Help with blue screen after ram OC

[Bluuz]

3700x with MSI b450 carbon.

16gb of g skill rgb: 3600, cl 18. 

 

So i've followed ram overclocking guides:

exported my settings from thaiphoon, plugged them into ryzen mem calculator.

Picked safe preset and put in the settings from the 'main' and 'advanced' tab in my bios.

 

Ran memtest64 and got a blue screen. Very disappointed that even the safe preset doesn't work. What do I do now? Which of the 40+ settings can I dial back to try to achieve a stable configuration? How do I even diagnose/troubleshoot this?

 

For reference, the crash dump from blue screen view, can I conclude the crash was caused by ram OC (cpu at stock)?

 

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Dump File         : 120319-6546-01.dmp
Crash Time        : 12/3/2019 12:18:11 AM
Bug Check String  : IRQL_NOT_LESS_OR_EQUAL
Bug Check Code    : 0x0000000a
Parameter 1       : ffff8784`ad7e1810
Parameter 2       : 00000000`00000002
Parameter 3       : 00000000`00000000
Parameter 4       : fffff802`0a8440c6
Caused By Driver  : ntoskrnl.exe
Caused By Address : ntoskrnl.exe+1c14e0
File Description  : NT Kernel & System
Product Name      : Microsoft® Windows® Operating System
Company           : Microsoft Corporation
File Version      : 10.0.18362.476 (WinBuild.160101.0800)
Processor         : x64
Crash Address     : ntoskrnl.exe+1c14e0
Stack Address 1   : 
Stack Address 2   : 
Stack Address 3   : 
Computer Name     : 
Full Path         : C:\WINDOWS\Minidump\120319-6546-01.dmp
Processors Count  : 16
Major Version     : 15
Minor Version     : 18362
Dump File Size    : 1,131,492
Dump File Time    : 12/3/2019 12:19:24 AM
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[Valkyrie Lenneth]

if u dont know how ram ocing works, dont even bother , because mhz gets negated by cas latency and vice versa

 

the only thing ur creating if u overclock ram without knowing what ur doing is system instability and a high potential of blowing up files / causing corruption on files and corrupting windows itself to the poitn where it wont boot anymore

 

theres also no such thing as dram calculator that actually works, because the timings a stick achieve is mostly on the sticks itself rather then cpu,  ofcourse its limited by the mem controller also  but each system achieve different timings

 

and even after all that, u need to run stress tests for ram  for atleast 3passes in memtest ( preferable all night ) and a minimum of 24hours in prime95   due to it able to crash after 15hours+

also there can be slight unstabilities even when u do pass stress tests and still cause file corruption ( mostly secondary timings unstable )

 

[ddennis002]

22 minutes ago, Bluuz said:

3700x with MSI b450 carbon.

16gb of g skill rgb: 3600, cl 18. 

 

So i've followed ram overclocking guides:

exported my settings from thaiphoon, plugged them into ryzen mem calculator.

Picked safe preset and put in the settings from the 'main' and 'advanced' tab in my bios.

 

Ran memtest64 and got a blue screen. Very disappointed that even the safe preset doesn't work. What do I do now? Which of the 40+ settings can I dial back to try to achieve a stable configuration? How do I even diagnose/troubleshoot this?

 

For reference, the crash dump from blue screen view, can I conclude the crash was caused by ram OC (cpu at stock)?

 

==================================================
Dump File         : 120319-6546-01.dmp
Crash Time        : 12/3/2019 12:18:11 AM
Bug Check String  : IRQL_NOT_LESS_OR_EQUAL
Bug Check Code    : 0x0000000a
Parameter 1       : ffff8784`ad7e1810
Parameter 2       : 00000000`00000002
Parameter 3       : 00000000`00000000
Parameter 4       : fffff802`0a8440c6
Caused By Driver  : ntoskrnl.exe
Caused By Address : ntoskrnl.exe+1c14e0
File Description  : NT Kernel & System
Product Name      : Microsoft® Windows® Operating System
Company           : Microsoft Corporation
File Version      : 10.0.18362.476 (WinBuild.160101.0800)
Processor         : x64
Crash Address     : ntoskrnl.exe+1c14e0
Stack Address 1   : 
Stack Address 2   : 
Stack Address 3   : 
Computer Name     : 
Full Path         : C:\WINDOWS\Minidump\120319-6546-01.dmp
Processors Count  : 16
Major Version     : 15
Minor Version     : 18362
Dump File Size    : 1,131,492
Dump File Time    : 12/3/2019 12:19:24 AM
==================================================

 

 

 

 

There's no need to create multiple posts for the same exact thing. As I stated before have you verified Hynix on Chip ect?

The calculator works to some degree but not all the time. As an experienced Memory  OC'r I can help but you have to give back a little bit.

 

As @Valkyrie Lenneth stated memory OCing isn't easy any you need to know what your doing. Again more than willing to help.

 

I would ditch the calculator your not running B or E die chips based on the timings of your kit your not going to go from 22 tCL to 16 unless you drop frequency. Again need to know what you want to achieve no point of wasting time on something that isn't possible expectations have to be set.

 

But again more than willing to help get you where you want to be.

[Noah0302]

Dont have much experience with Ryzen OCing, but with my 8700k an unstable Mem OC was "fixed" by upping the memory controller voltage.

