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ATTENTION: there is a covid 19 F@H event happening, you can find it HERE.

 

this is a good opportunity to help with research!

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6 hours ago, Cora_Lie said:

The craziness as reached my country...

 

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Several like that empty... We have 1 confirmed...

Crazy...

We're low on bottled water, paper towels, toilet paper, masks, and rubber gloves atm.

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Yeah Costco and Walmart were both low on toilet paper, and really low on disinfectant spray and wipes. Canned goods seemed low, and I couldn't find any hand sanitizer in either store.

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15 minutes ago, Blademaster91 said:

Yeah Costco and Walmart were both low on toilet paper, and really low on disinfectant spray and wipes. Canned goods seemed low, and I couldn't find any hand sanitizer in either store.

Our dollar store has tons of hand sanitizers, tissues, and other paper goods.

 

However Aldi's is well stocked atm on paper goods and bottled water was half of a pallet.  I bought 5 cases of bottled water today and yesterday.  However Costco and Sam's Club was out of bottle water.  And our local Kroger was out of paper goods.

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Places are getting hit and emptied all over, the way Burning Man hits Reno each year.

 

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South Korea is up to 5,328 over their night.

136,707 tests:

  • 5,328 Confirmed
  • 102,965 negative
  • 28,414 waiting results

 

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For those of you who may care about exact numbers in Italy, I'd suggest you use their web site.

http://www.salute.gov.it/nuovocoronavirus

http://www.salute.gov.it/portale/nuovocoronavirus/dettaglioContenutiNuovoCoronavirus.jsp?lingua=italiano&id=5351&area=nuovoCoronavirus&menu=vuoto

 

I'd been wondering why other sites seemed to be showing a Confirmed higher than what I got from the three numbers.

Thurns out you had to add the three together.

Press conference of the Head of Civil Protection Angelo Borrelli at 6 pm on March 2:
     2036 people who contracted the virus included 1835 positive, 52 died and 149 recovered.
Among the 1835 positives:
     927 are found in home isolation
     742 hospitalized with symptoms
     166 in intensive care

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Today, it appears they changed to matching what is usually done, the first number being the total Confirmed.

Some sites, like CSSE, added them together for March 3 for Italy. I don't know which is the error.

 

Who knows what we'll get for March 4.

18 hours ago, Canoe said:

Italy reported again

 

Conferenza stampa del Capo della protezione civile Angelo Borrelli alle ore 18 del 3 marzo:

  • 2263 le persone che hanno contratto il virus, 79  deceduti e 160 guariti.

Tra i 2263positivi:

  • 1000 si trovano in isolamento domiciliare 
  • 1034 ricoverati con sintomi
  • 229 in terapia intensiva

 

With some others, External to mainland China is up to 12,407.

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And I had a customer today who coughed in my face ..?

 

 

Meanwhile I needed to restock on toilet paper and ended up panic buying more than I needed ..

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24 minutes ago, PhantomJaguar77 said:

And I had a customer today who coughed in my face ..?

eww

 

24 minutes ago, PhantomJaguar77 said:

Meanwhile I needed to restock on toilet paper and ended up panic buying more than I needed ..

Well, you will eventually use it. And for now, that wall is very well insulated...

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10 hours ago, Tony Tony Chopper said:

Countries without cases right now or those that do not take it seriously enough.

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Except, no, not at all. It's like having the normal flu, with a pneumonia aspect if you're weakened...so really not that different.

Congrats on fear mongering.

10 hours ago, Canoe said:

This!

CDC numbers show 32 million Americans have caught the flu already this season...

And that's with ____ number of them having taken the vaccine.

So how many will/can follow the standard flu precautions.

Exactly. Plus something like 370,000 hospitalizations. COVID19 isn't going to overwhelm the healthcare system unless they for some reason decide that everyone that gets it needs to be contained in a hospital. Otherwise, send them home, have them avoid human contact, and you're fine.

8 hours ago, Tony Tony Chopper said:

The danger comes from when there so many cases that hospitals cannot handle more patients anymore, that is when the amount of death's go up, so that you have nothing to worry about is BS, we are all potentially in danger especially older people and sick people, they just closed a third hospital in Netherlands a corona patient was in hospital since friday and has been diagnosed 2 hours ago in the intensive care.

This is why its so important to test everyone, not just those that been on vacation in italy or china etc

Not every single person that gets it needs to be hospitalized. It's actually quite the opposite, and most can be sent home to recover on their own. It sounds more like your government is harsh overreacting. There's no need to close entire hospitals.

