What's the Deal with X570?!

[LambdaCat]

My current build is an X370 and 1600x Combo, and when i was thinking of upgrading It seemed that the compatibility between Ryzen 3000s and the x370 chipset may not be brilliant, and honestly my board at the moment doesnt really have the options for power delivery to run te higher frequency memories and such i would want to achieve if i do go for a newer processor. 

So i looked at the options for X570 and i was sorely dissapointed, let alone som e really ugly boards, the features seem to be way less spread out. My Mid range X370 had USB 3.1 and 3.2 iirc, CMOS reset buttons, direct buttons and boot code displays, Larger VRM Heatsinks and all at a good price at launch, sopmoehow this hasn't translated through to X570, to get something along the lines of my current board the only options left are the Asus hero and formula, some of the most expensive boards available.

 

Alot of boards, namely Gigabyte Boards, Feature barely any 3.1 USB ports, And instead opting for USB 2.0? I doubt its a limitation of the porccessors as there a re more expensive boards featuring 8+ USB 3.1/2 Ports!

I have looked at X470, and i know theres little PICe 4.0 can do atm, but the options arent dramatically better. It would be nice to have the future proofing however, if newwer cards and such start utiliazing PCIe4

For those who do have an X570 MoBo, what do you like most about it and what made you choose that model over others? Perhaps i'm overreacting, and don't need all the tat that the higher end boards come with.


tl;dr Finding it difficult to understand and choose a decent feature rich X570 board at a fair price, and any advice or info is appreciated.

Thanks Guys!

[Devryd]

If you want to upgrade your CPU anyway and stick with AMD, just get the CPU you want and try to use it. If you dont get a r9, you should be fine with the power delivery, because the new chips are more efficient. If you run into problems, you can always get a new motherboard, but I would just try it with the x370. You have nothing to lose

[Juular]

Because people are willing to pay 200-300$+ for the motherboard just because it's a new chipset. There's little reason to go for X570, mainly only if you want Ryzen 9 (an even then B450 Tomahawk are okay for it with a bit of airflow on VRM) and higher-speed SSDs (which are useless for anything as of now). What's your current board ?

[LambdaCat]

1 minute ago, Juular said:

Because people are willing to pay 200-300$+ for the motherboard just because it's a new chipset. There's little reason to go for X570, mainly only if you want Ryzen 9 (an even then B450 Tomahawk are okay for it with a bit of airflow on VRM) and higher-speed SSDs (which are useless for anything as of now). What's your current board ?

MSI X370 Xpower Titanium

[Juular]

4 minutes ago, LambdaCat said:

MSI X370 Xpower Titanium

Well, that board has decent VRM, enough for OC'd R7 3700X and even for Ryzen 9 with some airflow. Get a new UEFI update and you're set. That's a perk of AMD platform, you can still use your 3yo motherboard for a new CPUs, and there's Zen 3 and possibly even Zen 4 coming that will still be compatible with it.

[mariushm]

57 minutes ago, LambdaCat said:

So i looked at the options for X570 and i was sorely dissapointed, let alone som e really ugly boards, the features seem to be way less spread out. My Mid range X370 had USB 3.1 and 3.2 iirc, CMOS reset buttons, direct buttons and boot code displays, Larger VRM Heatsinks and all at a good price at launch, sopmoehow this hasn't translated through to X570, to get something along the lines of my current board the only options left are the Asus hero and formula, some of the most expensive boards available.

 

Alot of boards, namely Gigabyte Boards, Feature barely any 3.1 USB ports, And instead opting for USB 2.0? I doubt its a limitation of the porccessors as there a re more expensive boards featuring 8+ USB 3.1/2 Ports!

Don't you think you're kind of unfair?

You have a higher end motherboard, or what was higher end when it was launched.

In 2018 when it was launched, according to CamelCamel, your board was between 330$ and 390$. Even without considering the depreciation of the dollar in 2 years, what features do $400 x570 boards have?

 

Looking at Gigabyte Aorus Elite that's now $200-220 but was on sale at around $175, other than lack of usb type-c on the io shield, it's way better in all ways than your board. 

