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[JordNL]

26 minutes ago, LIGISTX said:

Not sure if this is the place to post... But I am seemingly not getting more jobs for Rosseta. Both of my rigs I have the CPU's running Rosetta and both are not queuing up new jobs. Known issue? Too many users like FAH?

 

No, although Rosetta has gotten more users in the past weeks, the active users are just around 56K, well below the threshold of their servers or bandwidth. They do sometimes have trouble downloading some parts of tasks, which then stall your downloads all together. Check in the Transfers tab in BOINC Manager Advanced view if anything's stuck.

But earlier today Rosetta had some internal trouble:

 

Quote

The problem has been resolved. Sounds like the piece of the network that thought it saw malware caused the frame to just be dropped. That's probably pretty rare. The servers have been whitelisted on the malware detection software.

Also, if https were used for file downloads, it would probably prevent intermediate nodes from analyzing the packet content. Although I suppose it might also trip on to a case where the encrypted packets trip some detection if the software doesn't ignore the encrypted packets. The project is also looking in to using https.

 

26 minutes ago, LIGISTX said:

 

Also, looks like if I hit properties, I have 117 tasks completed, 11 failed. What would case a failed task? I am running an overclock that has never failed a stress test, seemingly at least. Would this be indicative of an unstable OC, or can tasks fail for other reasons?

 

Tasks can fail for all kinds of reasons. Overclocking is one, but you can check the outcome of any task by going to Your account, Tasks, then click on the ID number of any of the failed tasks and read what it says in the Stderr output. This generally gives a hint as to why a task has crashed. Although the error numbers and description can be cryptic, so if you don't follow, post some examples here.

[LIGISTX]

58 minutes ago, De Baard said:

No, although Rosetta has gotten more users in the past weeks, the active users are just around 56K, well below the threshold of their servers or bandwidth. They do sometimes have trouble downloading some parts of tasks, which then stall your downloads all together. Check in the Transfers tab in BOINC Manager Advanced view if anything's stuck.

But earlier today Rosetta had some internal trouble:

 

 

Tasks can fail for all kinds of reasons. Overclocking is one, but you can check the outcome of any task by going to Your account, Tasks, then click on the ID number of any of the failed tasks and read what it says in the Stderr output. This generally gives a hint as to why a task has crashed. Although the error numbers and description can be cryptic, so if you don't follow, post some examples here.

Thanks for the info. Looks like I do have jobs once again, so all is well in the universe.

 

Now onto the errors, not really sure what your looking for... 

 

Looks like a bunch are this:

<core_client_version>7.14.2</core_client_version>
<![CDATA[
<message>
(unknown error) - exit code -1073741819 (0xc0000005)</message>
<stderr_txt>
command: projects/boinc.bakerlab.org_rosetta/rosetta_4.07_windows_x86_64.exe @8v2nm_gb_c888_8mer_gb_000492.flags -nstruct 10000 -cpu_run_time 28800 -watchdog -boinc:max_nstruct 600 -checkpoint_interval 120 -mute all -database minirosetta_database -in::file::zip minirosetta_database.zip -boinc::watchdog -run::rng mt19937 -constant_seed -jran 1786452
Starting watchdog...
Watchdog active.


Unhandled Exception Detected...

- Unhandled Exception Record -
Reason: Access Violation (0xc0000005) at address 0x0000000000000001 

 

With a few being:

<core_client_version>7.14.2</core_client_version>
<![CDATA[
<message>
(unknown error) - exit code -529697949 (0xe06d7363)</message>
<stderr_txt>
command: projects/boinc.bakerlab.org_rosetta/rosetta_4.07_windows_intelx86.exe -run:protocol jd2_scripting -parser:protocol jhr_boinc.xml @flags -in:file:silent 1cf6md0s_jhr_design1_COVID-19.silent -in:file:silent_struct_type binary -silent_gz -mute all -out:file:silent_struct_type binary -out:file:silent default.out -in:file:boinc_wu_zip 1cf6md0s_jhr_design1_COVID-19.zip -nstruct 10000 -cpu_run_time 28800 -watchdog -boinc:max_nstruct 600 -checkpoint_interval 120 -database minirosetta_database -in::file::zip minirosetta_database.zip -boinc::watchdog -run::rng mt19937 -constant_seed -jran 1229133
Starting watchdog...
Watchdog active.