8 hours ago, PhantomJaguar77 said:

And even if I get the virus, I’m young and healthy enough, but I have a lot of elderly customers. Some with underlying conditions I could tell. It’d be my public duty to self-isolate to not infect others. Even then I could be asymptomatic and it’s been apparent that the virus can still spread at that stage. That’s the scary part. It’s what happened in Washington State most likely.

Really, if you get sick, you shouldn't be going to work at all. The flu can do the same thing, so it's not really any worse.

7 hours ago, Canoe said:

So far best known: during the asymptomatic incubation period, virus shredding starts occurring, and at some point you would become contagious.

No need to self-isolate. Consult the CDC site on proper prevention.

  • Last I saw, you'd need to wear a surgical mask so you weren't expelling droplets while you talked.
    • Preferably the same for your clients, but they may not take to that and you may not be able to obtain enough masks for all your clients. Alternately, you'd have to treat your clothes that their expelled droplets may have fallen on. Again, consult the CDC site on how to safely remove and wash clothes you believe may be contaminated.
    • This isn't Ebola. It's like the flu, only a greater likelihood of severe consequences.
  • Wash your hands before & after each client.
  • Also between clients, clean surfaces you and your clients are touching, even if no one touched them, as they may have been expelling droplets on such surfaces and they will remain viable for a time, with some documentation suggesting up to nine days.
  • Bleach and other disinfectants can be hard on the lungs, or the nose. Check up on hydrogen peroxide based disinfectants.
    • Concentration Matters: do not guess.
      • Either it won't work, or you could be doing harm.
    • The last time I saw application instructions for such (at an institution that included a day care), the cleaner was applying it nightly to all "touch" surfaces (door knobs, counters, hand rails, floors kids played on, etc.), such that they were wet for ten minutes, to allow for enough time for its action to occur. I checked up on him a few times, and boy was he diligent at being completely thorough.
  • Remember that once you've worn a mask (and clean your hands before putting it on), you have to consider the mask contaminated.

No, he shouldn't be at work at all if he's sick. Surgical masks should be left for the people that actually need them (aka not your average Joe).

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4 minutes ago, dizmo said:

No, he shouldn't be at work at all if he's sick. Surgical masks should be left for the people that actually need them (aka not your average Joe).

That's not for when he's sick.

It's for continuing to see elderly clients, while he's concerned about cross contamination with those in incubation being contagious. 

 

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57 minutes ago, dizmo said:

Plus something like 370,000 hospitalizations. COVID19 isn't going to overwhelm the healthcare system unless they for some reason decide that everyone that gets it needs to be contained in a hospital. Otherwise, send them home, have them avoid human contact, and you're fine.

Not every single person that gets it needs to be hospitalized. It's actually quite the opposite, and most can be sent home to recover on their own. It sounds more like your government is harsh overreacting. There's no need to close entire hospitals.

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The CFR the researchers are using is 0.1 for flu and 2.0 for Covid-19. Twenty times more fatal.

And it's more contagious.

The ballpark figure is 20% of Confirmed will become Severe, of which some will become Critical. For 18% of Severe, they are expected to succumb.

 

Unless people get onboard with proper prevention, those numbers could get rather nasty. There's enough people over-reacting. We'll find out if that motivates them to educate themselves properly and follow the prevention guidelines.

 

From the WHO report based on 72K+ cases.

As it says, look at the proportion of the height of the boxes and the hight of the start of the arrows to get an idea of the outcome, Recovery or Death, for each class of severity.

Severe includes needing intubation and gets more intensive.

Hospitalized won't be the 370K of 32 million of the flu.

Covid19 hospitalized will be Severe and Critical, plus the height of the red in Moderate and Mild - if you get them in time.

 

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What we do have, is as the report notes, care evolved over the course of the outbreak. Later cases, hence the rest of the world, will benefit from what was learnt.

 

Report of the WHO - China Joint Mission

on Coronavirus Disease 2019 (COVID-19) 16-24 February 2020

 

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Thought that this information could be of some interest/value to some: https://www.lbc.co.uk/hot-topics/coronavirus/why-its-more-than-just-another-flu-virus/

 

Some interesting information, if you keep in mind that this is from the CCDC, so "doctored numbers":

 

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Who is most at risk from dying from coronavirus?

The majority of people who contract coronavirus make a full recovery. However, the elderly and infirm are most at risk from the virus.

Interestingly, children don't seem to show symptoms from Covid-19 and there are no known cases of children under 10 being ill with the virus. However, they could spread it to adults, which could make them ill.

According to the latest data from the China Centre for Disease Control, he mortality rate at different ages is:
Age 10-50: 0.3%
Age 51-60: 1.3%
Age 61-70: 3.6%
Age 71-80: 8.0%
Age 81-90: 14.8%

 

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What are the symptoms of coronavirus?