 

Your MSI x370 has 6 phase VRM using 2x PK632BA low side mosfets on each phase, while the Aorus Elite has 12 50A power stages. Your board needs a big heatsink as the mosfets aren't so efficient so the heat has to be thrown away, while the Aorus Elite can live with smaller heatsink but it's still big enough and the efficiency is high enough that it can power even the 16 core cpus just fine.

Besides this... why would you care about video outputs on a high end motherboard? If you have money for it, you have money for a dedicated video card, you wouldn't pair such boards with APUs.

 

USB 3.1 is same as USB 3.2 gen 1 (5gbps) and USB 3.2 gen2 is the 10 gbit version.

Aorus x570 Elite has usb 3.2 10g header for the front panel and has  2 10g ports and 4 5g ports on the back, but also has 4 usb 2.0 ports for stuff that doesn't need usb 3.0 speeds, like your keyboard or mouse or a webcam for example. Think of those usb ports as extras, free ports.

Besides this, you also have 2 usb 3.2 gen 1 headers on the board.

You have the same number of usb ports on your board but your board was at least $100 more expensive.

The board also has 2 pci-e 4.0 x4, while your MSI board has one m.2 pci-e 3.0 x4 , and one m.2 pci-e 2.0 x4 (max 2 GB/s)

 

Also, I get pci-e 4.0 which means the motherboard is more expensive to make because it requires more layers due to data signal integrity... and I get higher memory frequency support

 

Well sorry, maybe I don't want to pay $100+ for a cmos reset button and some digits on the board

 

[LambdaCat]

2 minutes ago, mariushm said:

Don't you think you're kind of unfair?

You have a higher end motherboard, or what was higher end when it was launched.

In 2018 when it was launched, according to CamelCamel, your board was between 330$ and 390$. Even without considering the depreciation of the dollar in 2 years, what features do $400 x570 boards have?

 

Looking at Gigabyte Aorus Elite that's now around than $175, other than lack of usb type-c on the io shield, it's way better in all ways than your board. 

Your MSI x370 has 6 phase VRM using 2x PK632BA low side mosfets on each phase, while the Aorus Elite has 12 50A power stages. Your board needs a big heatsink as the mosfets aren't so efficient so the heat has to be thrown away, while the Aorus Elite can live with smaller heatsink but it's still big enough and the efficiency is high enough that it can power even the 16 core cpus just fine.

Besides this... why would you care about video outputs on a high end motherboard? If you have money for it, you have money for a dedicated video card, you wouldn't pair such boards with APUs.

 

USB 3.1 is same as USB 3.2 gen 1 (5gbps) and USB 3.2 gen2 is the 10 gbit version.

Aorus x570 Elite has usb 3.2 10g header for the front panel and has  2 10g ports and 4 5g ports on the back, but also has 4 usb 2.0 ports for stuff that doesn't need usb 3.0 speeds, like your keyboard or mouse or a webcam for example. Think of those usb ports as extras, free ports.

Besides this, you also have 2 usb 3.2 gen 1 headers on the board.

You have the same number of usb ports on your board but your board was at least $100 more expensive.

The board also has 2 pci-e 4.0 x4, while your MSI board has one m.2 pci-e 3.0 x4 , and one m.2 pci-e 2.0 x4 (max 2 GB/s)

 

Also, I get pci-e 4.0 which means the motherboard is more expensive to make because it requires more layers due to data signal integrity... and I get higher memory frequency support

 

Well sorry, maybe I don't want to pay $100+ for a cmos reset button and some digits on the board

 

Fair enough, although I remember Getting my Board for circa £125

[LambdaCat]

5 minutes ago, mariushm said:

Don't you think you're kind of unfair?

You have a higher end motherboard, or what was higher end when it was launched.

In 2018 when it was launched, according to CamelCamel, your board was between 330$ and 390$. Even without considering the depreciation of the dollar in 2 years, what features do $400 x570 boards have?

 

Looking at Gigabyte Aorus Elite that's now $200-220 but was on sale at around $175, other than lack of usb type-c on the io shield, it's way better in all ways than your board. 

