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So, thanks to the community, I've narrowed my build down to two basic builds. I would like nothing changed except the motherboard that you guys recommend. Unless there is something you strongly believe needs to be changed for the overall benefit of the build (Please include a rational why). The cpu cooler, memory, GPU, PSU, and case are basically top of the line that will last a significantly long time. I'm unfamiliar with what is necessary in a motherboard and would like your input. What is needed in a motherboard besides having the capability needed to run the pc components? If a motherboard can run the components you need is it essentially picking the cheapest? What do you look for in your motherboards? I do not need storage (I have it already). The budget is <$1750 USD. The purpose is solely for gaming and to last many years.

 

This first one is an i7-9700k. From what I understand, an i9-9900 wouldn't contribute much to the gaming experience and an i7 is a much more solid choice for your money.

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CPU: Intel Core i7-9700K 3.6 GHz 8-Core Processor  ($363.99 @ B&H) 
CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-D15 CHROMAX.BLACK 82.52 CFM CPU Cooler  ($99.95 @ Amazon) 
Motherboard: MSI MPG Z390 GAMING PRO CARBON ATX LGA1151 Motherboard  ($159.99 @ Newegg) 
Memory: Corsair Vengeance LPX 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3600 Memory  ($74.98 @ Amazon) 
Video Card: NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2080 SUPER 8 GB Video Card  ($699.99 @ Best Buy) 
Case: Fractal Design Meshify C ATX Mid Tower Case  ($98.98 @ Newegg) 
Power Supply: Corsair RM (2019) 750 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply  ($94.99 @ Newegg) 
Case Fan: Fractal Design X2 GP-12 (Black) 52.3 CFM 120 mm Fan  ($12.99 @ Amazon) 
Total: $1605.86
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-11-05 17:18 EST-0500

The second one is an AMD r9-3900x. A much more current CPU and much more powerful CPU than the i7-9700k listed above. 

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: AMD Ryzen 9 3900X 3.8 GHz 12-Core Processor  ($499.99 @ Amazon) 
CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-D15 CHROMAX.BLACK 82.52 CFM CPU Cooler  ($99.95 @ Amazon) 
Motherboard: Asus PRIME X570-P ATX AM4 Motherboard  ($149.99 @ B&H) 
Memory: Corsair Vengeance LPX 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3600 Memory  ($74.98 @ Amazon) 
Video Card: NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2080 SUPER 8 GB Video Card  ($699.99 @ Best Buy) 
Case: Fractal Design Meshify C ATX Mid Tower Case  ($98.98 @ Newegg) 
Power Supply: Corsair RM (2019) 750 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply  ($94.99 @ Newegg) 
Case Fan: Fractal Design X2 GP-12 (Black) 52.3 CFM 120 mm Fan  ($12.99 @ Amazon) 
Total: $1731.86
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-11-05 17:24 EST-0500

 

Your input is appreciated. Please include a rational for why you chose that particular motherboard! Thanks much community for all your help so far.

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The second build is better though a 3700x would be enough and save some money too.

 

22 minutes ago, OlympicAssEater said:

X570-P on 3900x....You will going to regret it lol. At least get X570 TUF Plus or Gigabyte x570 Aorus Elite.

 

The Prime-P handles a 3900x.

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Just now, Plouffe said:

The second build is better though a 3700x would be enough and save some money too.

 

 

The Prime-P handles a 3900x.

The X570 Prime Pro can handle 3900x but not the X570-P. These are two different boards.

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1 minute ago, OlympicAssEater said:

The X570 Prime Pro can handle 3900x but not the X570-P. These are two different boards.

Tier B 160A current draw on little ambient airflow, maxed out 3900X, 3950x at 1.3V on ambient cooling, maxed out 1800X on LN2

Asus: X570 Prime-P

 

Even a B450 tier C is enough though weird to pair it with a 3900x.

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Tier B 160A current draw on little ambient airflow, maxed out 3900X, 3950x at 1.3V on ambient cooling, maxed out 1800X on LN2

Asus: X570 Prime-P

 

Even a B450 tier C is enough though weird to pair it with a 3900x.

Welp, I was wrong about the X570 Prime P than.

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6 hours ago, mariushm said:

Yeah, agree with the above ... don't go for that motherboard on AMD build.

Aorus Elite is very good,  same for TUF Gaming

Is there a particular one you recommend can you provide direct link? There seems to be several variations?

 

Is this the tuf gaming one?

Asus TUF GAMING X570-PLUS ATX AM4 Motherboard

 

Is there a benefit of this over the prime-p listed? Or is just a personal preference?

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6 hours ago, Derrk said:

of these two builds, the ryzen 3900x is better. however, if you want the best cpu for gaming, go with a 9900k.

 

does your current storage include an ssd? because it is a necessity

Yea, it seems the amd is the way to go. It will stand test of time better. I don't see benefit of i9 over i7 though.

