INTEL VS. AMD FOR 4K GAMING IN 2020 !!! i7 9700K vs Ryzen 7 3700x OR i5 9600K vs i5 8400 !!!

[Zadkhiel]

Cheers all !

 

2019 is almost over and I AM GOING CRAZY reading forums, reviews and watching videos and benchmarks for MONTHS NOW !

I need A SOLID CPU AND MOTHERBOARD FOR GAMING.  So I would much appreciate your help. 

I'm usually watching movies, tv series or playing games on my 55" Oled TV. 

I was this close to go for a Ryzen 7 3700x, but then I read hundreds of forums of desperate people that have so many problems with either the BIOS of the motherboards, the CPU, the software, windows, or even random issues like crashing, freezing, resetting, boot failure and so on . . .

I mean, there are so many problems with AMD even in 2020 that I cant believe . . .

I have been a Intel owner for at least 13 years or more and I NEVER HAD ISSUES LIKE AMD !

No, I'm not a fanboy but I value stability and compatibility the most !

Oh, intending to go 4K in 2020 also so future proofing would be nice, specially cause I intend to keep the CPU for 3 to 5 years.

Budget: I could streach for the top CPU's, but giving the fact that I basically don't do any work and I mostly game on the PC, would be nice to allocate some money in a good GPU for 4K future proof !

MY BUILD WILL BE: 

ASUS MOTHERBOARD (Most likely ) ??

32GB OF RAM G.SKILL 3600Mhz

GTX 1060 6GB ( I'm stuck with for now, but will UPGRADE TO A 2080 SUPER, somewhere in 2020 after the prices drop down) 

PLEASE HELP ME DECIDE BETWEEN:

Intel I7 9700k vs Ryzen 7 3700x 

                             or

Intel i59600k vs i5 8400 

 

P.S - I now have a i7 7700(NON K) with 16 GB RAM and a GTX 1060 6GB

 

IS IT WORTH UPGRADING ( The CPU+Motherboard+RAM)  FOR 4K AND FUTURE PROOFING ? Or should I buy a GTX 2070 or 2080 SUPER and stick with my current config? 

 

Thank you kindly !

 

[Jurrunio]

4 minutes ago, Zadkhiel said:

( I'm stuck with for now, but will UPGRADE TO A 2080 SUPER, somewhere in 2020 after the prices drop down) 

You mean when Nvidia's next gen cards are about to launch?

 

4 minutes ago, Zadkhiel said:

4K

Which is so harsh on the GPU, even a R5 3600 or 9400F will do

 

5 minutes ago, Zadkhiel said:

32GB

gaming dont benefit from more than 16GB

 

10 minutes ago, Zadkhiel said:

desperate people that have so many problems with either the BIOS of the motherboards, the CPU, the software, windows, or even random issues like crashing, freezing, resetting, boot failure and so on . . .

Intel screw you over in the future instead, imo a tie

[Mister Woof]

19 minutes ago, Zadkhiel said:

Cheers all !

 

2019 is almost over and I AM GOING CRAZY reading forums, reviews and watching videos and benchmarks for MONTHS NOW !

I need A SOLID CPU AND MOTHERBOARD FOR GAMING.  So I would much appreciate your help. 

I'm usually watching movies, tv series or playing games on my 55" Oled TV. 

I was this close to go for a Ryzen 7 3700x, but then I read hundreds of forums of desperate people that have so many problems with either the BIOS of the motherboards, the CPU, the software, windows, or even random issues like crashing, freezing, resetting, boot failure and so on . . .

I mean, there are so many problems with AMD even in 2020 that I cant believe . . .

I have been a Intel owner for at least 13 years or more and I NEVER HAD ISSUES LIKE AMD !

No, I'm not a fanboy but I value stability and compatibility the most !

Oh, intending to go 4K in 2020 also so future proofing would be nice, specially cause I intend to keep the CPU for 3 to 5 years.