 

Your MSI x370 has 6 phase VRM using 2x PK632BA low side mosfets on each phase, while the Aorus Elite has 12 50A power stages. Your board needs a big heatsink as the mosfets aren't so efficient so the heat has to be thrown away, while the Aorus Elite can live with smaller heatsink but it's still big enough and the efficiency is high enough that it can power even the 16 core cpus just fine.

Besides this... why would you care about video outputs on a high end motherboard? If you have money for it, you have money for a dedicated video card, you wouldn't pair such boards with APUs.

 

USB 3.1 is same as USB 3.2 gen 1 (5gbps) and USB 3.2 gen2 is the 10 gbit version.

Aorus x570 Elite has usb 3.2 10g header for the front panel and has  2 10g ports and 4 5g ports on the back, but also has 4 usb 2.0 ports for stuff that doesn't need usb 3.0 speeds, like your keyboard or mouse or a webcam for example. Think of those usb ports as extras, free ports.

Besides this, you also have 2 usb 3.2 gen 1 headers on the board.

You have the same number of usb ports on your board but your board was at least $100 more expensive.

The board also has 2 pci-e 4.0 x4, while your MSI board has one m.2 pci-e 3.0 x4 , and one m.2 pci-e 2.0 x4 (max 2 GB/s)

 

Also, I get pci-e 4.0 which means the motherboard is more expensive to make because it requires more layers due to data signal integrity... and I get higher memory frequency support

 

Well sorry, maybe I don't want to pay $100+ for a cmos reset button and some digits on the board

 

Also, That's exactly my pioint, I didn't have to pay $100+ or so for those features before, how come it seems that way now? 
 

Im don;t remmeber the pricing being this dramatic with the x370 Lot.

[mariushm]

5 minutes ago, LambdaCat said:

Fair enough, although I remember Getting my Board for circa £125

The price dropped around 1 year after it launched:

 

 

The x570 Aorus is only 6 months old and already dropped from 220 to 170 :

 

 

Those features sacrifice space for other features, or produce expectations from mb manufacturer. Those are overclocker friendly features and not all motherboards have to be for overclocking (while making it possible if user wants to)

 

[LambdaCat]

3 minutes ago, mariushm said:

The price dropped around 1 year after it launched:

 

 

The x570 Aorus is only 6 months old and already dropped from 220 to 170 :

 

Perculiar, Got it aroung Aug18 iirc, mustve been lucky?

And in all fainess, of the x570s i was looking at, ith Aorus Elite/Pro were the more favourable ones, it jsut felt abit odd i was giving up a few features for what seemed to be the same price when the aim was to upgrade. 

[GeneralWaste]

I don't understand what you mean about lack of usb3. I have the asus x570-p prime and it's not exactly a high end board and it has 4x usb3.2 gen1 and 2 x usb3.2 gen2 rear IO and I want to say 3x usb3.2 gen1 for front panel. Like you said, maybe it's just a gigabyte thing. I got my board because it was validated to work with the cheap g.skill 3600MHz 16GB dimms, and I think the cheapest asus board was out of stock and the price difference wasn't enough to justify waiting.

 

One thing I will say is that my gpu -a triple fan gigabyte 2060 super-  does completely block the pch fan (and RGB for that matter), but it doesn't seem to make a difference for thermals.

[caldrin]

So the only thing you are really missing out on is pci 4.0 and in general better VRM setup.. 
Also price hike is mainly because of the above as well.. new tech costs more i guess.

 

[mariushm]

12 minutes ago, caldrin said:

So the only thing you are really missing out on is pci 4.0 and in general better VRM setup.. 
Also price hike is mainly because of the above as well.. new tech costs more i guess.

and usb type-c header for the case.

and 2nd M.2 connector with full pci-e 4.0 x4 lanes (previous chipsets had pci-e 2.0 lanes, meaning max 2 GB/s for 2nd m.2 connector)

and better memory support (at least 4000 Mhz on most boards, compared to maybe 3600 Mhz for x370 based boards)

and better audio codecs in general (his x370 is exception, but most b450 and x470 don't use alc1200 or alc1220 or similarly high(er) end sound chips)

and depending on board you may get 2.5g ethernet and/or wifi .ac / ax