Take it out of my head !!!

[givingtnt]

I can't not want this build : 

PCPartPicker Part List

Type	Item	Price
CPU	AMD Ryzen 9 3900X 3.8 GHz 12-Core Processor	$499.99 @ Best Buy
CPU Cooler	Corsair H80i v2 70.69 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler	$94.03 @ Newegg
Motherboard	Asus ROG Strix X570-I Gaming Mini ITX AM4 Motherboard	$249.99 @ B&H
Memory	Kingston HyperX Predator 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR4-3600 Memory	$341.60 @ Amazon
Storage	Patriot VPN100 1 TB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive	$120.98 @ Newegg
Video Card	Asus GeForce GTX 1070 8 GB STRIX Video Card	$0.00
Case	Lian Li TU150 Mini ITX Desktop Case	$160.00
Power Supply	SeaSonic FOCUS SGX 650 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular SFX Power Supply	$119.99 @ Amazon
	Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
	Total (before mail-in rebates)	$1606.58
	Mail-in rebates	-$20.00
	Total	$1586.58
	Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-11-12 00:35 EST-0500

 

 

Thing is, I also kinda want a midtower ATX ? but like.. I can't really decide on what I want.. so I'd like to have yall's input on the matter.

I don't think I have a need for another pcie slot ?
I'm also thinking about swapping for the Crosshair VIII Mini-DTX.. but idk..

I got time and money won't be an issue.. I just don't know lol

[amdorintel]

why asus mobo? go with msi or gig

[givingtnt]

1 minute ago, amdorintel said:

why asus mobo? go with msi or gig

If you're not going to answer the question don't reply to the thread.

[amdorintel]

1 minute ago, givingtnt said:

If you're not going to answer the question don't reply to the thread.

I just heard multiple times from bullzoid on actually hardcore overclocking that asus and asrock are not the go to mobos, and to select msi or gigabyte. i think he said there is a lot of fiddling around and the bios is messed up and the vrms are very old.

[Flying Sausages]

Full tower case and atx board because no compromise in cooling and space. ITX is too cramp and it will be a hot toaster. Midtower is a another man full tower case. 

[givingtnt]

Just now, OlympicAssEater said:

 man full tower case. 

What ?

Also, not really. this case has more than enough airflow to cool my 1070 & the cpu. it's not a matter of space...

[amdorintel]

2 minutes ago, OlympicAssEater said:

Full tower case and atx board because no compromise in cooling and space. ITX is too cramp and it will be a hot toaster. Midtower is a another man full tower case. 

eatx would have better airflow though, pushing more air = cooler

size fitment matters so atx is the goto

itx depends on the fans i guess

[Damascus]

7 minutes ago, OlympicAssEater said:

ITX is too cramp 

ITX is king, fight me

[Flying Sausages]

2 minutes ago, givingtnt said:

What ?

Also, not really. this case has more than enough airflow to cool my 1070 & the cpu. it's not a matter of space...

The itx case you choose will probably going to have a tough time to cool down the 3900x beast and probably will be a hot toaster. I like full tower case and atx because you can fit more big cooler with no compromise.

 

3 minutes ago, amdorintel said:

eatx would have better airflow though, pushing more air = cooler

size fitment matters so atx is the goto

itx depends on the fans i guess

Some full tower case can take EATX motherboard like Corsair 750d airflow edition.

[WereCatf]

2 minutes ago, amdorintel said:

eatx would have better airflow though, pushing more air = cooler

Big size does not equal better airflow, it all depends on the components going into the case, the case-design itself, number of fans and how the fans are set up. There are plenty of EATX-cases with horrible airflow and there are plenty of e.g. midtowers with exceedingly good airflow, including the cases I bought for my hubby and I.

[Damascus]

2 minutes ago, OlympicAssEater said:

The itx case you choose will probably going to have a tough time to cool down the 3900x beast and probably will be a hot toaster. I like full tower case and atx because you can fit more big cooler with no compromise.

