New €1400 (~1500 USD) build

[Zero0]

Hi guys

 

I have some experience in building a PC but I haven't followed the tech lately so I don't know what's good/worth buying so looking for some help in putting together a new build.

 

1. Budget & Location

1400 EUR (Italy) or roughly 1500 USD.

I already own peripherals, monitor and a copy of windows so they're not needed. I do need an optical drive though.

 

2. Aim

Work mainly and a bit of gaming.

I mainly use my PC for work (programming) and some tools are very resource heavy (in terms of memory and processing); plus I always have a lot of applications open at a time.

As for gaming I don't play a lot and the games I do play (e.g. league of legends) are not very resource demanding. With that being said, I would still like to keep this option open so a mid-high tier GPU is better.

 

3. Monitors

I own a 23'' 60Hz monitor which is begging to be upgraded but it works and gets the job done so I'm not looking to upgrade it yet.

Supports VGA, HDMI, DP and DVI.

 

4. Peripherals

I do already have a keyboard and a mouse but I wouldn't mind getting an RGB mechanical keyboard. Just a preference though, main priority is the rig.

 

5. Why are you upgrading?

My motherboard (LGA1155) died a few days ago and since it was a 2012 build, I'm looking to put together a new build.

 

This build is going to have to last me nearly a decade so I would like for it to have more rather than less, if that makes sense.

 

Preferences

Preferably 32GB 3200+ MHz RAM.

 

As for brands, I'm a fan of Intel and Nvidia so that would be a huge plus.

 

I also would like if the case had RGB options (as for the RAM).

 

If you guys think something else is better/more suited, I'm open to suggestions.

 

What I've put together so far is this:

PCPartPicker Part List

Type	Item	Price
CPU	Intel Core i7-9700K 3.6 GHz 8-Core Processor	$339.00
Memory	Corsair Vengeance RGB Pro 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR4-3200 Memory	€192.01 @ Amazon Italia
Storage	Samsung 970 Pro 1 TB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive	€296.00 @ Amazon Italia
Storage	Western Digital Caviar Blue 1 TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive	€39.93 @ Amazon Italia
	Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
	Total	€527.94
	Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-11-24 17:16 CET+0100

 

What's missing is what I can't decide on.

 

Thank you.

[Bombastinator]

Ten years is a long time.  Predictions about the future are required.

why I’m not overfond of the 9700k choice:

There’s a big move toward multi threading purely because of the prevalence of thread programming in games. It annoys UNIX people no end, but a slower lower actual capacity CPU with multithreading and lots of threads seems to beat faster CPUs when the number of threads is higher than the number available they have to run them on.  Overhead builds up very fast.  It’s stupid, but it smells like what is happening. 8 fast threads is still enough for things now but it might not be the case in the future.  Yes the 9700k beats all comers now, and if thread counts stay low enough it will continue to do so.  I’m just not sure they will.  I guess it comes down to how many badly and hurriedly written sloppily threaded pieces of software you are going to run is. For pure gamers it’s more or less all of it.

[Bombastinator]

.. to continue because I like the sound of my own voice:

IMHO consoles control how games are programmed because they’re written to run on them.  Soon the ps5/Scarlett will be announced.  Little is known about them, but the CPU is.  It was announced it would be more or lesss a multithreaded version of jaguar.  Slow, 2.1 ghz 8/16. In the previous jaguar 2 cores were locked out for use by the OS, so it was effectively a 6/6 device.  How many threads are being made available is not public knowledge. I am personally guessing (and it’s possible your knowledge is better than mine) that The new one will likely have somewhere between 12-14 threads (really slow threads) available for games programmers.  What do you think they will do with them?  If they turn the multithreading off (if they even can) and write a multitask game, the stuff they write won’t need more than 8 cores, and they will want to be fast.  The question is will they?  Or will they go stupid, and write for a ton of threads and then spend ridiculous amounts of time resolving thread crashes?  I am not hopeful.

[Zero0]

I agree with your premise and I share the reluctance in picking the 9700k, especially in the long term. My original choice was 9900k (given it has double the amount of threads and is faster still) but I'm not sure if the upgrade is worth the money.

As for multithreading, it is my knowledge that for many years now software has been predicted to go multithreaded (games especially) but many still fail to do so in a successful way (it's sloppy, as you said), which brings them back to the individual power of faster cores.

 

What would you rather suggest (other than the 9900k)? 

[Bombastinator]

4 minutes ago, Zero0 said:

I agree with your premise and I share the reluctance in picking the 9700k, especially in the long term. My original choice was 9900k but I'm not sure if the upgrade is worth the money.

As for multithreading, it is my knowledge that for many years now software has been predicted to go multithreaded (games especially) but many still fail to do so in a successful way (it's sloppy, as you said), which brings them back to the individual power of faster cores.

 

What would you rather suggest (other than the 9900k)? 

Wel you want intel, consumer, and currently released, so that makes it tricky.  If you bag intel and go AMD there are lots of options.  It’s already gone multithread for games.  Fast 4/4 CPUs are already going down.