Is waiting for zen2 Ryzen mobile worth it?

[Svs213]

I’m looking to upgrade from my old laptop, i was initially planning to upgrade to an intel 10th gen laptop but i heard that it’s not a significant improvement over 8th gen intel laptops ( can someone confirm this). AMD made huge improvements to their desktop processor this year but i heard that intel still reigns for mobile processors.
Is this going to change with zen2?

[Epimetheus]

Intel, as of now, doesn't reign much in the laptop section. Their comet lake cpus are faster, but their integrated graphics are real trash, while ice lake cpus are pretty much on par with ryzen cpus while having slightly worse graphics. So i guess what fits you best, but there's not a real gap. I'd take a Ryzen mobile laptop any day of the week just for the integrated graphics that would let me play games btw, but if you want to get a pc with dedicated graphics then it doesn't really matter

[Firewrath9]

5 minutes ago, Epimetheus said:

Intel, as of now, doesn't reign much in the laptop section. Their comet lake cpus are faster, but their integrated graphics are real trash, while ice lake cpus are pretty much on par with ryzen cpus while having slightly worse graphics. So i guess what fits you best, but there's not a real gap. I'd take a Ryzen mobile laptop any day of the week just for the integrated graphics that would let me play games btw, but if you want to get a pc with dedicated graphics then it doesn't really matter

Ryzen integrated graphics are still pretty trash. Zen 1/1+ efficiency is still worse. I'd rather have a lighter/thinner/more battery laptop than a laptop that gets 5 more fps on 720p low games.

 

OP: for a notetaking/school device, I'd get a XPS 13, a surface pro, X1 Carbon or a mbp 13", for "gaming" get a laptop with a dGPU such as a prestige 14/15, or an XPS 15, or a X1 extreme

[GoldenLag]

16 minutes ago, Svs213 said:

Is this going to change with zen2?

maybe, but that will be determined next year

[Silentprototipe]

As someone who owns a 1st gen Ryzen mobile laptop since day one and experience with 2nd gen Ryzen Mobile I would say wait. Ryzen mobile in its current form while very strong still lacks in the clockspeed department (Im talking 2 Ghz flat under CPU & GPU load). Zen 2 should be able to hopefully alleviate the anemic clock speeds. What makes it special currently is the IGPU performance and that seemingly won't change much (Still looking at Vega for Zen 2 Mobile but with more CU's)

[Silentprototipe]

28 minutes ago, Firewrath9 said:

Ryzen integrated graphics are still pretty trash. Zen 1/1+ efficiency is still worse. I'd rather have a lighter/thinner/more battery laptop than a laptop that gets 5 more fps on 720p low games.

 

Yeah I would like to disagree on you with the IGPU, It is far nicer than 5 more FPS. You can consistently pull off either higher FPS or a higher res than anything Intel has at the moment. However efficiency is the bane of Ryzen Mobile's existence as of now 

[Epimetheus]

36 minutes ago, Firewrath9 said:

Ryzen integrated graphics are still pretty trash. Zen 1/1+ efficiency is still worse. I'd rather have a lighter/thinner/more battery laptop than a laptop that gets 5 more fps on 720p low games.

 

OP: for a notetaking/school device, I'd get a XPS 13, a surface pro, X1 Carbon or a mbp 13", for "gaming" get a laptop with a dGPU such as a prestige 14/15, or an XPS 15, or a X1 extreme

a 2500u for example has got the same graphics as the 2200g, and no intel chip is able to play a modern game at all, not even on unplayable terms. Just not at all. 

Also Intel chips are really not that more power efficient. It really depends on what the op is going to do with it. If he's planning on using it for something that leverages cpu horsepower definitely comet lake is the best choice, but if it's for general usage for a price that doesn't allow a dGPU i'd definitely go for something Ryzen

[Firewrath9]

2 minutes ago, Epimetheus said:

a 2500u for example has got the same graphics as the 2200g, and no intel chip is able to play a modern game at all, not even on unplayable terms. Just not at all. 

Also Intel chips are really not that more power efficient. It really depends on what the op is going to do with it. If he's planning on using it for something that leverages cpu horsepower definitely comet lake is the best choice, but if it's for general usage for a price that doesn't allow a dGPU i'd definitely go for something Ryzen

The AMD version is worse in basically every way.

 

As for gaming, 

 

It's litterally worse than a UHD 620. The Intel iris plus is esentially a UHD 620, multiplied by 2, with L4$, so it'd perform around 2x as good as a UHD 620.

 

The APUs on laptops are still not good enough to be gameable, due to TDP restrictions, clock throttling, slow dram.

the 2400G barely runs games as it is, with its 65W TDP.

 

"But thats over 100fps"
These are esports games. 100fps on mid-high settings in csgo is pretty low. its a 5 year old game, designed for slow PCs.   CSGO runs best at 200-400fps, regardless of screen referesh rate. DOTA 2 is litterally sub-60 fps with not even maxed settings.

 

[Epimetheus]

1 minute ago, Firewrath9 said:

The AMD version is worse in basically every way.

 

As for gaming, 

 

It's litterally worse than a UHD 620. The Intel iris plus is esentially a UHD 620, multiplied by 2, with L4$, so it'd perform around 2x as good as a UHD 620.

 

The APUs on laptops are still not good enough to be gameable, due to TDP restrictions, clock throttling, slow dram.

the 2400G barely runs games as it is, with its 65W TDP.

 

"But thats over 100fps"
These are esports games. 100fps on mid-high settings in csgo is pretty low. its a 5 year old game, designed for slow PCs.   CSGO runs best at 200-400fps, regardless of screen referesh rate. DOTA 2 is litterally sub-60 fps with not even maxed settings.

 

What the hell? I've never seen such low results, are you sure that isn't a specific case?

[Epimetheus]

@Firewrath9

 check this though

[Firewrath9]

5 hours ago, Epimetheus said:

@Firewrath9

 check this though

Does worse than some 5W cpus in some tests

Also, the only games he tests are AAA games (or past AAA games), and synthetics. What about esports games like rocket league, dota, LOL, csgo, games that can get usable fram rates. I don't care about 20 fps vs 10 fps on a AAA game, I care about esports games on laptops like these.

The majority of the CPU benchmarks the i7 coffee lake/kaby lake refersh CPUs beat it soundly. The only other CPUs are kaby lake dual cores, like the i7-7500U.

[Firewrath9]

5 hours ago, Epimetheus said:

What the hell? I've never seen such low results, are you sure that isn't a specific case?

idk, I trust gamer's nexus, and they used dual channel DDR4 3200mhz/2933mhz so its not really a dram issue

[genexis_x]

19 hours ago, Epimetheus said:

Their comet lake cpus are faster

Not much faster. Also depends on power limit configurations

18 hours ago, Firewrath9 said:

I'd get a XPS 13, a surface pro, X1 Carbon or a mbp 13", for "gaming" get a laptop with a dGPU such as a prestige 14/15, or an XPS 15, or a X1 extreme

Not liking some of these models, but this is your opinion anyway

18 hours ago, Firewrath9 said:

The AMD version is worse in basically every way

Depends on the model. Surface laptop isn't a good example

12 hours ago, Firewrath9 said:

Does worse than some 5W cpus in some tests

Like I mentioned, the performance mainly depends on the power limit config. The old Envy x360 13 is pretty terrible in terms on performance - no dual channel, ridiculously low power limits, stupid firmware etc. The new one with 3500u/3700u is much better, but still there are better Ryzen models out there