The tu150 + h80i combo will cool a 3900x with no issues whatsoever.  I'm not a fan of big ITX cases like it, but they do have the advantage of being easy to cool 

[amdorintel]

2 minutes ago, WereCatf said:

Big size does not equal better airflow, it all depends on the components going into the case, the case-design itself, number of fans and how the fans are set up. There are plenty of EATX-cases with horrible airflow and there are plenty of e.g. midtowers with exceedingly good airflow, including the cases I bought for my hubby and I.

true that

but an eatx with good airflow can push a ton of air more then atx

but i dont have a smoke machine to test air currents

also eatx way more room for water cool, bigger resevoirs, waaaay larger rads

 

most people either go atx or smaller

airflow is crucial, as mentioned

[givingtnt]

1 minute ago, OlympicAssEater said:

The itx case you choose will probably going to have a tough time to cool down the 3900x beast and probably will be a hot toaster. I like full tower case and atx because you can fit more big cooler with no compromise.

 

Some full tower case can take EATX motherboard like Corsair 750d airflow edition.

I don't think you know what you're talking about here..
It's pretty easy to see how the front 120 leades into the back radiator to cool the cpu.
two fans on the bottom shoving air on the gpu cooler

Entirely separated cooling
High airflow

Did you even look at it or were you too busy farting ?

[Jurrunio]

Lian Li TU150 is pretty much a case build for air cooling, since it can only hold a 120mm AIO but has 165mm air cooler headroom (i.e. stronger air coolers than liquid coolers). A dark rock pro 4 for example will work much better than an H80i v2. The HyperX Predator sticks are too tall though so I'd change them out to accomodate the cooler.

 

Asus X570-I has the same VRM as the Crosshair VIII Impact, so unless you're really enthusiastic about overclocking there's no need for the Impact. As for other X570 ITX boards, currently PCPP only lists the Asus X570-I and Gigabyte X570 I and their cost don't differ much. I'd stick to Asus because it has a better VRM and working RGB software. MSI's B450I Gaming Plus is more attractive than Gigabyte X570 I if price is that sensitive.

 

Not much reason to go ATX if you can spend extra for smaller size

[Jurrunio]

6 minutes ago, amdorintel said:

true that

but an eatx with good airflow can push a ton of air more then atx

but i dont have a smoke machine to test air currents

also eatx way more room for water cool, bigger resevoirs, waaaay larger rads

 

most people either go atx or smaller

airflow is crucial, as mentioned

Then why not go open bench? Best airflow case is no case, just a frame. You're not being reasonable.

[amdorintel]

3 minutes ago, Jurrunio said:

Then why not go open bench? Best airflow case is no case, just a frame. You're not being reasonable.

if thats the aim

 

but most people go with atx or smaller

 

i wonder if there is a youtube channel that does airflow videos, would be cool

 

[Flying Sausages]

 

11 minutes ago, givingtnt said:

I don't think you know what you're talking about here..
It's pretty easy to see how the front 120 leades into the back radiator to cool the cpu.
two fans on the bottom shoving air on the gpu cooler

Entirely separated cooling
High airflow

Did you even look at it or were you too busy farting ?

I don't think you know what you are talking about. 120mm aio will barely going to keep 3900x cool. You can put two fans on the bottom to shove air into gpu if the gpu is not fat. Mounting aio in the front of this case will have air restriction because is getting air on the side front instead the front.

 

 

[amdorintel]

Here is one for itx

lots of holes in the cases!

 

Skyreach 4 Min

Ncase M1

Dan A4-SFX

Louqe Ghost S1

Node 202

Cougar QBX

1:39 Most Compact - Skyreach

3:55 Best Performance - NCASE M1 (can fit separate CPU/GPU radiators, AIO fits too)

5:45 Best budget - Cougar QBX (~$70)

7:15 Best design - Louque Ghost S1 (alumnium panel, more preimum than mid and full tower ATX cases)

9:20 Best for gaming - DAN A4-SFX (liquid cool possible by 92mm AIO)

10:25 Best overall - NCASE M1

 

 

 

 

 

[givingtnt]

6 hours ago, amdorintel said:

if thats the aim

 

but most people go with atx or smaller

 

i wonder if there is a youtube channel that does airflow videos, would be cool

 

I can build the case in 3d and run CFDs if I so chose.
But I chose not to.

[TVwazhere]

7 hours ago, OlympicAssEater said:

I don't think you know what you are talking about. 120mm aio will barely going to keep 3900x cool. You can put two fans on the bottom to shove air into gpu if the gpu is not fat. Mounting aio in the front of this case will have air restriction because is getting air on the side front instead the front.

