Any AMD Ryzen with Integrated Graphics?

[GoodGame]

Does any of the Ryzen's have integrated graphics : I've been searching the net for info but all i can find is that 

the only AMD Cpu's to have it are the :

AMD RYZEN 5 2400G & AMD RYZEN 3 2200G

 unlike the intel series it's easy to know with the letter suffix at the end E.G    (F)

 

[Spotty]

Moved to CPUs, Motherboards, and Memory.

 

The ones with G at the end have it.
For Ryzen CPUs that's the Ryzen 3 2200G, Ryzen 5 2400G, Ryzen 3 3200G, and Ryzen 5 3400G.

There's also the Athlon CPUs such as the Athlon 200GE and Athlon 3000G

[GoldenLag]

1 minute ago, GoodGame said:

unlike the intel series it's easy to know with the letter suffix at the end E.G    (F)

 

"F" on intel means it doesnt have integrated grapgics........

 

2 minutes ago, GoodGame said:

I've been searching the net for info but all i can find is that 

the only AMD Cpu's to have it are the :

AMD RYZEN 5 2400G & AMD RYZEN 3 2200G

All Zen chips ending with the "G" suffix means it has integrated graphics. 

 

All of the would be the following 

 

Athlon: 200GE, 220GE, 240GE, 3000G

 

Ryzen: 2200G, 2200GE, 2400G, 3200G, and 3400G.

 

 

(Mobile chips have integrated graphics)

[GoodGame]

Then that's a shame as the Ryzen 7 & 9 doesn't have IG....there's no reason to buy AMD then!!

What happens if something happens to your dedicated GPU, how can you troubleshoot if you can't access bios screen? 

[IrishJ]

1 minute ago, GoodGame said:

Then that's a shame as the Ryzen 7 & 9 doesn't have IG....there's no reason to buy AMD then!!

What happens if something happens to your dedicated GPU, how can you troubleshoot if you can't access bios screen? 

I mean, when your gpu dies you'll notice that quite quickly. And for troubleshoot you don't actually need the bios.

[mariushm]

3 minutes ago, GoodGame said:

Then that's a shame as the Ryzen 7 & 9 doesn't have IG....there's no reason to buy AMD then!!

What happens if something happens to your dedicated GPU, how can you troubleshoot if you can't access bios screen? 

If that happens so often for you, you can always spend 10$ or less on a pci-e video card, here's the first one that doesn't have that custom dms-69 connector (which requires a dms to 2xvga or dms to 2xdvi adapter which costs 2-3$ more) : https://www.ebay.com/itm/HP-538052-001-Radeon-HD4650-1GB-DDR2-Dual-DisplayPort-PCI-E-Graphics-Card/383231511293?epid=2298934256&hash=item593a60cafd:g:FNgAAOSwGj9dssUb

 

An integrated gpu uses a lot of die space (surface inside the chip) and ryzen processors are also special in the sense that there's multiple tiny chiplets inside the cpu, there's not a single big chip.

The ones with integrated graphics are just one chip where the integrated graphics part replaces a number of cpu cores.

[GoodGame]

Well at least with intel you can still use the IG for anything eg browsing, productivity and still even play games until you buy a new GPU.  That's a real shame AMD hasn't implemented that with their Ryzen 7 & 9. Once gpu is has gone you can't do anything until you buy a new one. Lucky i found this out before buying my wife a Ryzen 9 as she would need it for heavy productivity.

[mariushm]

Just now, GoodGame said:

Well at least with intel you can still use the IG for anything eg browsing, productivity and still even play games until you buy a new GPU.  That's a real shame AMD hasn't implemented that with their Ryzen 7 & 9. Once gpu is has gone you can't do anything until you buy a new one. Lucky i found this out before buying my wife a Ryzen 9 as she would need it for heavy productivity.

Like I said, 10-15$ is not a lot of money to spend on a video card that you can keep on shelves for any eventuality

If you're spending 500$ on a Ryzen 3900x, you can spend less than a fan's price worth of money for a spare video card, enough to have the system usable for 2-3 days until replacement video card can be ordered and delivered. 

 

It's just bad thinking on your part. You're willing to trade maybe 10-25% of the performance of your processor, for the extremely small probability that the video card would fail and the system would be unusable.

Insurance companies would love you.

[GoodGame]

not my point buddy? amd can make a cpu with 12 cores and 24 threads yet they can't implement a IG lolzz pathetic.

friggin pathetic? 

[lafrente]

23 minutes ago, GoodGame said:

Then that's a shame as the Ryzen 7 & 9 doesn't have IG....there's no reason to buy AMD then!!

What happens if something happens to your dedicated GPU, how can you troubleshoot if you can't access bios screen? 

If you pay for Ryzen 7 or 9 you can easily pay for a GPU that is way better than an integrated one.

[ewitte]

9 minutes ago, GoodGame said:

not my point buddy? amd can make a cpu with 12 cores and 24 threads yet they can't implement a IG lolzz pathetic.

friggin pathetic? 

 

Takes up space, consumes energy, adds complexity, increases price, etc.  Most people at the high end want a real GPU.  When zen 2 (4000 apu series) launches there will be 8/16 core parts with integrated graphics.  That is more than enough for most people.

[GoodGame]

Yeah i know dude? I already bought the asus rog strix 2080ti, but what i'm saying is , if you understood the point i was saying is that even if something happens to the GPU, you can still use the IG to do things until you get a new GPU? With AMD then you can't use the pc at all until you get the new GPU !! It's just friggin pathetic on their part (AMD) not putting IG in their cpu's. I don't care if you can just buy a Pci-video card. 

[WereCatf]

13 minutes ago, GoodGame said:

not my point buddy? amd can make a cpu with 12 cores and 24 threads yet they can't implement a IG lolzz pathetic.

friggin pathetic? 

Most people who buy high-end CPUs like e.g. Ryzen 7 or Ryzen 9 will be using a separate GPU, so including an integrated GPU in the CPU would be a waste of money for these people and it would also be a waste of die-space. It's not pathetic, you just happen to be in the minority.

[mariushm]

17 minutes ago, GoodGame said:

not my point buddy? amd can make a cpu with 12 cores and 24 threads yet they can't implement a IG lolzz pathetic.

friggin pathetic? 

They CAN... but adding the integrated graphics COSTS and it's not worth it.

Here's the typical intel cpu die ... look how much space the GPU part uses:

 

Now look at the Ryzen (3000g, 3200g die), look how much space uses :

 

CCX0 has 4 cores ... the space that was used for a second CCX is now used by the Vega GPU. This is the reason why all processors with integrated graphics have up to 4 cores.... a single big die is used with everything in it, to be able to control heat produced by cpu cores and gpu cores and so on.

The 12 core and 16 core CPUs are made out of 2 identical chiplets which connect together to a central chip that has the memory controller and some cache...

 

You can't add the integrated gpu into the chiplets because then you'd have 2 integrated graphics cards. If you enable just one of them, then the whole chip would heat up unevenly and cause problems.

You could put the integrated graphics part  inside that single big chip with the pci-e lanes and cache memory but then it would much bigger and more expensive to manufacture and hotter, and it's already hot. It would add maybe 20-50$ to the price of the CPUs and it's not worth it.

 

[ZzLy]

22 hours ago, GoodGame said:

Does any of the Ryzen's have integrated graphics : I've been searching the net for info but all i can find is that 

the only AMD Cpu's to have it are the :

AMD RYZEN 5 2400G & AMD RYZEN 3 2200G

 unlike the intel series it's easy to know with the letter suffix at the end E.G    (F)

 

Anything with a G at the end.