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Ryzen 5 3500 vs 3600

MeowPappa
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My questions

 

*Does the 3600 justify the 100 dollar premium versus the 3500. 

 

*What difference does the extra 6 thread give. I do gaming, plus some photo editing in Lightroom, 3D modeling and coding using visual studio.

 

*Which cheap motherboard should I go for?

 

*Planning to combo it with a 1660 super. Any bottlenecking?

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The 3500 is better for a gaming focused PC, 12 threads is a bit much but you still have the option to upgrade down the line when it becomes more relevant.

2 minutes ago, MeowPappa said:

Which cheap motherboard should I go for?

Any of the B450 motherboards from MSI with "Max" in their name will be ready for Ryzen 3000 series out of the box, look for a bazooka or tomahawk. Also the Asrock B450M/AC.

 

4 minutes ago, MeowPappa said:

Planning to combo it with a 1660 super. Any bottlenecking?

Mid range CPU, mid range graphics card, no need to worry about bottleneck

I WILL find your ITX build thread, and I WILL recommend the SIlverstone Sugo SG13B

 

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Draws 400 watts under max load, for reference.

 

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13 minutes ago, Fasauceome said:

The 3500 is better for a gaming focused PC, 12 threads is a bit much but you still have the option to upgrade down the line when it becomes more relevant.

Any of the B450 motherboards from MSI with "Max" in their name will be ready for Ryzen 3000 series out of the box, look for a bazooka or tomahawk. Also the Asrock B450M/AC.

 

Mid range CPU, mid range graphics card, no need to worry about bottleneck

Thanks mate. One question, *can the processor /GPU handle dual GPU . I talking about rx 460 I want to use it for my hackintosh. And is lying around. * Will a 450 watt PSU be fine?

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3 minutes ago, MeowPappa said:

Will a 450 watt PSU be fine?

depends on which 450w PSU, and also I only see a single RX 460 here?

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6 minutes ago, MeowPappa said:

Thanks mate. One question, *can the processor /GPU handle dual GPU . I talking about rx 460 I want to use it for my hackintosh. And is lying around. * Will a 450 watt PSU be fine?

Motherboard is what mainly is needed for dual graphics card support. You'd be looking at an X470 board, maybe X570 if you wanted to get something nice (consider Asus X570 Prime P if you're budget minded) but yes the two RX 460s would be compatible if you get the right motherboard.

 

What 450 watt PSU do you specifically have in mind? 450 watts is a fine amount but it should hopefully be a good unit.

I WILL find your ITX build thread, and I WILL recommend the SIlverstone Sugo SG13B

 

Primary PC:

i7 8086k - EVGA Z370 Classified K - G.Skill Trident Z RGB - WD SN750 - Jedi Order Titan Xp - Hyper 212 Black (with RGB Riing flair) - EVGA G3 650W - dual booting Windows 10 and Linux - Black and green theme, Razer brainwashed me.

Draws 400 watts under max load, for reference.

 

How many watts do I need? ATX 3.0 & PCIe 5.0 spec, PSU misconceptions, protections explained, group reg is bad

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Personally I wouldn't buy a nonSMT chip in near 2020 unless budget was extremely tight.

 

It's an efficiency technology that imo should be standard across the board nowadays.

 

You will probably notice it in some games and more as new games release, and you will notice it if you tend to multitask more while playing.

Before you reply to my post, REFRESH. 99.99% chance I edited my post. 

 

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1 hour ago, Plutosaurus said:

Personally I wouldn't buy a nonSMT chip in near 2020 unless budget was extremely tight.

 

It's an efficiency technology that imo should be standard across the board nowadays.

 

You will probably notice it in some games and more as new games release, and you will notice it if you tend to multitask more while playing.

Is it worth the extra 100 dollar. (Retailers here ask 250~)

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2 hours ago, Fasauceome said:

Motherboard is what mainly is needed for dual graphics card support. You'd be looking at an X470 board, maybe X570 if you wanted to get something nice (consider Asus X570 Prime P if you're budget minded) but yes the two RX 460s would be compatible if you get the right motherboard.

 

What 450 watt PSU do you specifically have in mind? 450 watts is a fine amount but it should hopefully be a good unit.

Corsair some thing

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1 minute ago, MeowPappa said:

Is it worth the extra 100 dollar. (Retailers here ask 250~)

I would pay it, personally.

 

I was burned with haswell i5 and I feel similarly in the 3500/9600

Before you reply to my post, REFRESH. 99.99% chance I edited my post. 

 

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3 minutes ago, MeowPappa said:

Corsair some thing

Depends on which specific unit. There are some Corsair CX450 units that aren't great.

I WILL find your ITX build thread, and I WILL recommend the SIlverstone Sugo SG13B

 

Primary PC:

i7 8086k - EVGA Z370 Classified K - G.Skill Trident Z RGB - WD SN750 - Jedi Order Titan Xp - Hyper 212 Black (with RGB Riing flair) - EVGA G3 650W - dual booting Windows 10 and Linux - Black and green theme, Razer brainwashed me.

Draws 400 watts under max load, for reference.

 

How many watts do I need? ATX 3.0 & PCIe 5.0 spec, PSU misconceptions, protections explained, group reg is bad

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IMO the 3600 is worth the money, it as a faster boost clockspeed, and 6 additional threads. The 3500 almost a 3200G but without the onboard graphics.

Edit: But the 3500 as the Zen 2 architecture and the additional 15% IPC boost. I would like to see how the 2600 stand against the 3500 for the price.

 

 

Look at the CPU load. If you consider there is still overclocking headroom with the 2600, it might be a better option if you game and video edit/render.

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4 minutes ago, Mathieu9836 said:

IMO the 3600 is worth the money, it as a faster boost clockspeed, and 6 additional threads. The 3500 almost a 3200G but without the onboard graphics.

I agree and I would say it's just a worse 9400f

Before you reply to my post, REFRESH. 99.99% chance I edited my post. 

 

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