Which is perfectly fine, because Lian Li allowed adequate ventilation space for a fan to be able to pull from both sides.

 

Also keep in mind this is a H80i V2, which is a 49mm thick rad, which will have closer to 240mm rad performance. Though I do agree with @WereCatf that this case benefits more from a larger Air cooler, this AIO will do just fine especially if you put the 3900x in Eco Mode which generates way less heat.

 

Also to @givingtnt's very crucial point, Airflow is important yes but it's not a 9900k and 2080ti system; Airflow is not as high of a concern with a build like this

[Flying Sausages]

1 hour ago, TVwazhere said:

Which is perfectly fine, because Lian Li allowed adequate ventilation space for a fan to be able to pull from both sides.

 

Also keep in mind this is a H80i V2, which is a 49mm thick rad, which will have closer to 240mm rad performance. Though I do agree with @WereCatf that this case benefits more from a larger Air cooler, this AIO will do just fine especially if you put the 3900x in Eco Mode which generates way less heat.

 

Also to @givingtnt's very crucial point, Airflow is important yes but it's not a 9900k and 2080ti system; Airflow is not as high of a concern with a build like this

Isnt 3900x in eco mode will not going to perform its full potential? 

 

Pulling air from both sides are not great compare to the whole front got mesh filter which will pull more air than both sides front. 

[TVwazhere]

25 minutes ago, OlympicAssEater said:

Isnt 3900x in eco mode will not going to perform its full potential? 

Correct, but in ITX cases you either sacrifice Noise, Size or cooling. The 3900X simply wont turbo as high as it normally would (and draw considerably less power), but in multi threaded applications will still beat an 8 core equivalent, as you might recall from this conversation:

Spoiler

On 11/7/2019 at 9:29 AM, porina said:

I discovered the ECO mode on my 3600 while playing with Ryzen Master. I'm considering enabling this on all my Zen 2 systems. Both of them.  On the 3600 at least, it reduces PPT from 88W to 60W, but the drop in clocks wasn't much (depends on actual load). So absolute performance is lower, but power efficiency goes up quite a bit. Also makes cooling a lot easier.

On 11/7/2019 at 7:06 PM, OlympicAssEater said:

How much perf you lost from going to eco?

On 11/8/2019 at 3:57 AM, porina said:

I didn't write down the exact clocks. Running Prime95-like workloads I think it was around 200MHz or so. I'll have to put it on again later. Note for lower power workloads you might not see any drop at all, this only really affects higher power workloads (Cinebench R15 would probably trigger it too).

 

So as long as you dont need maximum performance all the time, eco mode makes sense for ITX systems that are not meant for CPU intensive applications where every % matters.

26 minutes ago, OlympicAssEater said:

Pulling air from both sides are not great compare to the whole front got mesh filter which will pull more air than both sides front. 

Front full mesh is better than side vent intake, but that doesn't mean side vent intake is bad. When implemented correctly, it can be done well and within only a few degrees of some front fan equivalents, such as the View 71 (which stock for stock matches a Meshify C when both cases have their default two fan setup)

Spoiler

https://www.gamersnexus.net/hwreviews/3071-thermaltake-view-71-case-review-vs-570x

Now, Full mesh front panels tend to widen this gap as you add more fans (or a case that has more stock fans like the P400A:

Spoiler

https://www.gamersnexus.net/hwreviews/3511-phanteks-p400a-digital-rgb-case-review-airflow-mesh-panel-testing

But that doesnt mean if a case doesnt have a Full mesh front intake that it's immediately terrible for cooling. It's a matter of how those fans are position to leverage the cooling potential of the side ventilation, however most case manufctuers prioritize looks over proper cooling methods and mount fans on the outside of railings which does not leverage the side ventilation (such as the infamous Original H500P, but lesser known variants are offenders of this too like the MB520 and Sharktoon TG4) Cases like practically all of the Fractal Design Define cases, the View 71 and the Corsair 460x/570x do decently in these case stress test because they properly position the fans.

 

We're getting fairly off topic here, but the TL;DR is the case will be fine and with some tuning can be made to fit almost any build with minimal compromises to people who are not looking for the absolute highest overclocks with the absolute lowest temperatures (which is not the goal of an ITX system, it's to build a smaller system that does all or mot of a bigger ATX machine can do)