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9 minutes ago, Baron623 said:

I'm planning on making a design on the front panel and that should also give it some more room to breath as well.  I'll try some changing the thermal paste as well.  I have a new tube on hand.

Make sure the mounting is correct and has even pressure across the whole chip, also if your rad and intake fan for the AIO are on the bottom move them somewhere with better airflow on the side or top of the case so it's not obstructed by the floor or in a tight spot to be pulling air in or out, Jayztwocents made a video where he goes over the thermals of the shift and sets it up to get the best temps possible, don't remember which one it is but it's a more recent video from a couple months ago.

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I just put together my new system.  I have a 3800X, 16gig kit of 3200MHz Corsair Vengeance Pro, an Asus Strix x570-i, with an NZXT Kraken M22, all in a Phanteks Evolv Shift.  Before I begin, I know, the shift has awful airflow.  I noticed there was an issue even without the side panels.  In the bios, I noticed that the cpu was idling around 35 C and the package was around 40 C.  After allowing it to sit for a while, not side panels on, it got up to 45C.  After installing windows and all side panels, while completing tasks like checking email, with some downloads in the background, the temperature hovers around 60C.  I am kind of hesitant to do run any benchmarks.  Taking off the front panel does drop it down about 10C.  The aio is mounted in the bottom of the case.  There is an intake next to it.  I remember there being issues with boards giving too much power to some amd chips some time back but I know this is the latest bios.  I don't expect it to be any lower than 40C at Idle.  Any suggestions would be welcome

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Those are definetely safe temps, trust me. "Hot" for Ryzen would be idling at 70°C.

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That's a lot hotter than I'm used to, especially coming from intel.  I mean, it's getting there though.  I'd still be happier around 35C

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You can get the mesh panel upgrade for the shift, or get a different high airflow case. You can check your AIO blocks mounting and make sure its mounted correctly, maybe change the thermal compound for something better if it's the stock compound. When you say the aio is mounted at the bottom, do you mean the rad and fan are mounted pulling air in from the bottom/floor of the case? If so you need to swap the aio radiator and fan to somewhere else in the case that is pulling fresh air in from the top or sides.

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Just now, Baron623 said:

That's a lot hotter than I'm used to, especially coming from intel.  I mean, it's getting there though.  I'd still be happier around 35C

Get used to it. Ryzens favor higher clocks most of the time usually, more than Intel does.

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Idling at 35c is fine... as we speak my 3200g is idling at about 36c with stock cooler.

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1 minute ago, SpookyCitrus said:

You can get the mesh panel upgrade for the shift, or get a different high airflow case. You can check your AIO blocks mounting and make sure its mounted correctly, maybe change the thermal compound for something better if it's the stock compound. When you say the aio is mounted at the bottom, do you mean the rad and fan are mounted pulling air in from the bottom/floor of the case? If so you need to swap the aio radiator and fan to somewhere else in the case that is pulling fresh air in from the top or sides.

I'm planning on making a design on the front panel and that should also give it some more room to breath as well.  I'll try some changing the thermal paste as well.  I have a new tube on hand.

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1 minute ago, NZgamer said:

dling at 35c is fine... as we speak my 3200g is idling at about 36c with stock cooler.

That's Zen+. Zen 2 idles a lot hotter due to how its boost/voltage thing works, idles in the mid to high 40s are totally normal. 

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Just now, Zando Bob said:

That's Zen+. Zen 2 idles a lot hotter due to how its boost/voltage thing works, idles in the mid to high 40s are totally normal. 

True but still trying to prove that if a 3200g is idling at about 35 then a 3800x idling at 35c is fine 

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Just now, NZgamer said:

True but still trying to prove that if a 3200g is idling at about 35 then a 3800x idling at 35c is fine 

Well yes and no, they're different architectures lol. And OP said theirs got up to 45C, which is a lot hotter than 35. But again, that's normal for specifically Zen 2 parts due to how they work. 

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2 minutes ago, NZgamer said:

True but still trying to prove that if a 3200g is idling at about 35 then a 3800x idling at 35c is fine 

Yeah but its idling at 60C with the case closed.

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3 minutes ago, Alex Atkin UK said:

Yeah but its idling at 60C with the case closed.

Oooooo didn't notice that. 

OP, can you run a bench (few back to back runs of CB20 would be fine) to see what load temps are like? You do have that chip trying to run with just a 120mm AIO, but it should still be able to keep it under control. Also what's the coolant temp on your AIO (AIO software should be able to tell you), and you have the pump maxed/set to ramp up to max at any hot-ish temp? 

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9 minutes ago, Baron623 said:

I'm planning on making a design on the front panel and that should also give it some more room to breath as well.  I'll try some changing the thermal paste as well.  I have a new tube on hand.

Make sure the mounting is correct and has even pressure across the whole chip, also if your rad and intake fan for the AIO are on the bottom move them somewhere with better airflow on the side or top of the case so it's not obstructed by the floor or in a tight spot to be pulling air in or out, Jayztwocents made a video where he goes over the thermals of the shift and sets it up to get the best temps possible, don't remember which one it is but it's a more recent video from a couple months ago.

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10 minutes ago, Alex Atkin UK said:

Yeah but its idling at 60C with the case closed.

Oh ok, that's pretty bad then. 

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Idling at 60 isn't good, and is indicative of airflow issues, or bad mount pressure.  Airflow issue could be due to types of fans, availability of their placement, and or lack of airflow in general from the case.  I only purchase cases with high airflow for this reason.

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SpookyCitrus, The rad is probably okay where it is, there are only two spots for case fans.  One at the bottom and one near the motherboard tray.  That is fairly obstructed by the graphics card though.  It would be good to have more air running across the mother board.  I will remount the aio for sure and see if that helps

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14 minutes ago, Tristerin said:

Idling at 60 isn't good, and is indicative of airflow issues, or bad mount pressure.  Airflow issue could be due to types of fans, availability of their placement, and or lack of airflow in general from the case.  I only purchase cases with high airflow for this reason.

Same here, if it's not high airflow I'm not buying it. 

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17 minutes ago, Baron623 said:

SpookyCitrus, The rad is probably okay where it is, there are only two spots for case fans.  One at the bottom and one near the motherboard tray.  That is fairly obstructed by the graphics card though.  It would be good to have more air running across the mother board.  I will remount the aio for sure and see if that helps

Are you saying the rad doesn't have a fan mounted to it? Or the rad is mounted in one of the only two spots?

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23 minutes ago, SpookyCitrus said:

Are you saying the rad doesn't have a fan mounted to it? Or the rad is mounted in one of the only two spots?

The rad does have a fan mounted.  If you look at an image of the evolv shift, you will see that there is room for another fan on the front wall of the case.  I was originally planning on mounting that fan in front of the motherboard but the gpu bracket gets in the way.  I am planning on ordering one of those super low profile fans to see if that will fit.

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