Unhandled Exception Detected...

- Unhandled Exception Record -
Reason: Out Of Memory (C++ Exception) (0xe06d7363) at address 0x76B14192

And one went absolutely HAM on whatever it piped out to the debug log. I don't even want to copy paste is all as its a bit nuts, but this is the first maybe like, 1/20th of it:

<core_client_version>7.14.2</core_client_version>
<![CDATA[
<message>
(unknown error) - exit code -1073741819 (0xc0000005)</message>
<stderr_txt>
941eac2 c5f026d0 c5f026d0 c5b11920 c5b00360 ntdll!KiUserExceptionDispatcher+0x0 SymFromAddr(): GetLastError = '126'  SymGetModuleInfo(): GetLastError = '126' Address = 'f067fe8e'
67d569c0 3941eac6 c5f01860 c5f01870 c5b133f0 c5b002b0 rosetta_4.07_windows_x86_64!cppdb::atomic_counter::get+0x0 SymFromAddr(): GetLastError = '126'  SymGetModuleInfo(): GetLastError = '126' Address = '3941eac2'
67d56a10 3941eac6 c5f01b70 c5f01ba0 c5b12580 c5afe470 rosetta_4.07_windows_x86_64!cppdb::atomic_counter::get+0x0 SymFromAddr(): GetLastError = '126'  SymGetModuleInfo(): GetLastError = '126' Address = '3941eac6'
67d56a60 3941eac6 c5f01800 c5f01820 c5b11240 c5afef70 rosetta_4.07_windows_x86_64!cppdb::atomic_counter::get+0x0 SymFromAddr(): GetLastError = '126'  SymGetModuleInfo(): GetLastError = '126' Address = '3941eac6'
67d56ab0 3941eac6 c5f02020 c5f02040 c5b13290 c5afe050 rosetta_4.07_windows_x86_64!cppdb::atomic_counter::get+0x0 SymFromAddr(): GetLastError = '126'  SymGetModuleInfo(): GetLastError = '126' Address = '3941eac6'
67d56b00 3941eac6 c5f017b0 c5f017e0 c5b131e0 c5b00200 rosetta_4.07_windows_x86_64!cppdb::atomic_counter::get+0x0 SymFromAddr(): GetLastError = '126'  SymGetModuleInfo(): GetLastError = '126' Address = '3941eac6'
67d56b50 3941eac6 c5f027f0 c5f02810 c5b11df0 c5afeec0 rosetta_4.07_windows_x86_64!cppdb::atomic_counter::get+0x0 SymFromAddr(): GetLastError = '126'  SymGetModuleInfo(): GetLastError = '126' Address = '3941eac6'
67d56ba0 3941eac6 c5f02430 c5f02450 c5b12e70 c5affb20 rosetta_4.07_windows_x86_64!cppdb::atomic_counter::get+0x0 SymFromAddr(): GetLastError = '126'  SymGetModuleInfo(): GetLastError = '126' Address = '3941eac6'
67d56bf0 3941eac6 c5f023e0 c5f02410 c5b12160 c5b00990 rosetta_4.07_windows_x86_64!cppdb::atomic_counter::get+0x0 SymFromAddr(): GetLastError = '126'  SymGetModuleInfo(): GetLastError = '126' Address = '3941eac6'
67d56c40 3941eac6 c5f02840 c5f02860 c5b13550 c5afe260 rosetta_4.07_windows_x86_64!cppdb::atomic_counter::get+0x0 SymFromAddr(): GetLastError = '126'  SymGetModuleInfo(): GetLastError = '126' Address = '3941eac6'
67d56c90 3941eac6 c5f02980 c5f029a0 c5b12c60 c5affd30 rosetta_4.07_windows_x86_64!cppdb::atomic_counter::get+0x0 SymFromAddr(): GetLastError = '126'  SymGetModuleInfo(): GetLastError = '126' Address = '3941eac6'
67d56ce0 3941eac6 c5f02ac0 c5f02af0 c5b117c0 c5b00830 rosetta_4.07_windows_x86_64!cppdb::atomic_counter::get+0x0 SymFromAddr(): GetLastError = '126'  SymGetModuleInfo(): GetLastError = '126' Address = '3941eac6'
67d56d30 3941eac6 c5f01760 c5f01780 c5b12bb0 c5afe890 rosetta_4.07_windows_x86_64!cppdb::atomic_counter::get+0x0 SymFromAddr(): GetLastError = '126'  SymGetModuleInfo(): GetLastError = '126' Address = '3941eac6'
67d56d80 3941eac6 c5f019e0 c5f01a00 c5b13ad0 c5b00620 rosetta_4.07_windows_x86_64!cppdb::atomic_counter::get+0x0 SymFromAddr(): GetLastError = '126'  SymGetModuleInfo(): GetLastError = '126' Address = '3941eac6'
67d56dd0 3941eac6 c5f02390 c5f023c0 c5b11c90 c5aff0d0 rosetta_4.07_windows_x86_64!cppdb::atomic_counter::get+0x0 SymFromAddr(): GetLastError = '126'  SymGetModuleInfo(): GetLastError = '126' Address = '3941eac6'

