Trying to convincing my friend that x570 is not needed for what he wants

[komputeridiat]

Hello my friend wants to build a computer that can be used for Office and some "light" gaming.

His budget is 1500-2000CAD.

 

I'm just wondering if the ram that I've picked is better for the 3700x and will it work with the Asrock board even though it is not listed as compatible with it.

He insists on having an X570 board with wifi, but I'm convinced that a B450 board can do just as well and into the future too.

He mentioned playing Prey (2017) and KOTOR (2003/2004), and he has a medical condition (arthritis) which leads me to believe that 144Hz high competitive gaming (CS GO, Dota2, Fortnite) is out of the question.

Wifi is a must for the Mobo.

 

I don't know much about monitors, but I'm hoping that the GPUs listed can support Ultra Wide.

 

He wishes this computer will last him 5+ years for above purposes needed.

 

Thanks in advance.

 

This is what I think my friend should have if I tap everything out. (CAD)

 

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: AMD Ryzen 7 3700X 3.6 GHz 8-Core Processor  ($419.75 @ Vuugo)
Motherboard: MSI B450 GAMING PRO CARBON AC ATX AM4 Motherboard  ($179.99 @ Canada Computers)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws V 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3600 Memory  ($100.99 @ Newegg Canada)
Storage: ADATA XPG SX8200 Pro 2 TB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive  ($299.99 @ Memory Express)
Video Card: Sapphire Radeon RX 5700 XT 8 GB PULSE Video Card  ($529.75 @ Vuugo)
Case: Cooler Master MasterBox NR600 (w/ODD) ATX Mid Tower Case  ($79.99 @ Memory Express)
Power Supply: Gigabyte 750 W 80+ Gold Certified Semi-modular ATX Power Supply  ($79.99 @ Memory Express)
Monitor: AOC G2590FX 24.5" 1920x1080 144 Hz Monitor  ($275.95 @ Mike's Computer Shop)
Total: $1966.40
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-11-05 21:14 EST-0500

 

This is what I think he needs (CAD)

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: AMD Ryzen 7 2700 3.2 GHz 8-Core Processor  ($219.00 @ Canada Computers)
Motherboard: ASRock B450M/AC Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard  ($116.05 @ Vuugo)
Memory: Patriot Viper 4 Blackout 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3200 Memory  ($84.99 @ Amazon Canada)
Storage: Crucial P1 500 GB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive  ($86.95 @ Mike's Computer Shop)
Video Card: Zotac GeForce GTX 1660 Super 6 GB Twin Fan Video Card  ($309.00 @ Canada Computers)
Case: Cooler Master MasterBox NR600 (w/ODD) ATX Mid Tower Case  ($79.99 @ Memory Express)
Power Supply: SeaSonic EVO Edition 620 W 80+ Bronze Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply  ($79.31 @ Vuugo)
Monitor: LG 29WK600-W 29.0" 2560x1080 75 Hz Monitor  ($269.95 @ Vuugo)
Total: $1245.24
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-11-05 21:15 EST-0500

 

This is what he built (USD)

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 3600 3.6 GHz 6-Core Processor  ($194.00 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: Asus TUF GAMING X570-PLUS (WI-FI) ATX AM4 Motherboard  ($198.32 @ B&H)
Memory: G.Skill Trident Z 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3200 Memory  ($124.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: ADATA XPG SX8200 240 GB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive  ($61.97 @ Amazon)
Storage: Samsung 860 Evo 500 GB 2.5" Solid State Drive  ($69.98 @ Amazon)
Video Card: MSI GeForce GTX 1660 Ti 6 GB GAMING X Video Card  ($299.99 @ Newegg)
Case: Thermaltake V200 RGB ATX Mid Tower Case  ($79.98 @ Amazon)
Power Supply: EVGA B3 650 W 80+ Bronze Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply  ($79.99 @ ModMyMods)
Monitor: AOC C24G1 24.0" 1920x1080 144 Hz Monitor  ($144.99 @ Amazon)
Total: $1254.21
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-11-05 21:15 EST-0500

[Streetguru]

10 minutes ago, komputeridiat said:

 

I think EVGA's B3 Bronze units are broken/complete crap if I remember right, not sure about the quality of gigabyte's PSUs as well high wattage for a low cost is usually a red flag, but it is probably average/fine.

X570 is pretty cheap so I'd probably just buy it.

 

He should get an RX 5700/XT over the 1660ti though.

 

144hz is going to help no matter what.

 

Have 2 SSDs is just strange though, best to just get a 500GB NVME drive + 2TB hard drive or something.

 

3600mhz RAM is better for 144hz gaming, even 240hz would be useful to close the gap vs other players.

 

boards
https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/product/LcYQzy/gigabyte-x570-ud-atx-am4-motherboard-x570-ud
https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/product/McfFf7/asus-prime-x570-p-atx-am4-motherboard-prime-x570-p


 

PCPartPicker Part List: https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/2Hbjp8

Video Card: Sapphire Radeon RX 5700 8 GB PULSE Video Card  ($482.50 @ Vuugo)
Power Supply: Cooler Master MWE Gold 550 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply  ($79.98 @ Amazon Canada)
Total: $562.48
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-11-05 21:29 EST-0500

 

[komputeridiat]

11 minutes ago, Streetguru said:

I think EVGA's B3 Bronze units are broken/complete crap if I remember right, not sure about the quality of gigabyte's PSUs as well high wattage for a low cost is usually a red flag, but it is probably average/fine.

X570 is pretty cheap so I'd probably just buy it.

 

He should get an RX 5700/XT over the 1660ti though.

 

144hz is going to help no matter what.

