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choosing between 2 options (ram for RYZEN)

Hello ppl :)

Short version: help me choose what ram is best for ryzen 3600

PC SPECS:
CPU: Ryzen 3600 (stock cooler)
MOBO: B450 tomahawk max (bios 3.3)
SSD: 1tb samsung 860 evo
256 gb SAMSUNG MZNLN256HCHP
GPU: MSI 2070
PSU: CM MWE gold 750

LINK TO RAM SPECS

View: https://imgur.com/a/Crh783n

 

(both sets are 16 gb - i only "benched" one stick of each set)
both sets claim 3200Mhz cl16 at stock

Long version:

I wanted to get ram for ryzen and oc it using ryzen dram calc

I bought the ballistix ram first and tried to oc it with the ryzen dram calc, it gave me weird stutters and other small issues, was not able to get it to work stable
I figured it was due to the ram. So i got my hands on a second kit from corsair, but those gave blue screens when oc'ed

DISCLAIMER:
I am a total nitwit when it comes to ram ocing, I just copied whatever timings and other stuff the dram calc gave me into my bios
So I f*ed up somewhere along the line, so I will sell off one of the kits and keep the best one

Which set should i keep?

Bonus question: If someone could help me with using the ryzen dram calc, would be nice also

As always thanks for your help
 
 
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I am no expert...But in my 3900x journey I did a ton of Buildzoid watching...hah. I can regurgitate some of what he did.

 

The E-die is more flexible in the speed so you'll probably want the Crucial.

Update to latest BIOS (I didn't bother to check if 3.3 is latest)

Generally it's best practice to go one step at a time when changing sub-timings, making sure each step posts.

 

What is your FCLK at right now?

What are you trying to OC the MCLK/UCLK to?

What DRAM voltage?

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Hi man

 

3.3 is the latest bios

 

Fclk is on auto, i had it on 1600mhz, so half of my ram mhz (i reverted to auto after the troubles began)

 

nothing on mclk uclk, didn't see any of those abbreviations in the dram calculator

 

It told me to set voltage to 1.39

 

i added a screenshot of what it told me to use on the corsair ram

https://imgur.com/a/mvLNCXT

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2 hours ago, Nectar of the wanker said:

Hi man

 

3.3 is the latest bios

 

Fclk is on auto, i had it on 1600mhz, so half of my ram mhz (i reverted to auto after the troubles began)

 

nothing on mclk uclk, didn't see any of those abbreviations in the dram calculator

 

It told me to set voltage to 1.39

 

i added a screenshot of what it told me to use on the corsair ram

https://imgur.com/a/mvLNCXT

Gotcha, so what you mean by OC'ing RAM is you want to tighten timings (extremely time consuming)?
Or do you mean you want higher freq?

 

Again: Disclaimer, I don't have a ton of experience with any of this. I'm just regurgitating info from watching Buildzoid videos.

 

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FYI, Generally with Ryzen 3xxx you want to keep FCLK, UCLK & MCLK 1:1:2

MCLK = mem freq (not technically freq, but lets go with this)

UCLK = memory controller

FCLK = Infinity Fabric (higher = better)

 

If you want to know more than you ever wanted watch the videos in post #13

https://www.techpowerup.com/forums/threads/ryzen-3000-fclk-issue.264073/

 

Here's a chart on what FCLK & MCLK to use for best performance. Note this is for OC'ing the FCLK (Infinity Fabric) too.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/12poUIs4mYn6sd8Em78cKPk73lnux2rDiJHKCCD9g2QQ/edit

 

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If you don't care about any of that stuff.

Then run 3200 for memory and 1600 for FCLK (auto).

 

Set your DRAM Voltage at 1.4 to start

Tighten timings (lower/converge on the DRAM calculator values) one at a time checking post each time.

Once you get to where you want do some stress testing (P95, IBT, DRAM calc built-in).

[check mem temps, if it goes above 40c it might get mad and you'll have to lower voltage or add cooling.]

If it's unstable then lessen the timings one at a time checking for stability.

Once you think you're really stable lower voltage and check stability.

Run Memtest86 once you think you're really stable.

 

 

Non-basic videos on tightening timings:

 

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Wow that's alot of info!

 

I have posted my question all over the internet and yours is the best answer so far :) Thanks a bundle

 

tbh at this point i would just set xmp, i know so little about oc'ing im going to drop it at this point

 

But since I have the luxury of choosing between 2 ramkits, I would try to determine which one is best for my ryzen 3600 usecase

(i realize it will make only a fraction of a difference, but hey why not)

 

So far I am getting very mixed answers, some say the corsair kit others say ballistix because of the die

or maybe they are just too similar

I tried to make sense of the bottom list/matrix below each specsheet

 

thats where i can see different values to each ramkit

 

But i have no idea on how to interpret these e.g. is lower better, is higher better etc

 

Also the google searches make my head spin 😛

 

tldr: can i have your input on which kit would be best, no overclock will be done except set xmp

 

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19 hours ago, Nectar of the wanker said:

Wow that's alot of info!

 

I have posted my question all over the internet and yours is the best answer so far :) Thanks a bundle

 

tbh at this point i would just set xmp, i know so little about oc'ing im going to drop it at this point

 

But since I have the luxury of choosing between 2 ramkits, I would try to determine which one is best for my ryzen 3600 usecase

(i realize it will make only a fraction of a difference, but hey why not)

 

So far I am getting very mixed answers, some say the corsair kit others say ballistix because of the die

or maybe they are just too similar

I tried to make sense of the bottom list/matrix below each specsheet

 

thats where i can see different values to each ramkit

 

But i have no idea on how to interpret these e.g. is lower better, is higher better etc

 

Also the google searches make my head spin 😛

 

tldr: can i have your input on which kit would be best, no overclock will be done except set xmp

 

tl;dr crucial, it's a tossup tho based upon XMP profile.

 

Reason: rough estimate of speed [xmp negates the lower clocks tho]

2400/20T = 120 (lower is better)

2133/16T = 133

xmp will set mem to 1600 (3200) and fclk to 1600 (1:1 ratio) [mem runs 2wice per clock]

 

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I would also try OC the IF & memory past 1600 tho.

 

Steps:

Leave everything default.

set FCLK to 1633 & RAM to 3266

try post

repeat jumping 33 at a time.

once maxed out (say 1700 x 3400) [1900x3800 is kinda the accepted max that people can hit]

run benchmarks/stress tests.

if unstable, go down by 33.

repeat benchmark/stress tests.

stable = yay.

Run memtest86 & p95 for 12hrs.

done. stable & fast.

 

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No prob, just trying to help with what I just recently learned myself :)

Good luck with it all!

 

 

Also, I just found this video if you care to tighten timings & OC mem: 

 

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