing recall
6. Monitoring and self-regulating action
    

It is one of the biggest pain in the asses to work with. So unless you have it you will not understand the social and emotion distress it causes. There is no cure either. Medication only helps out with certain areas and does not resolve it. 

 

 

There was literally a study and 90% of the children in the study qualified for an ADHD diagnosis. Most cases are diagnosed during childhood even though you can’t properly diagnose it until adulthood. False ADHD diagnosis are the biggest scam in psychiatry. 

[Pickles von Brine]

8 minutes ago, Lord Vile said:

There was literally a study and 90% of the children studied qualified for an ADHD diagnosis. Most cases are diagnosed during childhood even though you can’t properly diagnose it until adulthood. 

https://www.healthline.com/health/adhd/facts-statistics-infographic

https://www.addrc.org/adhd-numbers-facts-statistics-and-you/

https://www.adhd.org.nz/adhd-is-more-common-than-you-think.html

https://www.cdc.gov/ncbddd/adhd/data.html

Furthermore for adults:
https://www.additudemag.com/statistics-of-adhd/
I would love to see this study. So far I have not come with such a thing. Wherever you read it either was BS or completely not fact checked. 

This is an area I would consider myself an expert in. Do not make wide sweeping claims without proof. 

I also invite you to read this paper:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3724232/

[Lord Vile]

13 minutes ago, Pickles - Lord of the Jar said:

https://www.healthline.com/health/adhd/facts-statistics-infographic

https://www.addrc.org/adhd-numbers-facts-statistics-and-you/

https://www.adhd.org.nz/adhd-is-more-common-than-you-think.html

https://www.cdc.gov/ncbddd/adhd/data.html

Furthermore for adults:
https://www.additudemag.com/statistics-of-adhd/
I would love to see this study. So far I have not come with such a thing. Wherever you read it either was BS or completely not fact checked. 

This is an area I would consider myself an expert in. Do not make wide sweeping claims without proof. 

I also invite you to read this paper:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3724232/

You know you have an issue when the sources list for your paper is longer than the paper itself. 
 

The issue isn’t that it exists the issue is its MASSIVELY over-diagnosed I’ll link a Harvard piece but it essentially says the upper range of ADHD is 5%, UPPER RANGE. Yet places are claiming figures in excess of 30%. There’s mountains of literature out there about how people have been over diagnosing ADHD for profit due to a lack of real tests. You’re talking half a billion dollars a year in 2007 just for America. Most cases are likely down to other factors not ADHD. 
 

https://www.bmj.com/content/347/bmj.f6172.full

 

https://www.health.harvard.edu/blog/is-adhd-overdiagnosed-and-overtreated-2017031611304

[Pickles von Brine]

1 minute ago, Lord Vile said:

You know you have an issue when the sources list for your paper is longer than the paper itself. 
 

The issue isn’t that it exists the issue is its MASSIVELY over-diagnosed I’ll link a Harvard piece but it essentially says the upper range of ADHD is 5%, UPPER RANGE. Yet places are claiming figures in excess of 30%. There’s mountains of literature out there about how people have been over diagnosing ADHD for profit due to a lack of real tests. You’re talking half a billion dollars a year in 2007 just for America. Most cases are likely down to other factors not ADHD. 
 

https://www.bmj.com/content/347/bmj.f6172.full

 

https://www.health.harvard.edu/blog/is-adhd-overdiagnosed-and-overtreated-2017031611304

That I can definitely agree with on this, but I disagree with your previous statement about 90% of children having ADHD. 

ADHD was/is definitely overdiagnosed. Testing isn't perfect either and the studies on the affects of those with it isn't super well understood. 

Dr. Russel Barkley has been working really hard to find proper ways of diagnosing and educating those not only with it but health professionals about it. There is also a strong genetic link to ADHD too. So, it is very well possible there could be genomic testing to find out if you do 100% have it. 

