Advice for a PSU to replace a VS550

[manateeman77]

Hello! I originally purchased Corsair's VS550, but I have been put off by the reviews of it being dangerous/brekaing quickly, and I've seen it placed pretty low on a few tier lists. I bought it because the Amazon reviews looked good (oops), and the price was also within my budget. I'm currently looking at Corsair's TX650M to buy to replace it, as it was rated in Tier A on the tier list below, but I would rather not make the mistake of going purely by Amazon reviews again, so I would really appreciate any advice or recommendations of other PSU's.
It might also be worth mentioning that safety is a big concern for me.

 

Ideally, I'd prefer if the price of the PSU did not stray too far from the TX650M's price, i.e. 70GBP or 93USD.

 

Just as a side question, do all the cables come with the TX650M? (Not used to modular PSUs)
 

Thank you!
 

Link to Corsair's TX650M: https://www.amazon.co.uk/Corsair-Certified-Hybrid-Modular-Supply/dp/B06WVWXPVZ/ Link to Tier List I've been mainly using: https://linustechtips.com/main/topic/1116640-psu-tier-list-40/
 

The Specs of my Other Components:
CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 3600 3.6GHz 6-Core
Motherboard: MSI B450M PRO-M2 V2 Micro ATX AM4
Memory: 16GB DDR4 3200MHz
Storage: 1TB Hard Drive, 240GB SSD
Video Card: MSI GeForce GTX 1660 Ti 6GB ARMOR OC

[Whiro]

For your system good quality 500w will be plenty. I can suggest this (tiny bit over your budget)

 

https://www.scan.co.uk/products/550w-corsair-rmx-series-2018-rm550x-full-modular-80-plus-gold-sli-crossfire-single-rail-458a-140mm-f

[Whiro]

10 minutes ago, manateeman77 said:

Just as a side question, do all the cables come with the TX650M?

And yes when you buying modular psu all the necessary cables are included

[manateeman77]

56 minutes ago, Whiro said:

For your system good quality 500w will be plenty. I can suggest this (tiny bit over your budget)

 

https://www.scan.co.uk/products/550w-corsair-rmx-series-2018-rm550x-full-modular-80-plus-gold-sli-crossfire-single-rail-458a-140mm-f

Thank you! How might you compare the two PSU's, apart from their power supply rating and price? From what I can tell, they're both of similar quality.

[seon123]

11 minutes ago, manateeman77 said:

Thank you! How might you compare the two PSU's, apart from their power supply rating and price? From what I can tell, they're both of similar quality.

By their performance, noise and features...? I mean, how do you pick GPUs, CPUs, coolers etc?

I'll recommend the Formula 450W. It has multi rail OCP, performs well, and it's quiet.

[LukeSavenije]

14 minutes ago, manateeman77 said:

Thank you! How might you compare the two PSU's, apart from their power supply rating and price? From what I can tell, they're both of similar quality.

they are the same tier, but not the same quality

 

the rmx performs better, has in-cable caps and is more quiet.

 

formula would work as @seon123 suggested, but is non-modular

[Mezoxin]

59 minutes ago, seon123 said:

By their performance, noise and features...? I mean, how do you pick GPUs, CPUs, coolers etc?

I'll recommend the Formula 450W. It has multi rail OCP, performs well, and it's quiet.

multirail OCP for such low wattage i dont think it has any benefit and someone please correct me if I am wrong 

 

the only benefit of multirail OCP is that it wont let any of the grouped cables on one connector go beyond 40A to prevent  them from overheating and melting their insulation , and a 450w PSU cant provide that much amps anyways 

 

I would not go less than a 550 PSU anyways to make sure that any near future single gpu upgrades wont require me to changethe PSU again , the TX-M and the RMx are  great options

[seon123]

11 minutes ago, Mezoxin said:

multirail OCP for such low wattage i dont think it has any benefit and someone please correct me if I am wrong 

 

the only benefit of multirail OCP is that it wont let any of the grouped cables on one connector go beyond 40A to prevent  them from overheating and melting their insulation , and a 450w PSU cant provide that much amps anyways 

 

I would not go less than a 550 PSU anyways to make sure that any near future single gpu upgrades wont require me to changethe PSU again , the TX-M and the RMx are  great options

The benefits of multirail are reduced on lower wattage PSUs, yes.