The symptoms are similar to a common cold, including:
- a runny nose
- headache
- cough
- fever
- shortness of breath
- chills
- body aches

In most cases, you won't know whether you have a Coronavirus or a different cold-causing virus, such as rhinovirus.

Some other websites add also diarrhea as a symptom...

 

So... With these symptomes how to make the difference between a cold, the flu, a gastrite and a sinusite?

Does that mean that they'll test everyone who presents some of these symtoms? All of these symptoms?

 

What an headache... *sigh*

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The report phrases that this way
 

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Symptoms of COVID-19 are non-specific and the disease presentation can range from no symptoms (asymptomatic) to severe pneumonia and death.

As of 20 February 2020 and based on 55924 laboratory confirmed cases, typical signs and symptoms include: fever (87.9%), dry cough (67.7%), fatigue (38.1%), sputum production (33.4%), shortness of breath (18.6%), sore throat (13.9%), headache (13.6%), myalgia or arthralgia (14.8%), chills (11.4%), nausea or vomiting (5.0%), nasal congestion (4.8%), diarrhea (3.7%), and hemoptysis (0.9%), and conjunctival congestion (0.8%).

 

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27 minutes ago, Canoe said:

...The ballpark figure is 20% of Confirmed will become Severe, of which some will become Critical. For 18% of Severe, they are expected to succumb.

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What we do have, is as the report notes, care evolved over the course of the outbreak. Later cases, hence the rest of the world, will benefit from what was learnt.

The numbers in the WHO report match the 20% figure above.

They are not materially different from the 18% figure above.

(those ballpark/guideline figures were from ~January cases)

These were for cases to February 20, 2020.

There were improvements noted towards the end of that period.

Things were learnt and improved upon since then. Numbers unknown.

Researchers are learning more each day.

 

Which is why there is such keen interest in the numbers for those classifications arising from South Korea and Italy, and elsewhere.

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That spike in South Korea... it doesn't even seem real.

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"China has one of the biggest militaries in the world -- but none of its personnel have been infected with coronavirus, according to a senior member of the People's Liberation Army."

 

Any sane person will believe this BS?

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50 minutes ago, Deli said:

"China has one of the biggest militaries in the world -- but none of its personnel have been infected with coronavirus, according to a senior member of the People's Liberation Army."

Any sane person will believe this BS?

Would you in his position say anything different?

A nation's army must be cable of defending.

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22 minutes ago, Canoe said:

Would you in his position say anything different?

A nation's army must be cable of defending.

Yeah, I understand that. During the pandemic in 1918, many countries hide the outbreak in the news, especially the death toll of the arm forces.

 

However, put a spin on the situation is one thing. Like saying,"The epidemic has minimum negative impact on our defend forces. The nation is fully capable of defending from any theat, blah ,blah."

 

Saying there is zero infection in the army is just blatant lie.

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Another cruise ship is involved.
 

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The new case involves an “older adult” who was likely exposed to the the virus while overseas on a Princess Cruise line ship that departed from San Francisco to Mexico between February 11 and 22, according to a county press release.

Another coronavirus case in Sonoma County also reportedly originated from the same Grand Princess ship, according to The Press Democrat.

 

https://www.sacbee.com/news/local/article240871226.html


 

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A Sonoma County resident sick with the coronavirus at a local hospital had taken a Princess Cruises line from San Francisco to Mexico in February, the second ship owned by the cruise company linked to confirmed cases of the infectious disease.

The local resident had been aboard the Grand Princess ship that departed Feb. 11 from the Port of San Francisco and returned Feb. 21, county health department spokesman Rohish Lal confirmed Tuesday.

 

https://www.pressdemocrat.com/news/10779399-181/sonoma-county-coronavirus-patient-was

 

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15 Italian tourists have tested positive for coronavirus; AIIMS has confirmed. More tests will be, however, conducted for confirmation. Twenty-one Italian tourists and three Indian tour operators, were on Tuesday sent to an ITBP quarantine facility in Delhi for suspected coronavirus exposure.

 


 

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KIRKLAND, Wash. -- Twelve of 30 firefighters and police officers in Kirkland who have been quarantined after potential or direct exposure to the COVID-19 virus at the city's LifeCare facility are now showing "flu-like" symptoms, according to city of Kirkland officials.

The 30 all had been quarantined after they had responded to calls at the LifeCare Facility in the days before and during an outbreak of COVID-19 that was discovered at the center. At least five patients connected to the center have died and more remain sickened.

