memory Ram Upgrading and mixing question

[Michaelsws]

Q: Can i mix my old ram with new ones in 4 slots even if my mobo and cpu says memory channels 2?

My knowledge on this is pretty low and i am wondering if i could get some help.

 

I am currently running this old budget setup

 

i5 6500 ( https://ark.intel.com/content/www/us/en/ark/products/88184/intel-core-i5-6500-processor-6m-cache-up-to-3-60-ghz.html)

Msi Armor x2 Gtx 950 oc

Msi b150m bazooka ( https://www.msi.com/Motherboard/B150M-BAZOOKA/Specification)

HyperX Fury ddr4 4gb*2 2133

 

I plan to upgrade my ram first as most of the things i do seem to make me run out of ram.

I am upgrading to  G.Skill Trident Z Neo RGB 3600Mhz 8GB x2 as a shop in my country is having a sale.

 

Yes my setup wont support higher speeds but i plan to buy better hardware once i get more money.

 

My mobo and cpu both says 2 channel

If i do mix the 2 different ram kits together in 4 slots, will it just be 24Gb 2133 or will there be more complications with channels?
 

More detailed questions:

Does the max channels matter and if so how?

I understand the ram speed with take the lowest, but will it also take the lowest capacity?

Would it be better of just using the 8gb*2 kit rather than both?

 

 

tldr: Can/Should i mix and match a 8gb*2 and a 4gb*2 with different speeds on a setup that only has max 2 channels?

 

EDIT: i hv also heard that the G.Skill Trident Z Neo RGB 3600Mhz 8GB x2 wont work on my Intel cpu setup. 

Is this true ?

Would it be better to get the non NEO version and spend a bit more for it? 

or will it have no effect and its just stated better for AMD cpus

 

it is also a 4 slot mobo

[Jurrunio]

yes, 2 sticks can share 1 channel at a time

[Otto_iii]

If you are getting 16gb of trident neo i don't know why you would want to bottleneck it on down to your older ram's specs, basically nothing but a few professional rendering/photo editing etc type programs can exceed 8gb, small handful of AAA games, let alone 16gb.  I suppose there are a few use cases but it would be very rare/niche, why do you want 24gb?  Id just sell the 2133 sticks

[ddennis002]

21 minutes ago, Otto_iii said:

If you are getting 16gb of trident neo i don't know why you would want to bottleneck it on down to your older ram's specs, basically nothing but a few professional rendering/photo editing etc type programs can exceed 8gb, small handful of AAA games, let alone 16gb.  I suppose there are a few use cases but it would be very rare/niche, why do you want 24gb?  Id just sell the 2133 sticks

Shoot when I boot my pc and login to windows im already at 7gb used and another 5 in standby. 16gb is almost the standard now if you want some decent wiggle room.

[Michaelsws]

25 minutes ago, Otto_iii said:

If you are getting 16gb of trident neo i don't know why you would want to bottleneck it on down to your older ram's specs, basically nothing but a few professional rendering/photo editing etc type programs can exceed 8gb, small handful of AAA games, let alone 16gb.  I suppose there are a few use cases but it would be very rare/niche, why do you want 24gb?  Id just sell the 2133 sticks

Lets just say its end of the year me and my friends want to play some games ahem minecraft.

Give it the server takes 4gb and my game takes 4gb and i have music and some chrome tabs in the background.

So yes you are right on not all programs exceed 8gb.

as said in the post

1 hour ago, Michaelsws said:

most of the things i do seem to make me run out of ram.

I do agree with you its just i somehow seem to run out of ram despite not playing many AAA games.

And about the 24gb.

I would rather have more ram if there is only a small speed reduction.

If the drop is major than i will not use 24gb.

The main question is CAN i and if so SHOULD i (based on performance drops etc)

[Otto_iii]

just posted about this in another thread, but if you do it put one of each in matching number (so say tridents in A2 and B2 etc) like this


realistically id still say 16gb is enough, you should figure out how or what is using all that ram because its very unusual unless you are rendering animations or something, if you are just using chrome, gaming etc using more then about 6-9gb is really very rare.  Unless you are talking about "free ram" in resource manager, its normal for that to fill up in Windows 10, there are a few super-light programs like this you can configure (schedule a task) to clear it but i don't think that is what you are talking about
 

Spoiler

this was much more relevant on ddr3 ram, older games, or really low spec computers playing newer games, but can still be useful, aka same effect as restarting computer, especially with certain oddly optimized games like BFV running on DX12, pubg etc, but usually this has little to no effect.  I only mention it because i wonder if you were looking at "Free" vs "Standby" memory instead of just standard "In Use", as if you had opened the resource monitor rather then just looking at task manager

First video is low production quality but best quick, straight forward instruction on how to do this.  second video is benchmark.

