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Hey guys !聽

I was planning on ordering a tomahawk max for my 3600 but due to being out of stock I鈥檓 uncertain what鈥檚 the next best thing for it鈥檚 price range ?聽

ive been looking at a ASUS ROG strix b450-F gaming, will this match up to the tomahawk ?聽

thanks in advance !聽

also a bonus question 馃槀 I was going to get a 1TB nvme and a 1TB SSD but can only afford the 1, will a 1TB be enough to get me going on my OS and all my game launchers and a few games ?聽

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Look for MSI Mortar , it's just as good.. and has more features (connectors on io shield and stuff)

MSI B450 Gaming Plus Max are also good boards with VRM close to Tomohawk.

MSI B450-A Pro is a bit weaker but still very good and perfectly fine for a 6 core processor and even 8 core processors.

Even a 500 GB drive will be enough for the OS and a bunch of games.

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get another msi board, if in stock. the msi b450 a-pro MAX and msi b450 gaming plus MAX and msi b450m mortar MAX are as good as the tomahawk. the asus one doesn't have great vrms. it's fine for the 3600, but if you want to upgrade to more cores, it can't deliver enough power.

as for ssd space, 1tb should be enough for os, launchers and about 10 games (depending on the game).

don't go for a samsung ssd, they are overpriced. a crucial P1, intel 660p or wd sn550 are fast enough for a gaming pc.

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7 minutes ago, TeaRoomMosh said:

Hey guys !聽

I was planning on ordering a tomahawk max for my 3600 but due to being out of stock I鈥檓 uncertain what鈥檚 the next best thing for it鈥檚 price range ?聽

ive been looking at a ASUS ROG strix b450-F gaming, will this match up to the tomahawk ?聽

thanks in advance !聽

also a bonus question 馃槀 I was going to get a 1TB nvme and a 1TB SSD but can only afford the 1, will a 1TB be enough to get me going on my OS and all my game launchers and a few games ?聽

The strix B450-F is a pretty good motherboard, and should be a fine motherboard, but the bios update isn't guaranteed, and you should maybe look for another MAX mobo. As for the storage, It depends. Just saying th eOS will take 50 gb (likely an overestimation, just to be safe) 100GB in personal files/other files, and with 850 GB left over for games, there should be enough, unless you want to play the latest and greatest triple-a's, which can take up to 300 GB of storage for one game. In general 1tb should be fine, but If you are going to play triple a's, I recommend to save up for another ssd, or get a hard drive and a 256gb nvme ssd, and use 128 gb for important files and the boot drive, and cache the other 128gb to make the hard drives faster.聽

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CPU: 10700k Oc'd to 5.0 ghz聽 聽 聽 聽 聽 聽 聽 聽 聽 聽 聽 聽 聽 聽 GPU: RTX 3070 ventus 2x
Motherboard: Asus z490-v聽 聽 聽 聽 聽 聽 聽 聽 聽 聽 聽 聽 聽 聽 聽 聽 Cooler: Deepcool castle ex 120mm
Ram: Team tforce delta 32gb 3200mhz cl16聽 聽 聽Case: Phanteks p418r (p360a ripoff)聽
PSU: Apevia Prestige 800w

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To me the 10700k seems pretty underrated.聽It's a very solid cpu. at 5.0ghz it draws 175-185w under full load. the Asus z490-v is a sh*t teir motherboard, I wouldn't recommend it for anything past a 10600k for light oc's only. Tforce ram is pretty but cpu cooler clearance can be an issue on them, so beware. the RTX 3070 is obviously a great card, but the ventus 2x is just horrible. Don't buy it, not now, not ever. It's flimsy af, you can't increase the stock power limit, the cooler is worse than the one on the 3070FE. If it's a choice between this and nothing, choose nothing. The deepcool castle ex 120mm isn't really on sale outside of prebuilts, but it's a nice pretty cooler, gets my 10700k up to 96c after a prime95 cpu test for 15 minutes. The p418r is basically what it looks like. P360a, slap a few cyberpowerpc logos on it, and you're golden. The Apevia Prestige 800w is bad, but not terrible. Runs respectably quiet and isn't a bomb. More than a lot of PSU's in prebuilts can claim.