That coupled with the fact that those who have ADHD a lot of the times are just give meds and told to shew without helping them is a huge problem. Not only myself, but many of my friends with it never got the help they needed when they were younger. Medication is only part of the solution. In many ways I wish it was taken as seriously as autism and given the same amount of work and diligence. Many would be so much better for it. I am 30 and just now getting help in building the scaffolding to hold myself together. It is honestly not only the failing of the system, but lack of research done on it in the first place. 

[Lord Vile]

9 minutes ago, Pickles - Lord of the Jar said:

That I can definitely agree with on this, but I disagree with your previous statement about 90% of children having ADHD. 

ADHD was/is definitely overdiagnosed. Testing isn't perfect either and the studies on the affects of those with it isn't super well understood. 

Dr. Russel Barkley has been working really hard to find proper ways of diagnosing and educating those not only with it but health professionals about it. There is also a strong genetic link to ADHD too. So, it is very well possible there could be genomic testing to find out if you do 100% have it. 

That coupled with the fact that those who have ADHD a lot of the times are just give meds and told to shew without helping them is a huge problem. Not only myself, but many of my friends with it never got the help they needed when they were younger. Medication is only part of the solution. In many ways I wish it was taken as seriously as autism and given the same amount of work and diligence. Many would be so much better for it. I am 30 and just now getting help in building the scaffolding to hold myself together. It is honestly not only the failing of the system, but lack of research done on it in the first place. 

I didn’t say 90% have them I said with the current guidelines 90% of children could be diagnosed with ADHD. That’s the point that the guidelines are too broad. 
 

The “testing” is all subjective nonsense. You can’t strap someone into an MRI and diagnose it properly it’s all behaviour which is whatever the psychiatrist wants it to be effectively. So they can say oh well little tummy has ADHD here have a prescription for this drug for only $X a month and you’ll have to be seeing me again once a month for an hour that’ll be another small payment etc etc. Psychology in general is a minefield, none of them can agree on anything, it’s not proper science because the proper science is called neurology. 

 

[Pickles von Brine]

2 minutes ago, Lord Vile said:

I didn’t say 90% have them I said with the current guidelines 90% of children could be diagnosed with ADHD. That’s the point that the guidelines are too broad. 
 

The “testing” is all subjective nonsense. You can’t strap someone into an MRI and diagnose it properly it’s all behaviour which is whatever the psychiatrist wants it to be effectively. So they can say oh well little tummy has ADHD here have a prescription for this drug for only $X a month and you’ll have to be seeing me again once a month for an hour that’ll be another small payment etc etc. Psychology in general is a minefield, none of them can agree on anything, it’s not proper science because the proper science is called neurology. 

 

There is a neurological link with ADHD. Those with it do, neurologically, have issues and that is what caused the psychological issues. It is also the easisted to treat. 
 

 

[Lord Vile]

18 minutes ago, Pickles - Lord of the Jar said:

There is a neurological link with ADHD. Those with it do, neurologically, have issues and that is what caused the psychological issues. It is also the easisted to treat. 
 

 

I’m sorry but he’s talking a load of wank. 

[Pickles von Brine]

He is one of the foremost expert in ADHD. Definitely not talking wank. ADHD is a neurological disorder, not a psychological one. However, its symptions preset as a psychological. 

[PlayStation 2]

Can't say that I have ADHD for sure but I definitely do... odd things and do make odd noises, for sure, to keep myself entertained.

[Pickles von Brine]

1 minute ago, handymanshandle said:

Can't say that I have ADHD for sure but I definitely do... odd things and do make odd noises, for sure, to keep myself entertained.

Indeed. Question though, have you found yourself to be a rather outside-the-box thinker @handymanshandle? 

[PlayStation 2]

Just now, Pickles - Lord of the Jar said:

Indeed. Question though, have you found yourself to be a rather outside-the-box thinker @handymanshandle? 

Tends to depend on the context, but sometimes, yes.

[WereCatf]

12 hours ago, Pickles - Lord of the Jar said:

Do you find yourself sometimes making weird sounds, inventing sounds or just... acting weird to entertain yourself? Ever gotten a comment from it? I end up making myself laugh or smile. 