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4 minutes ago, United_Chi said:

Yea, it seems the amd is the way to go. It will stand test of time better. I don't see benefit of i9 over i7 though.

the higher single-core speed of the 9900k gives it an edge over the 9700k in most games. It isn't worth the price difference imo, but the 9900k is currently the best gaming cpu on the market. I imagine in the coming years, we'll see a lot more games utilizing multi-core functionality, which could give amd a significant advantage. hard to know for sure.

 

the amd build is the better build overall, but if its solely for gaming, the 9700k just barely beats the 3900x. Like i said, i think the 3900x will have better longevity if games start optimizing for multi-core cpus

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1 hour ago, Plouffe said:

The Prime-P is more than fine though 8f you have doubts the Aorus Elite and Asus TUG are solid choices.

 

As for the CPU the 9700k will beat the 3900x but by a little, even the 3600 or 3700x are solid choices.

So this is what we have decided on? 3600x is around better, even if 9700 has better single core speed. The 3600x has 4 more cores and triple the thread count. It will undoubtably last longer than the 9700 will.

 

As per everyone's recommendation. Changed prime-p to aorus elite below.

 

Still confused on rational though. It did bump it from c tier to b tier it seems.

PCPartPicker Part List
Type Item Price
CPU AMD Ryzen 9 3900X 3.8 GHz 12-Core Processor $499.99 @ Amazon
CPU Cooler Noctua NH-D15 CHROMAX.BLACK 82.52 CFM CPU Cooler $99.95 @ Amazon
Motherboard Gigabyte X570 AORUS ELITE ATX AM4 Motherboard $199.00 @ B&H
Memory Corsair Vengeance LPX 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3600 Memory $74.98 @ Amazon
Video Card NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2080 SUPER 8 GB Video Card $699.99 @ Best Buy
Case Fractal Design Meshify C ATX Mid Tower Case $89.99 @ Walmart
Power Supply Corsair RM (2019) 750 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply $94.99 @ Newegg
Case Fan Fractal Design X2 GP-12 (Black) 52.3 CFM 120 mm Fan $12.99 @ Amazon
  Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts  
  Total (before mail-in rebates) $1786.88
  Mail-in rebates -$15.00
  Total $1771.88
  Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-11-06 02:03 EST-0500  

 

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PCPartPicker Part List
Type Item Price
CPU AMD Ryzen 7 3700X 3.6 GHz 8-Core Processor $327.99 @ Amazon
CPU Cooler be quiet! Dark Rock 4 CPU Cooler $74.90 @ Amazon
Motherboard Gigabyte X570 AORUS ELITE ATX AM4 Motherboard $199.00 @ B&H
Memory Corsair Vengeance LPX 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3600 Memory $74.98 @ Amazon
Video Card Asus GeForce RTX 2080 SUPER 8 GB STRIX GAMING Advanced Video Card $789.99 @ Amazon
Case Fractal Design Meshify C ATX Mid Tower Case $89.99 @ Walmart
Power Supply Corsair RMx (2018) 550 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply $99.99 @ Amazon
Case Fan Fractal Design X2 GP-12 (Black) 52.3 CFM 120 mm Fan $12.99 @ Amazon
  Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts  
  Total $1669.83
  Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-11-06 02:13 EST-0500  

 

That will last several years (as much as the 3900x) with a better GPU, enough wattage for OC (750w is overkill) etc

 

 

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15 hours ago, Plouffe said:
PCPartPicker Part List
Type Item Price
CPU AMD Ryzen 7 3700X 3.6 GHz 8-Core Processor $327.99 @ Amazon
CPU Cooler be quiet! Dark Rock 4 CPU Cooler $74.90 @ Amazon
Motherboard Gigabyte X570 AORUS ELITE ATX AM4 Motherboard $199.00 @ B&H
Memory Corsair Vengeance LPX 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3600 Memory $74.98 @ Amazon
Video Card Asus GeForce RTX 2080 SUPER 8 GB STRIX GAMING Advanced Video Card $789.99 @ Amazon
Case Fractal Design Meshify C ATX Mid Tower Case $89.99 @ Walmart
Power Supply Corsair RMx (2018) 550 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply $99.99 @ Amazon
Case Fan Fractal Design X2 GP-12 (Black) 52.3 CFM 120 mm Fan $12.99 @ Amazon
  Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts  
  Total $1669.83
  Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-11-06 02:13 EST-0500  

 

That will last several years (as much as the 3900x) with a better GPU, enough wattage for OC (750w is overkill) etc

 

 

Is the x570 auros elite compatible with 3600mhz ddr4 ram? I dont see it listed under compatible ram, but its not firing a pcpartpicker compatibility issue?

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3 minutes ago, United_Chi said:

Is the x570 auros elite compatible with 3600mhz ddr4 ram? I dont see it listed under compatible ram, but its not firing a pcpartpicker compatibility issue?