 

Have 2 SSDs is just strange though, best to just get a 500GB NVME drive + 2TB hard drive or something.

 

3600mhz RAM is better for 144hz gaming, even 240hz would be useful to close the gap vs other players.

 

boards
https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/product/LcYQzy/gigabyte-x570-ud-atx-am4-motherboard-x570-ud
https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/product/McfFf7/asus-prime-x570-p-atx-am4-motherboard-prime-x570-p


 

PCPartPicker Part List: https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/2Hbjp8

Video Card: Sapphire Radeon RX 5700 8 GB PULSE Video Card  ($482.50 @ Vuugo)
Power Supply: Cooler Master MWE Gold 550 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply  ($79.98 @ Amazon Canada)
Total: $562.48
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-11-05 21:29 EST-0500

 

So do you think what I have built for him is good enough or should I still get an x570 for him?

What do you think of the one that I think he should have with the ultrawide?

Why is clock speed more important in 144 gaming? Isn't it a combination of CL and Mhz that gives the true latency that matter most?

Why is the 80+ Gold certified not enough to convince you that the PSU is good enough?

[Streetguru]

7 minutes ago, komputeridiat said:

Why is the 80+ Gold certified not enough to convince you that the PSU is good enough?

Just check like load testing reviews for it, There are Chinese 1000W units with 80+ ratings I wouldn't trust either.
 

3600mhz CL16 will be better than 3200mhz CL16 in general, they're just kind of cheap so it's probably worth the upgrade.

If I threw a whole thing together it would look like this with a 240hz display, as that's nice for fps games and the faster RAM is going to help get your fps up
https://www.displayninja.com/acer-xf250q-review/

Doesn't need the 8 core if he's not doing streaming
 

PCPartPicker Part List: https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/kNFdmg

CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 3600 3.6 GHz 6-Core Processor  ($253.25 @ Vuugo)
Motherboard: Gigabyte X570 UD ATX AM4 Motherboard  ($179.99 @ Canada Computers)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws V 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3600 Memory  ($100.99 @ Newegg Canada)
Storage: Intel 660p Series 512 GB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive  ($83.96 @ Mike's Computer Shop)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 2 TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  ($76.99 @ Newegg Canada)
Video Card: Sapphire Radeon RX 5700 8 GB PULSE Video Card  ($482.50 @ Vuugo)
Case: Fractal Design Focus G ATX Mid Tower Case  ($65.99 @ Mike's Computer Shop)
Power Supply: Cooler Master MWE Gold 550 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply  ($79.98 @ Amazon Canada)
Monitor: Acer XF250Q Cbmiiprx 24.5" 1920x1080 240 Hz Monitor  ($345.61 @ Amazon Canada)
Total: $1669.26
 

 

 

[Jurrunio]

I dont mind X570 compared to B450, it's much more upgradable when it comes to handling power hungry CPUs. I just dont like the rest of what he used.

[NumLock21]

If your friend wants a X570 board then get him a X570 board. It's his money he can spend it however he wants.

 

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 3600X 3.8 GHz 6-Core Processor  ($309.00 @ Canada Computers)
Motherboard: Asus TUF GAMING X570-PLUS (WI-FI) ATX AM4 Motherboard  ($255.99 @ PC-Canada)
Memory: G.Skill Trident Z RGB 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3600 Memory  ($127.99 @ Newegg Canada)
Storage: Samsung 860 Evo 500 GB 2.5" Solid State Drive  ($91.95 @ shopRBC)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 2 TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  ($76.99 @ Newegg Canada)
Video Card: Asus GeForce RTX 2060 SUPER 8 GB STRIX GAMING Advanced Video Card  ($619.00 @ Canada Computers)
Case: Corsair Carbide Series 275R ATX Mid Tower Case  ($69.99 @ Canada Computers)
Power Supply: Corsair RMx (2018) 750 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply  ($119.99 @ Memory Express)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 10 Pro Full - USB 32/64-bit  ($120.00 @ Amazon Canada)
Total: $1790.90
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-11-06 00:09 EST-0500

[komputeridiat]

9 hours ago, Streetguru said:

3600mhz CL16 will be better than 3200mhz CL16 in general, they're just kind of cheap so it's probably worth the upgrade.

I agree with that, but what I am wondering is if the 3600mhz 16cl will be better than 3200mhz 14cl. The true latency is lower on the 14cl but not by much.

[komputeridiat]

9 hours ago, Streetguru said:

Gigabyte X570 UD

Does this have WiFi? On its specifications page, it mentions lan, and one word of WiFi but doesn't mention the speed.

[komputeridiat]

8 hours ago, Jurrunio said:

I dont mind X570 compared to B450, it's much more upgradable when it comes to handling power hungry CPUs. I just dont like the rest of what he used.

This is a computer that is built to be not upgraded. In other words there is very little reason that he will upgrade it when he starts to use it. The overkill built I constructed for him should last 5 years of gaming at 1080p and maybe 7 years of Microsoft office.

[Jurrunio]

3 hours ago, komputeridiat said:

Does this have WiFi? On its specifications page, it mentions lan, and one word of WiFi but doesn't mention the speed.

no it doesn't

[Streetguru]

19 hours ago, komputeridiat said:

I agree with that, but what I am wondering is if the 3600mhz 16cl will be better than 3200mhz 14cl. The true latency is lower on the 14cl but not by much.

Those would be basically the same, in that case just get whatever is cheaper.

might be able to overclock that 3200mhz CL14 RAM as well.

Dunno about the motherboard wifi, they'll usually put that in the name, but I don't think many of the microATX boards have wifi built in.

 

The Q500L supports ATX motherboards, but it was much higher priced for some reason.