 

[JordNL]

Okay, when looking at errors in BOINC (of which there are plenty) you look at the error between the <message> tags. The part between parenthesis equals to the Windows error explanation.

In your case, in <message> (unknown error) - exit code -1073741819 (0xc0000005)</message>, that's the 0xc0000005 part. In Windows this error means a that the application tried to address memory outside of what can be addressed. If it happens once or twice, it's probably something iffy about the task, this is negligable. If it happens all the time, you post about it on their forums, as their application or tasks may be faulty.

 

<message>(unknown error) - exit code -529697949 (0xe06d7363)</message> I never saw before, but here the Unhandled Exception Record gave the clue: the application ran out of memory. All tasks running under BOINC come with a set amount of resources they can use. These are set by the project. But you yourself can set in BOINC how much memory can be used by applications when the computer is in use, and when it's idle. If you set these values to very stringent values, applications that require a lot of memory can get into trouble. I've noticed that Rosetta tasks generally take between 1 and 2GB of RAM per task. So keep that in mind when running on all your threads and you have set the memory usage to something other than 100%.

 

Lastly, GetLastError = 126 is in general a difficult one to figure out. Essentially it's a problem with a DLL file, but which one and where and why and how completely depends on how the project compiled their application. If there's one or two, leave it be. If you only have these, report at their forums.

[Ragnarsdad]

Hi

 

Joined the team a few days ago.

 

Although I heard about SETI and WCG back in the early 2000's and thought it was a cool idea i never got around to looking into it further (alas same for bitcoin back in 2011). i started crunching on Boinc in the crypto rush of 2017, I gave up on crypto a while back but i do love the science so i am still crunching.

 

I have had to cut back my crunchers in a big way as it was costing me upwards of £250.00 per month on electricity (that was for around 10 dual CPU workstations running old westmere xeons, a few socket 2011's, a few Ryzens, Core 2's and a laptops thrown in. Vast majority of the crunchers have now been sold to try and cover some of my last leccy bill)

 

I will be crunching on WCG with half a ryzen 2600X and will be switching on my Dell T7500 (dual L5640 Westmere) in a few days.

[JordNL]

Seti@Home stopped its work distribution last night. There are only resends for the time being, before they also stop and the project really goes into hibernation.

[Ragnarsdad]

WCG just announced a new project aimed at Covid 19 and future pandemics

 

[yoerik]

10 hours ago, Ragnarsdad said:

WCG just announced a new project aimed at Covid 19 and future pandemics

 

Genuinely looking forward to it - OpenPandemics will certainly be interesting.

https://www.worldcommunitygrid.org/forums/wcg/viewthread_thread,42232

[LIGISTX]

On 3/31/2020 at 12:48 AM, De Baard said:

Okay, when looking at errors in BOINC (of which there are plenty) you look at the error between the <message> tags. The part between parenthesis equals to the Windows error explanation.

In your case, in <message> (unknown error) - exit code -1073741819 (0xc0000005)</message>, that's the 0xc0000005 part. In Windows this error means a that the application tried to address memory outside of what can be addressed. If it happens once or twice, it's probably something iffy about the task, this is negligable. If it happens all the time, you post about it on their forums, as their application or tasks may be faulty.