 

But that probably wont work for you, since every RAM kit and CPU memory controller is different. Some kits wont ever reach those settings you try to archieve, just because you recieved a bad overclocker.

 

Try to increase the kits base XMP frequency little by little and see what is stable.

[boggy77]

45 minutes ago, Bluuz said:

Which of the 40+ settings can I dial back to try to achieve a stable configuration?

try dram voltage 1.4 v. that should do it.

[Bluuz]

20 hours ago, ddennis002 said:

 

There's no need to create multiple posts for the same exact thing. As I stated before have you verified Hynix on Chip ect?

The calculator works to some degree but not all the time. As an experienced Memory  OC'r I can help but you have to give back a little bit.

 

As @Valkyrie Lenneth stated memory OCing isn't easy any you need to know what your doing. Again more than willing to help.

 

I would ditch the calculator your not running B or E die chips based on the timings of your kit your not going to go from 22 tCL to 16 unless you drop frequency. Again need to know what you want to achieve no point of wasting time on something that isn't possible expectations have to be set.

 

But again more than willing to help get you where you want to be.

Yes, verified on Thaiphoon.

 

Manufacturer             : Hynix
Part Number              : H5AN8G8NCJR-TFC

 

The kit is Cl18: https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/product/6jBTwP/gskill-trident-z-rgb-16gb-2-x-8gb-ddr4-3600-memory-f4-3600c18d-16gtzrx

3600mhz, 18-22-22-42

 

Reason I settled for this kit is that b-die chips are nearly 3x as expensive. 

[ddennis002]

13 minutes ago, Bluuz said:

Yes, verified on Thaiphoon.

 

Manufacturer             : Hynix
Part Number              : H5AN8G8NCJR-TFC

 

The kit is Cl18: https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/product/6jBTwP/gskill-trident-z-rgb-16gb-2-x-8gb-ddr4-3600-memory-f4-3600c18d-16gtzrx

3600mhz, 18-22-22-42

 

Reason I settled for this kit is that b-die chips are nearly 3x as expensive. 

So are you looking to stick with the 3600Mhz frequency and setting tighter timings? Or just OCing the frequency?

[Bluuz]

2 minutes ago, ddennis002 said:

So are you looking to stick with the 3600Mhz frequency and setting tighter timings? Or just OCing the frequency?

Mostly looking to tighten timings, but I don't mind trying to push up the frequency too. 

[ddennis002]

7 minutes ago, Bluuz said:

Mostly looking to tighten timings, but I don't mind trying to push up the frequency too. 

Okay personally since the timings on this kit are not the greatest and your already at 3600Mhz I think focusing on tighting the timings would give better gains then increasing frequency. 

As I have stated before 3600Mhz ram speed gives you 1:1 infinity fabric which is best for performance, On Avg most CPU Fclk can only get up to about 1866 which would give you 3766Mhz memory and at that speed might require timings to be increased even further.

 

So I would start with this and see if you can boot

Frequency 3600Mhz  --  DRAM Voltage 1.38v  --  VTTDDR Voltage 0.70v  --  SOC Voltage 1.1v 

tCL 16

tRCDWR 16

tRCDRD 20

tRP 20

tRAS 37

tRC 57

 

Disable GearDown Mode

 

Set 1T Command Rate.

 

Leave all other settings on Auto and lets see what happens to start here.

 

[Bluuz]

1 hour ago, ddennis002 said:

Okay personally since the timings on this kit are not the greatest and your already at 3600Mhz I think focusing on tighting the timings would give better gains then increasing frequency. 

As I have stated before 3600Mhz ram speed gives you 1:1 infinity fabric which is best for performance, On Avg most CPU Fclk can only get up to about 1866 which would give you 3766Mhz memory and at that speed might require timings to be increased even further.

 

So I would start with this and see if you can boot

Frequency 3600Mhz  --  DRAM Voltage 1.38v  --  VTTDDR Voltage 0.70v  --  SOC Voltage 1.1v 

tCL 16

tRCDWR 16

tRCDRD 20

tRP 20

tRAS 37

tRC 57

 

Disable GearDown Mode

 

Set 1T Command Rate.

 

Leave all other settings on Auto and lets see what happens to start here.

 

I'll give this a try, however, these seem similar to the numbers I plugged in above (see dram calculator screenshot):

3600Mhz at 1.35v dram, 0.673 VTTDDR, 1.1v SOC

tCL 16

tRCDWR 18

tRCDRD 20

tRP 20

tRAS 36

rRC 56

...

 

which resulted in successful boot. blue screen during memtest64. 

[ddennis002]

22 hours ago, Bluuz said:

I'll give this a try, however, these seem similar to the numbers I plugged in above (see dram calculator screenshot):

3600Mhz at 1.35v dram, 0.673 VTTDDR, 1.1v SOC

tCL 16

tRCDWR 18

tRCDRD 20

tRP 20

tRAS 36

rRC 56

...

 

which resulted in successful boot. blue screen during memtest64. 

Okay bump voltage up to 1.4v don't worry ddr4 can handle up to 1.5v as long are you have some fan cooling going over them.

Try this

tCL 16

tRCDWR 20

tRCDRD 20

tRP 20

tRAS 38

rRC 58

 

But give that first set a try first if that doesn't hold try this also you can bump that first set DRAM voltage to 1.375

[LIGHT SABER]

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