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PC Troubleshooting聽 聽 聽 聽 聽 聽 聽 聽 聽 聽 聽聽You don't need a big PSU

PSU Tier List聽 聽 聽 聽 聽 聽 聽 聽 聽 聽 聽 聽 聽 聽 聽 聽聽Common pc building mistakes聽
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full disclosure:

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I am a big idiot retard. Don't take my advice super seriously and always double-check what I'm saying.聽

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7 minutes ago, TeaRoomMosh said:

Hey guys !聽

I was planning on ordering a tomahawk max for my 3600 but due to being out of stock I鈥檓 uncertain what鈥檚 the next best thing for it鈥檚 price range ?聽

ive been looking at a ASUS ROG strix b450-F gaming, will this match up to the tomahawk ?聽

thanks in advance !聽

also a bonus question 馃槀 I was going to get a 1TB nvme and a 1TB SSD but can only afford the 1, will a 1TB be enough to get me going on my OS and all my game launchers and a few games ?聽

The strix B450-F is a pretty good motherboard, and should be a fine motherboard, but the bios update isn't guaranteed, and you should maybe look for another MAX mobo. As for the storage, It depends. Just saying th eOS will take 50 gb (likely an overestimation, just to be safe) 100GB in personal files/other files, and with 850 GB left over for games, there should be enough, unless you want to play the latest and greatest triple-a's, which can take up to 300 GB of storage for one game. In general 1tb should be fine, but If you are going to play triple a's, I recommend to save up for another ssd, or get a hard drive and a 256gb nvme ssd, and use 128 gb for important files and the boot drive, and cache the other 128gb to make the hard drives faster.聽

My build:
CPU: 10700k Oc'd to 5.0 ghz聽 聽 聽 聽 聽 聽 聽 聽 聽 聽 聽 聽 聽 聽 GPU: RTX 3070 ventus 2x
Motherboard: Asus z490-v聽 聽 聽 聽 聽 聽 聽 聽 聽 聽 聽 聽 聽 聽 聽 聽 Cooler: Deepcool castle ex 120mm
Ram: Team tforce delta 32gb 3200mhz cl16聽 聽 聽Case: Phanteks p418r (p360a ripoff)聽
PSU: Apevia Prestige 800w

Notes:
Spoiler

To me the 10700k seems pretty underrated.聽It's a very solid cpu. at 5.0ghz it draws 175-185w under full load. the Asus z490-v is a sh*t teir motherboard, I wouldn't recommend it for anything past a 10600k for light oc's only. Tforce ram is pretty but cpu cooler clearance can be an issue on them, so beware. the RTX 3070 is obviously a great card, but the ventus 2x is just horrible. Don't buy it, not now, not ever. It's flimsy af, you can't increase the stock power limit, the cooler is worse than the one on the 3070FE. If it's a choice between this and nothing, choose nothing. The deepcool castle ex 120mm isn't really on sale outside of prebuilts, but it's a nice pretty cooler, gets my 10700k up to 96c after a prime95 cpu test for 15 minutes. The p418r is basically what it looks like. P360a, slap a few cyberpowerpc logos on it, and you're golden. The Apevia Prestige 800w is bad, but not terrible. Runs respectably quiet and isn't a bomb. More than a lot of PSU's in prebuilts can claim.

Motherboard Tier List聽 聽 聽 聽 聽 聽 聽聽 聽 聽聽How many watts do I need?
Best B550 Motherboards聽 聽 聽 聽 聽 聽 聽Best Intel Z490 Motherboards

PC Troubleshooting聽 聽 聽 聽 聽 聽 聽 聽 聽 聽 聽聽You don't need a big PSU

PSU Tier List聽 聽 聽 聽 聽 聽 聽 聽 聽 聽 聽 聽 聽 聽 聽 聽聽Common pc building mistakes聽
PC BUILD Guide! (POV)聽 聽 聽 聽 聽 聽 聽聽How to Overclock your CPU聽

full disclosure:

Spoiler

I am a big idiot retard. Don't take my advice super seriously and always double-check what I'm saying.聽

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7 minutes ago, boggy77 said:

get another msi board, if in stock. the msi b450 a-pro MAX and msi b450 gaming plus MAX and msi b450m mortar MAX are as good as the tomahawk. the asus one doesn't have great vrms. it's fine for the 3600, but if you want to upgrade to more cores, it can't deliver enough power.

as for ssd space, 1tb should be enough for os, launchers and about 10 games (depending on the game).

don't go for a samsung ssd, they are overpriced. a crucial P1, intel 660p or wd sn550 are fast enough for a gaming pc.