 

https://komonews.com/news/coronavirus/12-quarantined-kirkland-firefighters-showing-flu-like-symptoms


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US Policies Will Drive Suspected Coronavirus Patients Underground, Fueling An Epidemic

There is no little irony that the administration’s policies, which they claim are to “protect” the country, will likely fuel an epidemic of coronavirus, or COVID19. There are several ways that is likely to happen.

 

https://www.forbes.com/sites/judystone/2020/03/03/us-policies-will-drive-suspected-coronavirus-patients-underground-fueling-an-epidemic/

 

mystery death in Seattle six days ago now identified as a Covid death

 

 

 

South Florida woman allegedly denied proper testing
 

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MIAMI (CBSMiami) – In what may be the first case of coronavirus in South Florida, a woman who recently returned home from Italy says she was told by doctors at Jackson Memorial Hospital that she “likely” has COVID-19, but that they are unable to verify it because state and federal officials refused to conduct the necessary tests to confirm it.

“The doctor himself told me that, you know, he thinks that the results of my [preliminary] tests mean that I most likely have the COVID-19, but that the Department of Health did not want to pursue it further,” said the woman, who requested that her name not be used to protect her privacy. “It was either the Department of Health or the CDC that decided not to further pursue the inquiry. But I was basically told that it is most likely that I have this virus and that I should self-quarantine.”

“Obviously, I would have liked to know if, in fact, I have this virus.”

https://miami.cbslocal.com/2020/03/02/coronavirus-confusion-miami-woman-allegedly-denied-proper-testing/

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I bet there will be a hearing from US Congress how CDC and Trump administration manage this COVID-19 outbreak soon.

 

As usual, Trump will blame Obama, Hillary Clinton and Dem for the mishandling.

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Active Monitoring of Persons Exposed to Patients with Confirmed

COVID-19 — United States, January–February 2020

 

symptomatic secondary attack rate of

  • 0.45% (95% confidence interval [CI] = 0.12%–1.6%) among all close contacts,
  • 10.5% (95% CI = 2.9%–31.4%) among household members.

http://dx.doi.org/10.15585/mmwr.mm6909e1

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Ah! Can we assume that the WHO has finally stopped covering for China??

 

Now... If we could analyze the data...

 

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The global death rate of the new coronavirus is 3.4 percent, the W.H.O. says.

The head of the World Health Organization said on Tuesday that the global mortality rate for Covid-19, the disease caused by the new coronavirus, was 3.4 percent.

Dr. Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus, the organization’s director general, said in a news conference in Geneva that Covid-19 was deadlier than the seasonal flu, but did not transmit as easily. “Globally, about 3.4 percent of reported Covid-19 cases have died,” Dr. Tedros said. “By comparison, seasonal flu generally kills far fewer than 1 percent of those infected.”

The estimate takes into account the growing number of infections being recorded outside China, mostly in Iran, Italy and South Korea. Dr. Margaret Harris, a W.H.O. spokeswoman, said the figure was a “crudely calculated” snapshot of the disease’s death rate globally, and is expected to “change over time, and vary from place to place.”

The announcement was the first time the organization confirmed a global mortality rate for the disease.

“While many people globally have built up immunity to seasonal flu strains, Covid-19 is a new virus to which no one has immunity,” meaning more people can be infected and some will suffer severe illnesses, Dr. Tedros said. The coronavirus does not transmit as efficiently as the flu but “causes more severe disease,” he added.

When the outbreak was concentrated in Wuhan, the Chinese city where the new virus was first found, the W.H.O. said that the mortality rate of the disease had ranged from 0.7 percent outside of Wuhan to as high as 4 percent inside the city. The organization also said that the epidemic would affect different countries in different ways.

Data from the Chinese government shows that the mortality rate in that country is about 3.7 percent, with most deaths reported in the province of Hubei, which includes Wuhan.

Dr. Tedros added on Tuesday that it was still possible to contain the virus, but warned that “rising demand, hoarding and misuse” of medical supplies such as masks could compromise the world’s ability to fight the outbreak, and he recommended a 40 percent global increase in the production of such supplies.

Source: https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/04/world/coronavirus-news.html?action=click&pgtype=Article&state=default&module=styln-coronavirus&variant=show&region=TOP_BANNER&context=storyline_menu#link-7305d548

And again with this "... that it was still possible to contain the virus ..." ! Really? Stop B***S**** us, for crying out loud! ?

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Just now, Cora_Lie said:

Ah! Can we assume that the WHO has finally stopped covering for China??

 

Now... If we could analyze the data...

 

And again with this "... that it was still possible to contain the virus ..." ! Really? Stop B***S**** us, for crying out loud! ?

WHO has serious credibility problems.

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