Budget: I could streach for the top CPU's, but giving the fact that I basically don't do any work and I mostly game on the PC, would be nice to allocate some money in a good GPU for 4K future proof !

MY BUILD WILL BE: 

ASUS MOTHERBOARD (Most likely ) ??

32GB OF RAM G.SKILL 3600Mhz

GTX 1060 6GB ( I'm stuck with for now, but will UPGRADE TO A 2080 SUPER, somewhere in 2020 after the prices drop down) 

PLEASE HELP ME DECIDE BETWEEN:

Intel I7 9700k vs Ryzen 7 3700x 

                             or

Intel i59600k vs i5 8400 

 

P.S - I now have a i7 7700K with 16 GB RAM and a GTX 1060 6GB

 

IS IT WORTH UPGRADING ( The CPU+Motherboard+RAM)  FOR 4K AND FUTURE PROOFING ? Or should I buy a GTX 2070 or 2080 SUPER and stick with my current config? 

 

Thank you kindly !

 

You have a 7700k?

 

Just buy a new graphics card. You won't notice the difference between an overclocked 7700k and anything else unless you have a 2080 ti and/or only play at 1080p and want over 144fps.

 

Even then, it's definitely not worth the money on a new CPU just for better minimums.

[Zadkhiel]

1 minute ago, Plutosaurus said:

You have a 7700k?

 

Just buy a new graphics card.

Yes, Im thinking of that as well, but I feel the 7700k is not so future proof as 8 core Ryzen 7 3700x or i7 9700k. From what I understand, Cry engine uses 8 cores by default as well as Unreal engine and Ubisoft . . .

[Mister Woof]

1 minute ago, Zadkhiel said:

Yes, Im thinking of that as well, but I feel the 7700k is not so future proof as 8 core Ryzen 7 3700x or i7 9700k. From what I understand, Cry engine uses 8 cores by default as well as Unreal engine and Ubisoft . . .

I mean, it's not as future proof.

 

But it also costs you zero dollars.

[Zadkhiel]

11 minutes ago, Jurrunio said:

You mean when Nvidia's next gen cards are about to launch?

 

Which is so harsh on the GPU, even a R5 3600 or 9400F will do

 

gaming dont benefit from more than 16GB

 

Intel screw you over in the future instead, imo a tie

Not sure if its a tie . . .With all AMD's issues, I'm scared to go down that road

 

So wich would be more future proofed ? 

[Mister Woof]

I'm grab a 5700xt for $370 and run than until the 7700k doesn't work anymore.

 

Future proof is meaningless if your current hardware is doing the job.

 

When it stops going the job, then reassess. It will likely be later, and your can just upgrade then. 

 

Right now, for gaming, a 7700k isn't really much worse than a 3900x.

 

Worst case scenario in games like ACOD or RDR2, with a 2080 ti, there's only a relatively small difference.

 

You aren't going to be using a 2080 ti and so the differences will be even less predicable.

2 minutes ago, Zadkhiel said:

Not sure if its a tie . . .With all AMD's issues, I'm scared to go down that road

 

So wich would be more future proofed ? 

 

[Zadkhiel]

2 minutes ago, Plutosaurus said:

I mean, it's not as future proof.

 

But it also costs you zero dollars.

Yes, I see your point ! But I was thinking of upgrading the cpu+mb+ram now and maybe go for a 2080 Super later in 2020, when the prices go down...

[Mister Woof]

Just now, Zadkhiel said:

Yes, I see your point ! But I was thinking of upgrading the cpu+mb+ram now and maybe go for a 2080 Super later in 2020, when the prices go down...

See above.

 

Also see here and look at the benchmarks I posted.

 

 

[Zadkhiel]

2 minutes ago, Plutosaurus said:

I'm grab a 5700xt for $370 and run than until the 7700k different work anymore.

 

Future proof is meaningless if your current hardware is doing the job.

 

When it stops going the job, then reassess. It will likely be later, and your can just upgrade then. 

