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Where I am in my career

TheTwist
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So I have been employed as a Junior Systems Administrator for 4 years now (it is my first job in IT) after being fresh out of doing an HND at college. I work for a small company and 4 of us within our department. However 2 got made redundant  recently due to new path the company is going down (not having to do much on-site work).   Anyway I am the only one in my own department who looks after the company IT internally. 

 

-  What stage in my career in IT when i will no longer be classed as a Junior? My contract says i am a junior. I have not had any form of letter saying i am not a junior. Should I approach to HR or my boss and ask?

-  I have never had any training within the company related to my job role, I have either Googled or asked anyone whos in the office and not out on site. But now its only me and my boss who should train me, but he is never in the office. 

   I now get stuck of thinking what things to do without anyone saying that have a problem. 

 

I love being in the company as there are great people there. But if I am a junior and no one is mentoring me should I look for a new company to work for?  If so does anyone know any recruitment agency's in the UK what focus on IT apart from Linkedin?  I know the obvious answer to all this but i want to see what others think. 

  

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7 hours ago, tankyx said:

After 2-3 years you shouldn't be called junior anymore, and you should not consider yourself as one.

Did you get a raise since you got in that position ?

Ah hm ok  so i need to work out a way to talk to someone about my position in the company then. Cause i guess i cant change it myself.

Yeah I got a small raise over a year ago.

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4 years should not be junior in any way shape or form.....

 

What do you personally want? A mere job title change? Or do you seek more like higher compensation and responsibilities associated with the newer title?

Sudo make me a sandwich 

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I honestly wouldn't call someone right out of college a junior anyways. They could come in with 4 years of experience which isn't junior level

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normally promotions are not just given, i know it should be like that.. and some bosses will try to approach employees with development and progression

 

i know that HR here, focuses most on ensuring that the amount of promotions are as low as possible, so promotions are done by employees being aggressive.

 

personally i would sit down with my manager, and have a discussion... state that i have been here for 4 years, doing work, and do not percieve my self as "junior" anymore, and fine if he says that this is where he sees me..

 

then ask him/her, what you need to do to progress.. and get a development plan running, then you can also hold him up to training elements and others.

 

this can be done without risking your job, just don´t use pressure... cause that nearly always ends up with "lack of trust" and is a good way to reach an impass where you have to change job

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10 hours ago, RasmusDC said:

normally promotions are not just given, i know it should be like that.. and some bosses will try to approach employees with development and progression

Many jobs do automatic raise and promotions based on how long you stayed with the company though, especially those that are unionized. 

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In my experience, title changes don't often just drop on your lap with experience. Usually a "senior" position is opened with qualifications such as "4+ years of xyz experience," you apply, interview, etc. then get the title promotion that way. I understand this isn't necessarily the rule, but just my personal 13+ years of industry experience.

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17 hours ago, BuckGup said:

I honestly wouldn't call someone right out of college a junior anyways. They could come in with 4 years of experience which isn't junior level

There may be people that can skip the junior level coming out of college, but the vast majority from my experience could not. Kind of moot though because it's relative to each company and what they define as junior, middle, senior. Titles aren't generally that descriptive of the actual position in IT. Vultr for examples wants a lot of experience and skills for a junior network engineer position that somebody coming out of college would be extremely hard pressed to meet unless they worked full time already in a networking position along with school.

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15 hours ago, wasab said:

Many jobs do automatic raise and promotions based on how long you stayed with the company though, especially those that are unionized. 

It differs, here in Denmark, when it is not "government" based, normally promotions are based on Skill sets, so nothing with "years in companies" since many times, you having been there for 40 years does not in any way make you a more "important" or competent deliverer..

 

it creates the value of people actually being paid for the value that they create, not just for being from the OLD generation, but it also creates the issues of "who" actually gets promoted..

 

at some point actually being visible in the organization is important, and having a career plan, doing your skylines and stuff like that. 

 

some really important specialists, are not extroverted enough to actually focus on this part, and only become visible when they have had ENOUGH. that is a big failure in this sociaty that extroversion is seen as a + and is paid as such and introversion is seen as something that needs treatment..

 

i have yet to seen an extrovert actually develop something, or create elements, since it demands the ability to actually dive into your self, and create, of course you do have people that can step a bit between worlds.

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