It's compatible up to 4000MHz :)

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On 11/6/2019 at 2:23 AM, Plouffe said:
PCPartPicker Part List
Type Item Price
CPU AMD Ryzen 7 3700X 3.6 GHz 8-Core Processor $327.99 @ Amazon
CPU Cooler be quiet! Dark Rock 4 CPU Cooler $74.90 @ Amazon
Motherboard Gigabyte X570 AORUS ELITE ATX AM4 Motherboard $199.00 @ B&H
Memory Corsair Vengeance LPX 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3600 Memory $74.98 @ Amazon
Video Card Asus GeForce RTX 2080 SUPER 8 GB STRIX GAMING Advanced Video Card $789.99 @ Amazon
Case Fractal Design Meshify C ATX Mid Tower Case $89.99 @ Walmart
Power Supply Corsair RMx (2018) 550 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply $99.99 @ Amazon
Case Fan Fractal Design X2 GP-12 (Black) 52.3 CFM 120 mm Fan $12.99 @ Amazon
  Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts  
  Total $1669.83
  Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-11-06 02:13 EST-0500  

 

That will last several years (as much as the 3900x) with a better GPU, enough wattage for OC (750w is overkill) etc

 

 

I can understand your PSU logic. RMx > RM and if 650 is more than acceptable then why not.

 

I can partly understand your cooler choice. As dark rock is basically identical to noctua and saves you like 10$ why not. I see you chose a single fan model though. Any specific point? Was the dual fan just excessive in your opinion? 

 

I can partly understand your cpu choice. It's like the Intel 9900k vs 9700k choice. The difference would be barely noticeable so for saving money why not? I would think that if it fits in the budget though, why not go with the higher model it would last longer.

 

I don't understand your gpu choice, it's the same speed justg slightly more expensive? Am I missing something?

 

This was an alteration on the Intel version I made: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/BrvRk6

 

This was an alteration on the AMD version I made: 

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/xbh9Gc (3900x)

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/tFZQq3 (3700x)

 

Would these varations align with your options more?

 

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16 minutes ago, United_Chi said:

I can understand your PSU logic. RMx > RM and if 650 is more than acceptable then why not.

You can use a RMx 650w instead but PCP says 414 watt so 550w is plenty enough even for OC. You can get the TXm for a little cheaper too and as good. The Bitfenix Formula Gold and Whisper M are even better for less (though 5 years warranty instead of 10 years).

 

16 minutes ago, United_Chi said:

I can partly understand your cooler choice. As dark rock is basically identical to noctua and saves you like 10$ why not. I see you chose a single fan model though. Any specific point? Was the dual fan just excessive in your opinion? 

Dark Rock Pro 4 or NH D15 are good choices too but a Dark Rock 4 or NH U14S are also enough :)

 

16 minutes ago, United_Chi said:

I can partly understand your cpu choice. It's like the Intel 9900k vs 9700k choice. The difference would be barely noticeable so for saving money why not? I would think that if it fits in the budget though, why not go with the higher model it would last longer.

Yes it is for saving money but if you want to spend more because you want to then you can. The margin is really thin and 3700x is still a 8c/16t !

 

 

 

16 minutes ago, United_Chi said:

I don't understand your gpu choice, it's the same speed justg slightly more expensive? Am I missing something?

The GPU is indeed a bit more expensive but it has a better cooling and PCB (not that Nvidia FE is bad, far from it).

 

16 minutes ago, United_Chi said:

This was an alteration on the Intel version I made: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/BrvRk6

Good option too, it will have more FPS because the 9700k is better than the 3700x for games for now.

Though I would also change the GPU for the one I added in the AMD build (for the reasons I mentioned above).

 

18 minutes ago, United_Chi said:

This was an alteration on the AMD version I made: 

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/xbh9Gc (3900x)

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/tFZQq3 (3700x)

I would also change the GPU.

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30 minutes ago, Plouffe said:

 

Thanks for your replies thus far. It basically boils down to very minor differences, and maybe I'm becoming too fixated.

Quickly back to the main topic: it seems the Taichi is one of the best for intel at the moment, rated A-tier. The x570 Auros Elite is a solid choice for AMD. Both are pretty much comparable to each other in basically every aspect, also rated a-tier.

For multi-core processes, AMD is top dog right now, but my system will be used for purely gaming purposes, so Intel is probably the best choice at this point. As the i7 9700 scored comparable to the r9 3900x from the link you provided, the i7 9700 dollar for dollar is probably the best choice, unless the i9 comes down significantly in the next month and with black Friday / cyber Monday deals.

 

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4 hours ago, Plouffe said:

 

 

Error to what I said for the Intel build. The taichi is not the one listed on a-tier. It is the taichi ultimate which is another 60$ or so. Maybe go with aorus for an additional 20-30$?

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7 hours ago, United_Chi said:

Error to what I said for the Intel build. The taichi is not the one listed on a-tier. It is the taichi ultimate which is another 60$ or so. Maybe go with aorus for an additional 20-30$?

The Aorus Elite/Pro/Ultra are solid choices in both Z390 or X570 chipset :) I own the Ultra (expensive) and I could push my 8700k to 5,2GHz stable (1,325v prime95 24h), currently running at 4,7GHz 1,275v (won the lottery).

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