Buying a PSU of an arbitrarily higher wattage is a bit silly, imo. Why stop at 550W? Why not go for 750W or 850W? At 450W, you should be fine with some fairly high end GPUs. If you spend more on a PSU, you should invest into quality, which you know you will benefit from, rather than the wattage, which you have no idea if you'll benefit from.

[Mezoxin]

Just now, seon123 said:

The benefits of multirail are reduced on lower wattage PSUs, yes.

Buying a PSU of an arbitrarily higher wattage is a bit silly, imo. Why stop at 550W? Why not go for 750W or 850W? At 450W, you should be fine with some fairly high end GPUs. If you spend more on a PSU, you should invest into quality, which you know you will benefit from, rather than the wattage, which you have no idea if you'll benefit from.

ofcourse thats why i reccomended the TX-M or Rmx which are both quality units , but having a 450w psu is limiting the users options when he needs to upgrade his gpu and overclock his cpu in the near future , a 550w-650w quality PSU is suffieiecnt for any single gpu setup 

[seon123]

1 minute ago, Mezoxin said:

ofcourse thats why i reccomended the TX-M or Rmx which are both quality units , but having a 450w psu is limiting the users options when he needs to upgrade his gpu and overclock his cpu in the near future , a 550w-650w quality PSU is suffieiecnt for any single gpu setup 

The Formula is quieter than the TXM, so I consider it a better option. Both the TXM and RMx use daisy chained PCIe connectors on a single modular cable, meaning you shouldn't use it with GPUs with a TDP above 225W. Taking that into consideration, which setups can be run on those, but not on the Formula 450W? Overclocking a 3600 won't affect anything, really.

[Mezoxin]

Just now, seon123 said:

The Formula is quieter than the TXM, so I consider it a better option. Both the TXM and RMx use daisy chained PCIe connectors on a single modular cable, meaning you shouldn't use it with GPUs with a TDP above 225W. Taking that into consideration, which setups can be run on those, but not on the Formula 450W? Overclocking a 3600 won't affect anything, really.

 you have two sets of cables not just one , with a total of 4 (6+2 pin pci-e connectors) I dont see the Problem could you explain more please ?

file:///C:/Users/user/Downloads/cybenetics_HIS.pdf

 and i dont know why you mentioned 225w specifically as the max ,  these are eight 600mm 18 guage wires , they could handle much more 

 

Something like the RTX2070 or 2080 super might push a system like that too close to its capacity under full load 

 

 

[seon123]

2 minutes ago, Mezoxin said:

 you have two sets of cables not just one , with a total of 4 (6+2 pin pci-e connectors) I dont see the Problem could you explain more please ?

file:///C:/Users/user/Downloads/cybenetics_HIS.pdf

 and i dont know why you mentioned 225w specifically as the max ,  these are eight 600mm 18 guage wires , they could handle much more 

 

Something like the RTX2070 or 2080 super might push a system like that too close to its capacity under full load 

 

 

That's the 650W. The 550W has a single PCIe cable. I wasn't clear that I was referring to the 550W, sorry.

2070 should definitely be fine on a 450W. A 2080 Super could be too much due to the transients, so you could consider a 550-650W PSU. I would however consider such an upgrade to be unlikely in a system that starts with a 3600 and 1660 Ti.

[Mezoxin]

you never now these days same tier gpu's are getting hungrier for power with each update , and I dont know much about AMD power draws but my stock i7 9700k although its rated as 95w TDP under full synthetic avx loads it hits 190 watts , I see the formula being sold at the same price of the TX-M 650 in most countries and its semi modular  so i would personally prefer it 

[Guest]

4 hours ago, manateeman77 said:

Hello! I originally purchased Corsair's VS550, but I have been put off by the reviews of it being dangerous/brekaing quickly, and I've seen it placed pretty low on a few tier lists.

As an FYI:  99% of the people that say that the VS is dangerous and break quickly have never even used one.

 

It's an assumption made due to it's low efficiency, low price and lack of features.