 

Right now, for gaming, a 7700k isn't really much worse than a 3900x.

 

I thought as well, but then I see lots of benchmarks and reviews that say the Ryzen 7 3700x is a tie and even better in some tests than i9 . . .Dunno what to believe anymore :)) 

[Mister Woof]

Just now, Zadkhiel said:

I thought as well, but then I see lots of benchmarks and reviews that say the Ryzen 7 3700x is a tie and even better in some tests than i9 . . .Dunno what to believe anymore :)) 

Look at what I posted.

[Zadkhiel]

4 minutes ago, Plutosaurus said:

See above.

 

Also see here and look at the benchmarks I posted.

 

 

Just checked I actually have the NON K version. So just i7 7700 here Will it do the job for another 3-5 years ? 

 

 

[Mister Woof]

Just now, Zadkhiel said:

Just checked I actually have the NON K version. So just i7 7700 here Will it do the job for another 3-5 years ? 

 

 

 

Frequency sucks more, and no it probably won't last 3-5 years, but if you are using a 1060 it won't matter what CPU you pair it with. Even if you got a 9900k it will still be limited by that graphics card.

 

Get a new GPU and you'll still get a lot out of it. New CPU now will get you almost nothing in terms of gaming.

[Zadkhiel]

But still, if you had to choose between I7 900k vs Ryzen 7 3700x or I5 9600k vs i5 8400? 

 

Keep in mind that my i7 7700 is a 4 coresbcpu and the above are 8 and 6 cores cpu...so big difference...

[Mister Woof]

5 minutes ago, Zadkhiel said:

But still, if you had to choose between I7 900k vs Ryzen 7 3700x or I5 9600k vs i5 8400? 

 

Keep in mind that my i7 7700 is a 4 coresbcpu and the above are 8 and 6 cores cpu...so big difference...

If I were you I would not buy any new cpus right now.

 

Ryzen 4000 will come out middle of next year and your current cpu can power a mid-range gpu fine for the most part.

 

You can buy a new CPU now to "future proof" when your current cpu is fine, and gain very little,

 

Or you can buy a new CPU in 6 months to "future proof" when your current cpu is less capable and becoming a hindrance, and at that time the 4000 will be better than the current 3000 and be even more future proof. Because you bought more time by holding out.

 

Either way, waiting doesn't really cost you anything.

[Zadkhiel]

I agree, but getting in to " the waiting game " will get me nowhere ! 

 

I too have high hopes for Ryzen 4000, though from what I understand it will only have a slight boost in freq and probably better single thread performance, so I would expect just a minor improvement over the 3000 series

 

Plus, now the 2080 Super is pretty high and seen as Im stuck on 1080p ( My 55" Oled ) I dont see any point in buying a graphics card now, because my 1060 6GB handles everything at High to Ultra settings for now.

 

That is why, I thought it would be best to upgrade cpu+mb+ram now and next year, when I have the money, I can go 4K( Wich means upgrading to a 2080 super + a new 4K OLED TV ) 

 

What are your thoughts? 

[martward]

Upgrading now doesn't make sense. Take the money you would need to purchase the upgrade now and put it somewhere save, then next year upgrade all of it together. You're getting worse "future proofing" by buying a cpu now that does literally nothing with that GPU, so you're not better off now and you're worse off in the future.

[Letgomyleghoe]

55 minutes ago, Zadkhiel said:

I was this close to go for a Ryzen 7 3700x, but then I read hundreds of forums of desperate people that have so many problems with either the BIOS of the motherboards, the CPU, the software, windows, or even random issues like crashing, freezing, resetting, boot failure and so on . . .

I mean, there are so many problems with AMD even in 2020 that I cant believe . . .

 

 

the bios problem is because people buy older mobo's and dont know how to flash new bios , it is not amd's fault and i would even trust them more than intel...

[Mister Woof]

7 minutes ago, Zadkhiel said:

I agree, but getting in to " the waiting game " will get me nowhere ! 