Yeah I completely forgot about the mortar I will check that out and if not may look at the msi gaming pro max, I know it鈥檚 a bit more budget but I鈥檓 not doing any crazy OC鈥檚 and as for the Ssd I had a crucial ready but I鈥檒l get it in a couple months just wanted to be sure I could get by for a while on the 1TB

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10 minutes ago, mariushm said:

Look for MSI Mortar , it's just as good.. and has more features (connectors on io shield and stuff)

MSI B450 Gaming Plus Max are also good boards with VRM close to Tomohawk.

MSI B450-A Pro is a bit weaker but still very good and perfectly fine for a 6 core processor and even 8 core processors.

Even a 500 GB drive will be enough for the OS and a bunch of games.

Good idea I will search them now, I鈥檓 not oc鈥檌ng or anything just running 2070s and 3600 for gaming so want billy basic but with the safety of beefy VRMs if I need it ! And great it鈥檚 only for a few months until I can buy an SSD聽

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1 minute ago, TeaRoomMosh said:

Yeah I completely forgot about the mortar I will check that out and if not may look at the msi gaming pro max, I know it鈥檚 a bit more budget but I鈥檓 not doing any crazy OC鈥檚 and as for the Ssd I had a crucial ready but I鈥檒l get it in a couple months just wanted to be sure I could get by for a while on the 1TB

the mortar, gaming plus, a-pro and tomahawk have exactly the same vrms. the heatsink differes a bit, but in general the performance and power output is the same. all 4 motherboards can run a 3900x, which cannot be said about the asus rog strix

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5 minutes ago, InnerBeast Gaming said:

The strix B450-F is a pretty good motherboard, and should be a fine motherboard, but the bios update isn't guaranteed, and you should maybe look for another MAX mobo. As for the storage, It depends. Just saying th eOS will take 50 gb (likely an overestimation, just to be safe) 100GB in personal files/other files, and with 850 GB left over for games, there should be enough, unless you want to play the latest and greatest triple-a's, which can take up to 300 GB of storage for one game. In general 1tb should be fine, but If you are going to play triple a's, I recommend to save up for another ssd, or get a hard drive and a 256gb nvme ssd, and use 128 gb for important files and the boot drive, and cache the other 128gb to make the hard drives faster.聽

Yeah that鈥檚 what my other worry is as I read some buyer comments and they said the bios can鈥檛 be promised etc so I will look for another msi max board.

the storage should be fine then for a few months until I buy another SSD

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1 minute ago, boggy77 said:

the mortar, gaming plus, a-pro and tomahawk have exactly the same vrms. the heatsink differes a bit, but in general the performance and power output is the same. all 4 motherboards can run a 3900x, which cannot be said about the asus rog strix

Brilliant okay I鈥檒l have a look thank you !聽

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22 minutes ago, boggy77 said:

the mortar, gaming plus, a-pro and tomahawk have exactly the same vrms. the heatsink differes a bit, but in general the performance and power output is the same. all 4 motherboards can run a 3900x, which cannot be said about the asus rog strix

Just had a look and they have both the mortar and gaming plus max, am I right in saying the mortar is only In mATX ?聽

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6 minutes ago, TeaRoomMosh said:

Just had a look and they have both the mortar and gaming plus max, am I right in saying the mortar is only In mATX ?聽

Yes it is mATX, also check if it is the mortar or mortar max. If it is just the mortar then skip it, the max has out of the box Ryzen 3000 support.