 

<message>(unknown error) - exit code -529697949 (0xe06d7363)</message> I never saw before, but here the Unhandled Exception Record gave the clue: the application ran out of memory. All tasks running under BOINC come with a set amount of resources they can use. These are set by the project. But you yourself can set in BOINC how much memory can be used by applications when the computer is in use, and when it's idle. If you set these values to very stringent values, applications that require a lot of memory can get into trouble. I've noticed that Rosetta tasks generally take between 1 and 2GB of RAM per task. So keep that in mind when running on all your threads and you have set the memory usage to something other than 100%.

 

Lastly, GetLastError = 126 is in general a difficult one to figure out. Essentially it's a problem with a DLL file, but which one and where and why and how completely depends on how the project compiled their application. If there's one or two, leave it be. If you only have these, report at their forums.

So, after some AIDA64 testing, seems like my mobo or CPU, or both, have taken a dump. It fails instantly at almost anything except 100% stock clocks. I am thinking my mobo VRM took a dunk, even just turning on multi core enhancement which pushes a lot more volts then is needed doesn't stay stable. The same night those errors cropped up, the system crashed, and looks like ever since it hasn't been stable. I guess a 9700k and new mobo are in my future. Already ordered from microcenter. This is the first mobo/CPU I have ever fried, and it was SUCH a good CPU too! I am not 100% sure which failed, but I am going to attempt to RMA both, and sell the replacement parts. I don't really want to wait weeks for this to be up and running again.... I guess in my 15+ years of overclocking and PC building, this golden 8700k was the one to die :/. 

[JordNL]

5 hours ago, LIGISTX said:

So, after some AIDA64 testing, seems like my mobo or CPU, or both, have taken a dump. It fails instantly at almost anything except 100% stock clocks. I am thinking my mobo VRM took a dunk, even just turning on multi core enhancement which pushes a lot more volts then is needed doesn't stay stable. The same night those errors cropped up, the system crashed, and looks like ever since it hasn't been stable. I guess a 9700k and new mobo are in my future. Already ordered from microcenter. This is the first mobo/CPU I have ever fried, and it was SUCH a good CPU too! I am not 100% sure which failed, but I am going to attempt to RMA both, and sell the replacement parts. I don't really want to wait weeks for this to be up and running again.... I guess in my 15+ years of overclocking and PC building, this golden 8700k was the one to die :/. 

Well, I hadn't considered yet that it was your hardware. I know BOINC is a good burn in platform for hardware, and it'll find stability problems that go otherwise undetected. But you had just 11 failed tasks out of 117 completed, I don't call that hardware trouble. Did all the other tasks finish and validate correctly then? Or did the errors only manifest in the end?

[Windows7ge]

I'm probably late to the party but World Community Grid will soon be offering a project to allow contribution towards helping the COVID-19 pandemic.

 

I'M IN!...I wonder if it'll be GPU compatible.

[Shigeru]

Quick and maybe dumb question, I just change my BOINC team in Rosetta to LTT and aside of having to wait to see the team changed in Boincstats and etc, how the points for the team are counted in BOINC/Rosetta? Also, LTT is in all BOINC projects?

[LIGISTX]

20 hours ago, De Baard said:

Well, I hadn't considered yet that it was your hardware. I know BOINC is a good burn in platform for hardware, and it'll find stability problems that go otherwise undetected. But you had just 11 failed tasks out of 117 completed, I don't call that hardware trouble. Did all the other tasks finish and validate correctly then? Or did the errors only manifest in the end?

Yup, it manifested when I started posting about it. Two nights in a row I woke up to it hard locked on a black screen, and now the CPU fails stress tests like its paid to :/. I got an RMA from Intel, and will work on mobo next (although I will sell the new mobo I get.... the VRM come to find out isn't really up to the task of sustained overclocking, even though its Z390...). Intel gave me full purchase price refund, so I went and picked up a MUCH better board and a 9900k. Too bad tho, that 8700k was a golden chip! 

[yoerik]

13 hours ago, Windows7ge said:

I'm probably late to the party but World Community Grid will soon be offering a project to allow contribution towards helping the COVID-19 pandemic.

