Any Thoughs on MSI 2070 SUPER VENTUS OC?

[MorbidNature]

Anyone have any experience with the MSI GeForce RTX 2070 SUPER 8 GB VENTUS OC ?

 

I recently decided to buy a 2070 Super (under 275mm because of case limits), and I was looking at different board partners I saw there was a noticeable price difference between most cards like Asus/Gigabyte/etc and MSI's  RTX 2070 SUPER 8 GB VENTUS OC.

 

There difference is around 100$, from what I can see there the only big difference is a slight boost speed (Asus being in the lead with 1815 compared to 1785) do you thing that's worth the difference?

[Ralf]

According to this 

the cooler is just as bad as the blower version.

[Constantin]

10 minutes ago, MorbidNature said:

Anyone have any experience with the MSI GeForce RTX 2070 SUPER 8 GB VENTUS OC ?

 

I recently decided to buy a 2070 Super (under 275mm because of case limits), and I was looking at different board partners I saw there was a noticeable price difference between most cards like Asus/Gigabyte/etc and MSI's  RTX 2070 SUPER 8 GB VENTUS OC.

 

There difference is around 100$, from what I can see there the only big difference is a slight boost speed (Asus being in the lead with 1815 compared to 1785) do you thing that's worth the difference?

I have myself the MSI 2070, i am very pleased with it.

[Jurrunio]

There's a reason why a 2060 cooler on a 2070 Super is a bad idea... and it's not that good of a performer on the 2060 either.

[NoGanksEric]

It doesn't matter. Yes it runs warmer than other cards. 

No that doesn't affect anything besides your exhaust air being a little warmer. 

It's still a 2070S and will perform like one 

[Whiro]

2 hours ago, NoGanksEric said:

It doesn't matter. Yes it runs warmer than other cards. 

No that doesn't affect anything besides your exhaust air being a little warmer. 

It's still a 2070S and will perform like one 

That’s not entirely true. If the card runs hotter it’ll thermal throttle and not boost as high as card with better cooling solution.

[NoGanksEric]

7 hours ago, Whiro said:

That’s not entirely true. If the card runs hotter it’ll thermal throttle and not boost as high as card with better cooling solution.

Well yes. But if the card is really so bad that it will throttle it wouldn't be on the market anymore. 

Every gpu is built to meet the expected performance and that card is no difference. 

 

[Whiro]

11 minutes ago, NoGanksEric said:

Well yes. But if the card is really so bad that it will throttle it wouldn't be on the market anymore. 

Every gpu is built to meet the expected performance and that card is no difference. 

 

Of course it’ll be on the market, but for lower price. That’s the main point of differentiation between cards, why evga have so many cards? Some have better coolers and can hit higher speeds which impacts performance. Don’t get me wrong all cards will hit speeds advertised by nvidia, but cards with better coolers will surpass this. Also most likely they will oc better cos they have more temp headroom  

[NoGanksEric]

5 hours ago, Whiro said:

Of course it’ll be on the market, but for lower price. That’s the main point of differentiation between cards, why evga have so many cards? Some have better coolers and can hit higher speeds which impacts performance. Don’t get me wrong all cards will hit speeds advertised by nvidia, but cards with better coolers will surpass this. Also most likely they will oc better cos they have more temp headroom  

But even the worst card will probably hit the silicon limits before the temp limit. 

 

[jensen123]

I'll just leave my 2 cents of experience here:

 

I've been gaming on my MSI 2070 Super Ventus OC for months now and I can tell you this: The hottest it has ever run was on Division 2 and Breakpoint when it peaked at 83C after 1 or 2 hours of playing (I kept on playing for a few hours after checking temps and it never went above 83C). I've watched my temps and whatnot on MSI Afterburner and even when the card is pushed to 83C it doesn't throttle, when it's cold it hits 1950mhz and when it's at 83C it hits 1950mhz.

 

And that's the thing you need to remember, it's cheaper AND it's overclocked. You get very similar if not the same performance as the hundreds of pounds more expensive cards for ... a lower price. And the drawbacks? It runs a bit hotter. Big deal. As long as it doesn't throttle I really couldn't care less - and it doesn't. The only pet peeve I may have is that the fans are very loud, but aside from that I've had 0 issues with it.

 

If you have a thicc wallet to throw around, obviously get the 3x fan cards, if you're on a tighter budget, this card is an absolute bargain.

[ketchupspill]

35 minutes ago, jensen123 said:

I'll just leave my 2 cents of experience here:

 

I've been gaming on my MSI 2070 Super Ventus OC for months now and I can tell you this: The hottest it has ever run was on Division 2 and Breakpoint when it peaked at 83C after 1 or 2 hours of playing (I kept on playing for a few hours after checking temps and it never went above 83C). I've watched my temps and whatnot on MSI Afterburner and even when the card is pushed to 83C it doesn't throttle, when it's cold it hits 1950mhz and when it's at 83C it hits 1950mhz.