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10 minutes ago, cobalt77 said:

Yes it is mATX, also check if it is the mortar or mortar max. If it is just the mortar then skip it, the max has out of the box Ryzen 3000 support.

Okay so it鈥檚 purely an aesthetic not performance change being a mATX, I鈥檒l see if that suits my case etc otherwise the black and red gaming pro max from msi is still basic but decent thermals and power output ?聽聽

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35 minutes ago, TeaRoomMosh said:

Okay so it鈥檚 purely an aesthetic not performance change being a mATX, I鈥檒l see if that suits my case etc otherwise the black and red gaming pro max from msi is still basic but decent thermals and power output ?聽聽

yeah, they are both good. i think the mortar max has 2 m.2 slots, which many people like as a feature.

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Mortar has better features than Gaming Plus聽

Has optical out (spdif) , has hdmi and displayport (compared to hdmi and dvi on gaming plus, with gaming plus you'd have one output limited to dvi capabilities which sucks) , has 2 extra usb 3.0 ports on the ioshield AND a usb type c on the ioshield

You're only losing 2 pci-e x1 slots with the matx mortar board.

ALL the recommended boards have bios flashback ... even if you don't get the MAX version (which is guaranteed to come with ryzen 3xxx support from factory), you can simply put the bios on a usb stick and program the bios without cpu installed in the socket.

The versions without MAX in name are identical, they just have a smaller size bios chip, which forces them to use a more lightweight bios (less graphical, more grayscale, more texty) but all the options are there, you're not losing anything.

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15 minutes ago, mariushm said:

Mortar has better features than Gaming Plus聽

Has optical out (spdif) , has hdmi and displayport (compared to hdmi and dvi on gaming plus, with gaming plus you'd have one output limited to dvi capabilities which sucks) , has 2 extra usb 3.0 ports on the ioshield AND a usb type c on the ioshield

You're only losing 2 pci-e x1 slots with the matx mortar board.

ALL the recommended boards have bios flashback ... even if you don't get the MAX version (which is guaranteed to come with ryzen 3xxx support from factory), you can simply put the bios on a usb stick and program the bios without cpu installed in the socket.

The versions without MAX in name are identical, they just have a smaller size bios chip, which forces them to use a more lightweight bios (less graphical, more grayscale, more texty) but all the options are there, you're not losing anything.

Yeah I understand, I would like the mortar just rather full ATX for my case and aesthetics, plus the extra SATA ports and fan headers which I need for aio With 2 fans and 4 other fans in my case, also I鈥檇 be using my GPU for display output anyway. But it鈥檚 annoying id rather the mortar if it was ATX聽

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3 minutes ago, TeaRoomMosh said:

Yeah I understand, I would like the mortar just rather full ATX for my case and aesthetics, plus the extra SATA ports and fan headers which I need for aio With 2 fans and 4 other fans in my case, also I鈥檇 be using my GPU for display output anyway. But it鈥檚 annoying id rather the mortar if it was ATX聽

2 sata ports will be disabled if you use a m.2 drive .... so you'll still end up with 4 connectors.

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On B450M Mortar you have 4 fan headers ... 1 regular and 3 sysfan headers , see pic below.

Also, fan splitters are cheap and you're probably better off getting a sata/molex -> 3-4 fan headers for your front panel fans or whatever you have

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So the only remaining issue is the matx form factor, but that just means you're losing a couple inches on the bottom of the board ... yeah, you'd end up with a few inches of empty space at the bottom but for me, it's not that big of a deal.

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Are you getting a cut from mortar sales ?! Because you鈥檙e really selling it 馃槀 I think I鈥檒l go mortar then if I can fit the fans in as the SATA is still the same pretty much and even then I know you can daisy chain SATA cables to your SSD鈥檚 ...

the only other issue is that it鈥檚 a Corsair case (220t icue)聽and the聽fans and RGB system is so weird and only works with its self, so if I remember right, the fans have 2 cables one for power to mobo and other to the RGB node ? If that鈥檚 the case will I still be able to daisy chain the power cable for two fans out of one mobo connection and plug the 2 fans RGB connectors into the node ? If that鈥檚 so then I鈥檒l get the mortar and daisy chain it聽

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