I've been making weird sounds, like yelling, squealing etc. ever since early childhood and still continue to do it. I find myself doing it when I feel somehow especially energetic and my understanding of it is that I am trying to control my energy-levels. I do have Asperger's Syndrome as well as ADHD, so I don't know how much of my behaviour is from the former and how much from the latter.

[Lady Fitzgerald]

1 hour ago, Pickles - Lord of the Jar said:

...It is one of the biggest pain in the asses to work with. So unless you have it you will not understand the social and emotion distress it causes...

 

You can say that again! Imagine someone having to go through school and the work place not being diagnosed with ADHD until in they were in their early 50s. I don't have to imagine it because that was me. ADHD was not really known about in the '50s to the early '70s when I graduated from college.

 

1 hour ago, Pickles - Lord of the Jar said:

...t also affects my sleep. I have something called DSPD and delayed onsite insomnia do it...

I have the same thing although it was never formally diagnosed. It never manifested itself until after I worked 5 1/2 years on third shift for a convenience store chain after retiring the first time. Prior to that, I had worked jobs all my life that required to get up early in the morning so I was able to bull my way through it. Now that I'm retired for keeps, I affectiuonately refer to my DSPD as shift lag since it is so similar to jet lag. The older I get, the harder it is for me to overcome it.

 

2 hours ago, Pickles - Lord of the Jar said:

...Coping skills, understanding and building tools to assist and working with it is the only way to live with it. 

 

Exactly. I had learn most of my coping mechanisms on my own by the time I was formally diagnosed.

[Pickles von Brine]

5 minutes ago, WereCatf said:

I've been making weird sounds, like yelling, squealing etc. ever since early childhood and still continue to do it. I find myself doing it when I feel somehow especially energetic and my understanding of it is that I am trying to control my energy-levels. I do have Asperger's Syndrome as well as ADHD, so I don't know how much of my behaviour is from the former and how much from the latter.

I do the same thing. Sometimes I will just sound like some weird animal. Feels good and its funny. 

2 minutes ago, Lady Fitzgerald said:

You can say that again! Imagine someone having to go through school and the work place not being diagnosed with ADHD until in they were in their early 50s. I don't have to imagine it because that was me. ADHD was not really known about in the '50s to the early '70s when I graduated from college.

 

I have the same thing although it was never formally diagnosed. It never manifested itself until after I worked 5 1/2 years on third shift for a convenience store chain after retiring the first time. Prior to that, I had worked jobs all my life that required to get up early in the morning so I was able to bull my way through it. Now that I'm retired for keeps, I affectiuonately refer to my DSPD as shift lag since it is so similar to jet lag. The older I get, the harder it is for me to overcome it.

 

Exactly. I had learn most of my coping mechanisms on my own by the time I was formally diagnosed.

There is a lot of that going around. I am part of ADDA and in the beginners group. I see a lot of this. There was a guy in his 60s that got diagnosed with it. Never knew his entire life. 

DSPD is a real pain in the but though. Do you get really bad brain fog from it? Mine I feel like I can cut it with a knife. 

[Lady Fitzgerald]

57 minutes ago, Lord Vile said:

I’m sorry but he’s talking a load of wank. 

And where did you get your degree in Psychology? I felt he was spot on.

 

For the record, I got mine from Abilene Christian College, class of '71. Even though I never used my degree vocationally, I did continue my studies informally, eventually concentrating on LGBT studies, including working with transgender support groups and, occasionally, speaking to college classes. After being diagnosed with ADHD, I expanded my studies to the area of ADHD.

[Pickles von Brine]

1 minute ago, Lady Fitzgerald said:

And where did you get your degree in Psychology? I felt he was spot on.

 

For the record, I got mine from Abilene Christian College, class of '71. Even though I never used my degree vocationally, I did continue my studies informally, eventually concentrating on LGBT studies and, after being diagnosed with ADHD, in the area of ADHD.

Thanks for the support. I have spent the past 5 years learning about it as much as I can. Recently got an ADHD coach and she is AWESOME! Has helped me realize and come to terms with so much stuff. Helping me build myself up too!