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ATTENTION: there is a covid 19 F@H event happening, you can find it HERE.

 

this is a good opportunity to help with research!

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47 minutes ago, williamcll said:

Still no internal cases over here in Hong Kong, where recent protests burned down the under construction quarantine building made for mainlanders.

 

Maybe this outbreak will get governments to provide better healthcare policies now.

They already said that once the Corona Virus is gone.  They won't stop people from eating exotic animals or meats.  So basically they don't care.

 

and this is why

https://www.bangkokpost.com/world/1842104/why-wild-animals-are-a-key-ingredient-in-chinas-coronavirus-outbreak

"Whatever happens, happens." - Spike Spiegel

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16 minutes ago, CalintzJerevinan said:

They already said that once the Corona Virus is gone.  They won't stop people from eating exotic animals or meats.  So basically they don't care.

 

and this is why

https://www.bangkokpost.com/world/1842104/why-wild-animals-are-a-key-ingredient-in-chinas-coronavirus-outbreak

ever heard of mad cow disease?

avian influenza?

Campylobacter?

swine influenza?

 

We have potential to get diseases from all sorts of animals, sure wet markets arent safe and need to be regulated, but its not the meat. Alot of us think that because its bat or snake that were gonna get sick but its no worse than chicken, it just needs to be handled properly, western culture lmao.

 

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1 minute ago, scuff gang said:

ever heard of mad cow disease?

avian influenza?

Campylobacter?

swine influenza?

 

We have potential to get diseases from all sorts of animals, sure wet markets arent safe and need to be regulated, but its not the meat. Alot of us think that because its bat or snake that were gonna get sick but its no worse than chicken, it just needs to be handled properly, western culture lmao.

 

That is correct...but Wuhan, China is the link to the Corona Virus.  They don't care about food safety.

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1 minute ago, CalintzJerevinan said:

That is correct...but Wuhan, China is the link to the Corona Virus.  They don't care about food safety.

just because its exotic meat doesn't mean it isn't safe, hell, chicken and other meat is handled the same way there.

it just happened to be a bat this time, its just as likely that it could have came from dog, beef, frog all sorts of stuff.

 

btw it would be "but wuhan, china, ..."  it made your sentence confusing.

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13 minutes ago, scuff gang said:

ever heard of mad cow disease?

avian influenza?

Campylobacter?

swine influenza?

 

We have potential to get diseases from all sorts of animals, sure wet markets arent safe and need to be regulated, but its not the meat. Alot of us think that because its bat or snake that were gonna get sick but its no worse than chicken, it just needs to be handled properly, western culture lmao.

 

Mad cow and all prion diseases are the easiest food-borne things to avoid though, just don't eat anything from inside the scull or upper spinal cord. I harvest meat from hunting, I know that feral pork has to be frozen for three days or refrigerated for a week, due to trichinosis concerns. I know from personal experience that drinking bird's nest drink made from the nest of Asian swiftlets is a bad idea during the bird flu outbreak. 

 

The thing is, I know these things and will adjust my habits accordingly, but I don't believe the Chinese will. Notice how nearly every quasi-pandemic in the last decade or two has originated in China...

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1 minute ago, BuckGup said:

Wasn't the swine flu, ebola, and the bird flu suppose to kill the world? It didn't

Ebola, The Plaque, and Avian Flu were deadly.

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9 minutes ago, Flying Sausages said:

If ya play Plague Inc game then ya know Greenland is the safest country when epidemic outbreak.

Also this disease triggered symptoms too quickly. When countries start closing borders and are already investing in prevention and cures you know it's game over. The most sneaky one is when entire world population is infected and they show no symptoms. And then shit breaks loose and they start vomiting blood and having lethal aneurysms in a span of few days XD Including Greenlanders.

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5 hours ago, VegetableStu said:

*snip*

still 50% of people over 50 ends up dead, that is a decent mortality level, currently the population infected are in the "safer" age, and also high mortality on childern, and if it spreads like a normal influenca virus, then it is a danger..

 

should have traveled to Japan next week with work, all these travels even to Japan, are cancelled, SARS was not nearly as extreme as how we handle this WUHAN ting.. 

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5 hours ago, BuckGup said:

Wasn't the swine flu, ebola, and the bird flu suppose to kill the world? It didn't

All of them could have.   We’ve got systems in place.  Swine flu was 1970’s.  Bird flu was 10 years ago, Ebola was 2 years ago.  They’re getting more common and we have to keep on getting lucky. Those systems are based on heavy organization, and everything has to work right for them to work.  Eventually something won’t.

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On 1/28/2020 at 2:00 AM, BuckGup said:

Wasn't the swine flu, ebola, and the bird flu suppose to kill the world? It didn't

Bubonic plague came quite close. 

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On 1/28/2020 at 2:00 AM, BuckGup said:

Wasn't the swine flu, ebola, and the bird flu suppose to kill the world? It didn't

Health officials saved the world more like. 

 

I remember getting the h1n1 vaccine.

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On 1/28/2020 at 6:36 AM, williamcll said:

Still no internal cases over here in Hong Kong, where recent protests burned down the under construction quarantine building made for mainlanders.