 

I too have high hopes for Ryzen 4000, though from what I understand it will only have a slight boost in freq and probably better single thread performance, so I would expect just a minor improvement over the 3000 series

 

Plus, now the 2080 Super is pretty high and seen as Im stuck on 1080p ( My 55" Oled ) I dont see any point in buying a graphics card now, because my 1060 6GB handles everything at High to Ultra settings for now.

 

That is why, I thought it would be best to upgrade cpu+mb+ram now and next hear, when I have the money, I can go 4K( Wich means upgrading to a 2080 super + a new 4K OLED ) 

 

What are your thoughts? 

 

Waiting game "getting you nowhere" is only meaningful if your current hardware doesn't work.

 

If we were talking about an FX chip or even a 7600k, we would be having an entirely different conversation.

 

But we aren't.

 

Your goals are a bit lofty and scattered.... You mention wanting to upgrade your cpu for 4k and a 2080 later....

 

Well your current cpu will have very little trouble at 4k specifically.

 

Upgrading your CPU now gains you nothing at 1080p/60 with a 1060

 

Upgrading your cpu and gpu to run 4k will have almost the same effect as just upgrading your gpu, because at 4k you are going to be completely gpu limited anyway and any extra CPU horsepower is just unused.

[Zadkhiel]

4 minutes ago, scuff gang said:

the bios problem is because people buy older mobo's and dont know how to flash new bios , it is not amd's fault and i would even trust them more than intel...

Well, AMD had issues with several things, so I dont know...I am still not convinced . . .

[Letgomyleghoe]

1 minute ago, Zadkhiel said:

Well, AMD had issues with several things, so I dont know...I am still not convinced . . .

alot of it is first time consumers who dont know what theyre doing so they go to tech forums asking for help, that is what 90% of the stuff on here i assure you that amd is a reliable processor manufacture 

[Zadkhiel]

13 minutes ago, Plutosaurus said:

 

Waiting game "getting you nowhere" is only meaningful if your current hardware doesn't work.

 

If we were talking about an FX chip or even a 7600k, we would be having an entirely different conversation.

 

But we aren't.

 

Your goals are a bit lofty and scattered.... You mention wanting to upgrade your cpu for 4k and a 2080 later....

 

Well your current cpu will have very little trouble at 4k specifically.

 

Upgrading your CPU now gains you nothing at 1080p/60 with a 1060

 

Upgrading your cpu and gpu to run 4k will have almost the same effect as just upgrading your gpu, because at 4k you are going to be completely gpu limited anyway and any extra CPU horsepower is just unused.

What about the current and future games that use 8 cores? 

And u still haven't told me what would you choose? Intel or AMD? 

 

Im curios, as this was and still is my main struggle now

[Mister Woof]

1 minute ago, scuff gang said:

alot of it is first time consumers who dont know what theyre doing so they go to tech forums asking for help, that is what 90% of the stuff on here i assure you that amd is a reliable processor manufacture 

The CPUs are fine, it's the motherboards

[Mister Woof]

Just now, Zadkhiel said:

What about the current and future games that use 8 cores? 

 And u still did not tell me what would you choose? Intel or AMD? 

 

Im curios, as this was and still is my main struggle now

I just showed you the two worst scenarios for a 4/8 chip. ACOD and RDR2.

 

It's not hugely different from a 3700x.

 

Minus a couple % for being slightly lower clocked than the K variant. And that's at 1080p on a 2080ti.......at 4k with any gpu or 1080p on a 1060 difference will be less.

 

Is that difference to you worth $500+ USD?

[Letgomyleghoe]

2 minutes ago, Plutosaurus said:

The CPUs are fine, it's the motherboards

yeah i said that a couple posts up

 

15 minutes ago, scuff gang said:

the bios problem is because people buy older mobo's and dont know how to flash new bios , it is not amd's fault and i would even trust them more than intel...