 

And that's the thing you need to remember, it's cheaper AND it's overclocked. You get very similar if not the same performance as the hundreds of pounds more expensive cards for ... a lower price. And the drawbacks? It runs a bit hotter. Big deal. As long as it doesn't throttle I really couldn't care less - and it doesn't. The only pet peeve I may have is that the fans are very loud, but aside from that I've had 0 issues with it.

 

If you have a thicc wallet to throw around, obviously get the 3x fan cards, if you're on a tighter budget, this card is an absolute bargain.

question. if it runs a bit hotter, wont that actually end up thermal throttling? or is it just cutting it close enough to hit peak performance without throttling?

[i_build_nanosuits]

You guys worry about frequency and throttling..the real issue with bad cooler cards is not really that...it's the NOISE they make...they will spin fans faster and get loud...

 

Personally I love a quiet PC so I don't buy them.

[05MilMachine]

I have been running this card for a few months. It runs consistently at 75c while folding running a solid 1920 to 1935mhz. I have seen the occasional 82c while gaming. The noise isn't enough to bother me. I kind of like hearing something when hardware is going full throttle anyway. FWIW, this is on my toy computer, I don't have to sit next to it all day, that might change my mind.  If your case has good airflow, this card works fine though.

[jensen123]

1 hour ago, ketchupspill said:

question. if it runs a bit hotter, wont that actually end up thermal throttling? or is it just cutting it close enough to hit peak performance without throttling?

I'm not sure, I don't know the actual temp the card has to reach to start throttling. But I've peaked at 83C and had no performance loss. I would imagine MSI thought about the temp limit since the card runs the 'stock' cooler from the standard 2060 (I think) and is overclocked. It would be pointless if the additional performance from the overclock was locked away behind throttling ...

[jensen123]

23 minutes ago, 05MilMachine said:

I have been running this card for a few months. It runs consistently at 75c while folding running a solid 1920 to 1935mhz. I have seen the occasional 82c while gaming. The noise isn't enough to bother me. I kind of like hearing something when hardware is going full throttle anyway. FWIW, this is on my toy computer, I don't have to sit next to it all day, that might change my mind.  If your case has good airflow, this card works fine though.

One thing I have tried, although haven't tested enough to say it works 100%, but I stuck a 140mm noctua fan underneath the card so it pushes more air up the cooler and I think I had like a 3C improvement.

[ketchupspill]

7 hours ago, jensen123 said:

One thing I have tried, although haven't tested enough to say it works 100%, but I stuck a 140mm noctua fan underneath the card so it pushes more air up the cooler and I think I had like a 3C improvement.

ah alright. so yeah it its cutting it close, and it might have a couple Cs hgher than others, but still works just fine

[05MilMachine]

21 hours ago, jensen123 said:

One thing I have tried, although haven't tested enough to say it works 100%, but I stuck a 140mm noctua fan underneath the card so it pushes more air up the cooler and I think I had like a 3C improvement.

Might be something to try. I am running a cheaper case with a 280mm AIO rad pushing its air at the card which I don't think helps my situation much. I have three 120mm fans at the top of the case to suck out the heat. It seems to have good airflow although the side window of the case next to the card gets pretty warm.

[jensen123]

So I've been messing around and here is what I experienced:

 

I'm still not certain if the GPU is actually throttling at 83C, as the max speeds it normally achieves is 1950-75mhz, while at 83C it goes down to about 1850mhz, so 100 less. not sure if that's a big difference or if that's thermalthrottling, but that happens.

 

Also, I've been playing some AC:O, and the game absolutely shanks the GPU in its liver, but after sticking one 140mm noctua fan under the card to force more air into its cooler, the highest temp while playing AC:O that I got was 71C, so a pretty big improvement and the speeds were able to stay at 1950mhz. I mean this card is the super version that's overclocked and has only 2 fans, so MSI probably pushed it right to the limit, if not went a bit over.

 

I also tried putting a 80 or 90 whatever mm noctua fan the same way but it made no noticable difference, so I suppose a fan that size is too small to blow enough air.

 

I also tried putting the same smaller fan as an exhaust fan below the GPU, so I screwed it to the available slots since they have big enough holes for screws to go in, but that setup had zero effect.

[jensen123]

On 4/11/2020 at 2:03 PM, 05MilMachine said:

Might be something to try. I am running a cheaper case with a 280mm AIO rad pushing its air at the card which I don't think helps my situation much. I have three 120mm fans at the top of the case to suck out the heat. It seems to have good airflow although the side window of the case next to the card gets pretty warm.

Yeah I suppose one disadvantage of an AIO is that any air from the outside the fans pull in will get to the other components warm because of tha rad. Trying my strategy with the 140mm fan below the gpu might be a good idea for you, I just tested it with my GPU and it seems to have dropped the temp by about 10C.