 

 

[Michaelsws]

3 hours ago, Otto_iii said:

just posted about this in another thread, but if you do it put one of each in matching number (so say tridents in A2 and B2 etc) like this


realistically id still say 16gb is enough, you should figure out how or what is using all that ram because its very unusual unless you are rendering animations or something, if you are just using chrome, gaming etc using more then about 6-9gb is really very rare.  Unless you are talking about "free ram" in resource manager, its normal for that to fill up in Windows 10, there are a few super-light programs like this you can configure (schedule a task) to clear it but i don't think that is what you are talking about
 

 

I see what you are getting at here.

i havent gotten the 16gb yet so thats why im saing that my 8gb is not enough.

The 8gb is not enough because im running a minecraft server when i play it and also when im playing other esports title/lighter games. 

Minecraft servers do take up some ram

[Otto_iii]

That makes more sense then , i would feel free to install them both, but if you check resource monitor and infact you never exceed say 10-13gb maybe then feel free to take out the slower ram modules at your discretion

i thought it was 4 gigs to host and and recommended 4gb to play minecraft, so 8 total, windows OS usually about 1.5-2.2gb depending how you have it configured, throw steam and discord in there for another 1gb, chrome with lots of tabs for another theoretical 2gb (like lots of tabs), that should be about 13gb usage, so just saying you might want to take the speedier ram for a test drive, unchained, if it looks like you aren't using bearly over half that 24gb

[Michaelsws]

13 minutes ago, Otto_iii said:

That makes more sense then , i would feel free to install them both, but if you check resource monitor and infact you never exceed say 10-13gb maybe then feel free to take out the slower ram modules at your discretion

i thought it was 4 gigs to host and and recommended 4gb to play minecraft, so 8 total, windows OS usually about 1.5-2.2gb depending how you have it configured, throw steam and discord in there for another 1gb, chrome with lots of tabs for another theoretical 2gb (like lots of tabs), that should be about 13gb usage, so just saying you might want to take the speedier ram for a test drive, unchained, if it looks like you aren't using all bearly over half that 24gb

Keep in mind my cpu and mobo are bad (soon to upgrade) and can only support up to 2133 dual channel.

So im thinking if im going to slow my new ram anyways might as well have more. (until i upgrade my cpu n mobo)

But will there be a "Dual channel" problem if i put all 4 sticks in?

And if so

What is the problem and is the solution easy?

And if not 

I will stick 4 of them in there and have some extra ram for pretty much nothing but eh more ram (ONLY IF THERE IS NO PROBLEMS)

 

Note; i understand what you mean. I probably will be able to notice faster ram IF only i had a setup that supports it NOW

[Otto_iii]

Oh ****, well heck ya who cares then

[Michaelsws]

IDK which to tag as the ans since its a collective ans form multiple comments so i will put them here if anyone happens to stumble across this post and needs an answer

 

4 hours ago, Otto_iii said:

just posted about this in another thread, but if you do it put one of each in matching number (so say tridents in A2 and B2 etc) like this


realistically id still say 16gb is enough, you should figure out how or what is using all that ram because its very unusual unless you are rendering animations or something, if you are just using chrome, gaming etc using more then about 6-9gb is really very rare.  Unless you are talking about "free ram" in resource manager, its normal for that to fill up in Windows 10, there are a few super-light programs like this you can configure (schedule a task) to clear it but i don't think that is what you are talking about
 

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this was much more relevant on ddr3 ram, older games, or really low spec computers playing newer games, but can still be useful, aka same effect as restarting computer, especially with certain oddly optimized games like BFV running on DX12, pubg etc, but usually this has little to no effect.  I only mention it because i wonder if you were looking at "Free" vs "Standby" memory instead of just standard "In Use", as if you had opened the resource monitor rather then just looking at task manager

First video is low production quality but best quick, straight forward instruction on how to do this.  second video is benchmark.

 

 

 

26 minutes ago, Otto_iii said:

That makes more sense then , i would feel free to install them both, but if you check resource monitor and infact you never exceed say 10-13gb maybe then feel free to take out the slower ram modules at your discretion

i thought it was 4 gigs to host and and recommended 4gb to play minecraft, so 8 total, windows OS usually about 1.5-2.2gb depending how you have it configured, throw steam and discord in there for another 1gb, chrome with lots of tabs for another theoretical 2gb (like lots of tabs), that should be about 13gb usage, so just saying you might want to take the speedier ram for a test drive, unchained, if it looks like you aren't using bearly over half that 24gb