 

Maybe this outbreak will get governments to provide better healthcare policies now.

weird that they didn't use it to put down the protestation, and after that putting on some propaganda on how they were great to manage the situation and helping people

 

anyway.. with sealed boxes that come from china, shouldn't be any problem right?

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God, I just hope it doesn't go widespread in someplace like US or Canada or something. This is probably one of my greatest fears. Maybe they'll make a vaccine. But then again, all of the anti-vax crap kinda scares me. There's legit videos of people falling dead in the streets in China. I'm thinking of buying new masks (just in case).

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On 1/28/2020 at 2:00 AM, BuckGup said:

Wasn't the swine flu, ebola, and the bird flu suppose to kill the world? It didn't

The 1918 flu pandemic - also known as the "Spanish Flu" - killed something like 25-100 million people (the estimates vary - more current estimates are 50-100 million).

 

To put that into context, World War I, also happening in the same time frame, killed less people.

 

That was the H1N1 strain. It was a level 5 severity - the highest a pandemic can get. It literally killed around 2% of the entire global population.

 

Ebola has a death rate of up to 90%, with an insanely high infection rate to match. We got lucky in that they were able to create a promising looking Ebola vaccine only within the last few years.

 

A pandemic doesn't need to wipe out every human to be really fucking terrible.

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It's China, they've definitely covered up the real body count for this.

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On 1/29/2020 at 9:44 PM, Andreas Lilja said:

Health officials saved the world more like. 

 

I remember getting the h1n1 vaccine.

Correct I wasn't doubting what they have done. They didn't have the medical knowledge and leverage back in the black plaque days. Which makes the whole antivacc thing look even more stupid

 

On 1/29/2020 at 8:26 PM, wasab said:

Bubonic plague came quite close. 

Right but that was in 542AD

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56 minutes ago, BuckGup said:

Right but that was in 542AD

Plague still kills about 8 American's a year and about 340 in the Congo.   The plague didn't go away we just learnt how to treat it better.  The difference between coronavirus and the plague is that the plague is bacterial infection (treatable with antibiotics) while the others are a virus.  When people say "wasn't virus X supposed to wipe us out"  what they are saying is basically part due to falling for media sensationalism (which @RorzNZ tried to explain at the start of this thread), and also part due the fact that authorities have to work on worst case scenario,  even though every year we get better at dealing with it so each outbreak isn't quite the crisis it first looked like.

 

 

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4 minutes ago, mr moose said:

Plague still kills about 8 American's a year and about 340 in the Congo.   The plague didn't go away we just learnt how to treat it better.  The difference between coronavirus and the plague is that the plague is bacterial infection (treatable with antibiotics) while the others are a virus.  When people say "wasn't virus X supposed to wipe us out"  what they are saying is basically part due to falling for media sensationalism (which @RorzNZ tried to explain at the start of this thread), and also part due the fact that authorities have to work on worst case scenario,  even though every year we get better at dealing with it so each outbreak isn't quite the crisis it first looked like.

 

 

Plus, frankly, we've been lucky that an outbreak of one of the deadlier viruses hasn't happened in modern times.

Influenza, for example, varies per it's lethality. Some variants are pretty harmless with proper treatment and modern medicine (seasonal Flu). Some variants can wipe out millions of people if not properly quarantined.

 

Speaking of viruses, my Fiancee and I watched 1995's Outbreak last night. Still a goddamn awesome movie. There are a lot of technical inaccuracies (such as CDC scientists shaking hands when near an infection zone - in real life they "bump" elbows), but it's still a great story and really holds up well still.

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I think it's absolutely believable that China is covering up the real number of cases and the evolution of the spread. They are quite acustomed to the fact... Shall we really make a list of all the health cover ups they did in the past 20 years?

 

In french official newspapers we had several articles published about scientists from Institut Pasteur and other pandemics specialists who where writing that their analytical models and the numbers communicated by Chinese Officials didn't match. And they didn't understand why, officially.

 

Here is another recent article from Hong-Kong University this time which says more or less the same thing :
https://www.scmp.com/news/hong-kong/health-environment/article/3047813/china-coronavirus-hong-kong-medical-experts-call

 

It is also a proven fact that China heavily lobbied WHO for them not to call it an internaltional pandemic alert. Which, once called officially, provokes a whole other level of measures to contain it. Whether it's because of pride, economy, tourism, etc.

 

We were more than due a new pandemic, the last real deadly one with heavy consequences was in 1918, and it is well known even if not officially taught in history books, that the end of WWI was due to the Spanish Flu death toll... Too many sicks and not enough "meat" to send to "play war" (yes, I'm voluntarily ironic here).

 

What really sickens me at this time is the way people are reacting... Several article and news coverage on TV about what's happening in several cities in France, - and if it happens in France, it happens in many other countries as well - as Asian people are insulted, sometimes brutalized just because they look Asian hence they are "Chinese" and so they carry the Coronavirus.

The worst of human beings stupidity and racism starts, again, to show the tip of its nose...

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1 hour ago, Cora_Lie said:

The worst of human beings stupidity and racism starts, again, to show the tip of its nose...

More culturism than anything. They have a bunch of shameful cultural practices, which are at cause here.

 

 

 

 

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