The M-ATX/M-ITX Ryzen 7 3700X "BUDGET" build! - Mobo and RAM ultra shortlist

[Yardankerty]

Hello gang,

I am going to build a "budget" 3D productivity PC around a  3700X.

I have an older Micro ATX case (that also supports Mini ITX) ready to go.

I also have an ASUS GeForce GTX 1660 Ti card ready to drop in.

My question is as follows - do I lose any RAM performance going for the MSI B450M Mortar Max over the Gigabyte X570 I Aorus Pro WiFi ?

I would be dropping in 16GB of either:

G.Skill Trident Z Neo F4-3600C16D-16GTZNC 16GB

G.Skill Trident Z RGB F4-3200C14D-16GTZR 16GB

 

clearly the MSI board is the winner in terms of price -

I am also confident about the MSI mobos VRM -

but this is a 3D productivity PC that will be rendering Arnold for hours on end - will the B450 mobo handle the RAM as well as an X570?

 

thoughts much appreciated!

 

Yardy.

 

[Firewrath9]

The gigabyte card has a better VRM,

The gigabyte card would do better at ddr4 overclocking.

Honestly, mATX is dead, I'd go with ITX or ATX.

 

[Xiee]

26 minutes ago, Yardankerty said:

My question is as follows - do I lose any RAM performance going for the MSI B450M Mortar Max over the Gigabyte X570 I Aorus Pro WiFi ?

I don't think there's much of a difference since especially since you can overclock RAM as well. 

The X570 board will probably perform better though.

[Yardankerty]

thanks - thanks...

If I just want to run the whole PC stock?

I am not an avid overclocker and this will not be my main rig but instead part of a farm for most of it's life.

in my country the price difference to go up from the MSI to the Gigabyte is $218...

 

[Jurrunio]

34 minutes ago, Yardankerty said:

but this is a 3D productivity PC that will be rendering Arnold for hours on end - will the B450 mobo handle the RAM as well as an X570?

Yes because they are both 2 DIMM kits, and 3600MHz CL16 is better performing than 3200 CL14 due to higher matching FCLK.

 

(though if I were to cut cost, I'd cut RGB LEDs first)

[Yardankerty]

1 hour ago, Jurrunio said:

Yes because they are both 2 DIMM kits, and 3600MHz CL16 is better performing than 3200 CL14 due to higher matching FCLK.

 

(though if I were to cut cost, I'd cut RGB LEDs first)

a good point, thank-you Jurrunio - I guess the kit below has the exact same performance as the NEO's mentioned above?

G.Skill Ripjaws V F4-3600C16D-16GVKC (2x8GB) DDR4

[Mark Kaine]

A 219$ board with *one* sys fan? 

 

Well I know which I wouldn't get! 

[Yardankerty]

hey wow - that's a good point mate!

Gigabyte X570 I Aorus Pro WiFi = 1 x system fan header

MSI B450M Mortar Max =  3 x 4-pin system fan connectors

(also the Gigabyte mobo is $377 in my country, the MSI is $159)

 

[Jurrunio]

27 minutes ago, Mark Kaine said:

A 219$ board with *one* sys fan? 

 

Well I know which I wouldn't get! 

fan splitters are cheap... I dont think there are ITX boards with more fan headers either

[Mark Kaine]

Just now, Jurrunio said:

fan splitters are cheap... I dont think there are ITX boards with more fan headers either

Umm,  there are. 1 header is really low. 

 

Fatality b450 ITX has 3 for example. 

 

 

And splitters are cheap but you maybe can't use many fans on it due to voltage limit or other board shenanigans. 

[Jurrunio]

6 minutes ago, Mark Kaine said:

Umm,  there are. 1 header is really low. 

2 headers, there's also one for the CPU fan.

 

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And splitters are cheap but you maybe can't use many fans on it due to voltage limit or other board shenanigans. 

max 1A per header from the board, enough for usually 3 if not more fans

[Mark Kaine]

5 minutes ago, Jurrunio said:

2 headers, there's also one for the CPU fan.

Or you could just admit that you were wrong lol.

 

Seriously do you think your helping right now? 

A "$377" board with 1 sys fan header which will most likely be a huge pain when there are multiple alternatives?  Dude.  

[Jurrunio]

31 minutes ago, Mark Kaine said:

Or you could just admit that you were wrong lol.

I wont because I'm correct, Gigabyte  X570 ITX board has 1 CPU fan header and 1 system fan header, Asrock B450 ITX board ahs 1 CPU fan header and 2 system fan header.

 

31 minutes ago, Mark Kaine said:

A "$377" board with 1 sys fan header which will most likely be a huge pain when there are multiple alternatives?  Dude.  

How many fans do you use in an ITX case anyway? 3 case fans + 1 CPU cooler fan? 2 headers is enough, fans that pull 0.33A are already plenty loud at max speed, let alone 0.5A ones. I have a Cooler Master Jetflo 120 rated for 0.4A, it's so loud that if there's a 0.5A version it could rival the noise of a hair dryer at full speed

 

Also the reason to go X570 with ITX here is presumably for out of the box compatiblity with 3rd gen. None of the older ITX boards support BIOS flashback

 

31 minutes ago, Mark Kaine said:

Seriously do you think your helping right now? 

I already made it clear that if bigger board makes no difference for what he will do with it, it's you the one picking the fight.

[Mark Kaine]

45 minutes ago, Jurrunio said:

wont because I'm correct,

Lol