 

I'M IN!...I wonder if it'll be GPU compatible.

They're focusing on getting it online first - only then, looking at enabling GPU WUs.

[Windows7ge]

12 hours ago, yoerik said:

They're focusing on getting it online first - only then, looking at enabling GPU WUs.

I'll get Ubuntu 18.04.3 running again then on a spare SSD so my rig is ready to go for when the WU's drop.

 

I need to research getting OpenCL working on Ubuntu Server so I can setup some headless rigs as well. I can use a VM to test it in the meantime.

[Windows7ge]

I wonder if this years BOINC Pentathlon will feature COVID-19. I think it'd be appropriate.

[Jeremiah.Schorn]

Boinc installed, setup and Projects selected using current Forum Name and all attached to LTT teams

[Paul W]

Just joined the Rosetta@Home team after 12+ years idle.

 

Hard to believe it took 11 water cooled PCs to crank out 14 GHz when I last ran the project in 05-07, and now my HTPC matches that with only 3 threads. 

[yoerik]

1 hour ago, Paul W said:

Just joined the Rosetta@Home team after 12+ years idle.

 

Hard to believe it took 11 water cooled PCs to crank out 14 GHz when I last ran the project in 05-07, and now my HTPC matches that with only 3 threads. 

Welcome back - and the power of technology - wow.

[jctappel67]

So after the FAH event is over I wanna switch the rig over to BOINC for a bit to try and get that sweet Bronze BOINC Badge. Rosetta@Home is never gonna get me there with only a R5 3600. 

 

What's a good program for GPUs?

[Ithanul]

43 minutes ago, jctappel67 said:

So after the FAH event is over I wanna switch the rig over to BOINC for a bit to try and get that sweet Bronze BOINC Badge. Rosetta@Home is never gonna get me there with only a R5 3600. 

 

What's a good program for GPUs?

If you want the points fast, Collatz.

There is also GPUGRID as well.  I remember talk about them doing up an WU for covid-19, but have yet to see anything official from them yet.

 

WCG is also doing covid-19 WUs.

[Paul W]

Edit: Sorry... missed the GPU part.

Rosetta is CPU only

I guess I'll be looking for a GPU project also after this

 

Rosetta@Home

 

My entire queue is Covid19

 

 

 

[JordNL]

12 hours ago, Paul W said:

Edit: Sorry... missed the GPU part.

Rosetta is CPU only

I guess I'll be looking for a GPU project also after this

 

WCG's COVID calculations will start on CPU, but they're already looking if the models can be calculated on a GPU. Not all models can easily be translated into something that's workable under CUDA or OpenCL.

 

BOINC USA has a list of projects that do have covid work or which will have it in the near future, and what it will run on: https://www.boincusa.com/forum/index.php?threads/coronavirus-covid-19-projects.1623/

[JordNL]

It's been announced by PSchoefer of Seti.Germany:

Dear Pentathletes,

5 May 2020, the starting day of the eleventh BOINC Pentathlon, is only a few weeks away. Even in difficult times, SETI.Germany invites all Volunteer Computing enthusiast teams to participate in the five disciplines over two weeks and to gather in front of their computers - everyone in front of their own computer, of course. Maybe some of us will go through a different illness than the Pentathlon fever or spend much of their time keeping important businesses such as healthcare or food supply running. Let's not forget the former and thank the latter by crunching a work unit for all of them!

While the process and rules remain largely unchanged from last year, a maximum of flexibility is needed for choosing the projects, as maybe one project needs the computing power more urgently than others or a project may be unavailable on short notice. To make the Pentathlon nevertheless as exciting and trouble-free as possible, not only the Marathon project, but all five projects are chosen by a small group of the organizers this year.

The teams can now sign up until 2 May using this form. We're looking forward to welcoming you again, because:

It will be exciting again at the BOINC Pentathlon!

[dan_729]

Guys how do I link my Boinc account with my F@H stats? Looks like it is required for me to get F@H badges 

[MrFinn741]

26 minutes ago, dan_729 said:

Guys how do I link my Boinc account with my F@H stats? Looks like it is required for me to get F@H badges 

No, you only need a link to the one you are requesting a badge for, folding ID OR Boincstats account. As far as i know you can't link them together anyway.