 

[LukeSavenije]

10 hours ago, jonnyGURU said:

It's an assumption made due to it's low efficiency, low price and lack of features.

and the fact that the 2012 was a bit... low quality to say it lightly

 

but i still don't recommend the vs in general to buy new, because of my view on group regulation, and you're allowed that

 

even if i think VS is one of the best group regulated units out there, it still is one

[Guest]

4 hours ago, LukeSavenije said:

and the fact that the 2012 was a bit... low quality to say it lightly

Wait... There was a VS 2012?????

 

Where was I?  I've never seen that!!!

 

[LukeSavenije]

1 minute ago, jonnyGURU said:

There was a VS 2012?????

then name the right year for me, as far as i'm aware it's a 2012.

 

The orange label discontinued VS series

[Guest]

35 minutes ago, LukeSavenije said:

then name the right year for me, as far as i'm aware it's a 2012.

 

The orange label discontinued VS series

Maybe it was 2012.   Maybe it wasn't.

 

I try not to use these made up suffixes.  CX750M and CX850M got a MOSFET upgrade in 2017, marketing adds "2017" to the model name to differentiate and now everyone calls CXM's made after 2017 "2017 Edition".

 

As long as there was never a "VS 2012 Edition", then I think saying "VS 2012 Edition" is a dumb thing to say.  It almost implies there's a multitude of "editions" when there's in fact only two.  The original that was 230V only that CWT made and the new one made by HEC.

 

But I'm sure Corsair's marketing will come along and kick off a few more revisions to confuse everyone more so.  I'll wait until then what we should call them in the forums.

[LukeSavenije]

8 minutes ago, jonnyGURU said:

The original that was 230V only that CWT made and the new one made by HEC.

well... of course

 

but when i say the HEC VS only a couple people will understand. so i add either the year or the label (orange or gray). same thing with the CX, CXM, RM, RMX, HX, AX, AXi and every other corsair unit that has had it's revisions over the years

 

and with the cxm, i see the 2015 and 2017 still as a similar, if not the same psu because of the small changes, and generally don't even recommend the cxm much currently because i think pricing on it is too high.

14 minutes ago, jonnyGURU said:

But I'm sure Corsair's marketing will come along and kick off a few more revisions to confuse everyone more so

don't worry, you're not on the silverstone level yet

[Zando_]

Just now, LukeSavenije said:

generally don't even recommend the cxm much currently because i think pricing on it is too high.

^^^ This is true, the CX is (AFAIK) a better PSU now, and it's usually priced the same/cheaper. The little bit of modularity on the CXM isn't really noticeable (I have both, extra cables on the CX aren't a bother at all), better off with the better PSU. 

[LukeSavenije]

Just now, Zando Bob said:

his is true, the CX is (AFAIK) a better PSU now

yep, as jon himself knows a LLC half bridge will be better than the double forward topology used in the CXM

 

the cx used to be on the same platform as current cxm with the 2012/green/CWT PUQ-B 750w+. for some reason cx has been renewed to it's current state in 2017, while cxm just kept the same platform with it's refresh in 2017

[Guest]

2 hours ago, LukeSavenije said:

well... of course

 

but when i say the HEC VS only a couple people will understand. so i add either the year or the label (orange or gray). same thing with the CX, CXM, RM, RMX, HX, AX, AXi and every other corsair unit that has had it's revisions over the years

If you add the year, people still don't understand because it's not like Googling "VS Series 2012" yields any results.

 

That's why I go by the label color.

 

At least when they upgraded VS to Bronze efficiency, they didn't call it "VS Bronze" and are calling it "CV Series":

 

https://clearesult5.sharepoint.com/sites/PLS/Shared Documents/Forms/AllItems.aspx?id=%2Fsites%2FPLS%2FShared Documents%2FCORSAIR_RPS0128 (CP-9020211) (CV650)_650W_SOCE 5733_Report.pdf&parent=%2Fsites%2FPLS%2FShared Documents&p=true

 

[LukeSavenije]

8 minutes ago, jonnyGURU said:

CV Series

that's the first time i hear that name...

 

i go with whatever fits best in the situation, really

 

everyone their thing i guess

[Guest]

32 minutes ago, LukeSavenije said:

that's the first time i hear that name...

Because it just came out. 

 

[LukeSavenije]

32 minutes ago, jonnyGURU said:

Because it just came out. 

yeah... makes sense

 

keep me updated, i'll see if i can burn it to the ground, or if it's actually a worthy "V" for me