intel i9-9900ks, lets talk about it

[AntiHero]

So, this new CPU, the 9900ks, gotta ask, who is the target consumer for this? what kinda gaming rig would need this power, or any rig for that matter? is it worth it? what kinda mobo would you need to stuff this into to make sure if you wanna crank this thing and use its full power? This versus the R9 3900X? Game's nexus gave me a solid break down but id like to hear more opinions tbh.

[WereCatf]

7 minutes ago, AntiHero said:

who is the target consumer for this?

People who don't bother to research much what they're buying, so they're easy to fool and people who don't know how to overclock a regular 9900k and are willing to pay a lot of money for bragging-rights, really.

[AntiHero]

8 minutes ago, WereCatf said:

People who don't bother to research much what they're buying, so they're easy to fool and people who don't know how to overclock a regular 9900k and are willing to pay a lot of money for bragging-rights, really.

So lazy people with to much money, ok, I can deff see that.

[jones177]

24 minutes ago, AntiHero said:

So, this new CPU, the 9900ks, gotta ask, who is the target consumer for this? what kinda gaming rig would need this power, or any rig for that matter? is it worth it? what kinda mobo would you need to stuff this into to make sure if you wanna crank this thing and use its full power? This versus the R9 3900X? Game's nexus gave me a solid break down but id like to hear more opinions tbh.

Me.

 

It is not about being worth it or value just like a sports car and most people think they are silly and impractical as well.

 

Gamers Nexus will say how pointless it is and then make several videos overclocking it just like they did with the i7 8086k.

 

My favorite i9 9900ks video is by Tech Deals.

 

 

15 minutes ago, WereCatf said:

People who don't bother to research much what they're buying, so they're easy to fool and people who don't know how to overclock a regular 9900k and are willing to pay a lot of money for bragging-rights, really.

The difference is heat.

My i7 8086k can run at 5.1ghz at the same temps as my i7 8700k ran at 4.7. If the i9 9900k can do the same it would me worth it to me.

 

I do have an overclocked i9 9900k in the house and in games it is no faster than my i7 8086k so the us no upgrade for me.

If I built a third computer I would get one. 

[1van]

what is the point of telling people how to spend their own money, especially if they haven't asked for an advice?)

Buying Intel CPUs was never about price/performance ratio.

As some of the reviewers confirmed already, 9900KS are better binned than 9900K/KF.

Personally I think that it's not very wise to buy an expensive CPU so close to the new generation announcement, but for those who need these additional 200-300 MHz and have the money to spare - why not?

Just speculating here, but it looks reasonable that since the top-binned 8C/16T chips will now be sold as 9900KS, the quality of 9900K/KF could go down somewhat.

 

It's not like it is that much more expensive than a 9900K. Still going to be less expensive, than a R9 3950X

Edited November 3, 2019 by 1van

[WereCatf]

2 minutes ago, jones177 said:

My i7 8086k can run at 5.1ghz at the same temps as my i7 8700k ran at 4.7. If the i9 9900k can do the same it would me worth it to me.

It won't do the same. The 8086k has a soldered heatsink, 8700k doesn't. That's the primary reason for the temperature-difference.

[jones177]

2 minutes ago, WereCatf said:

It won't do the same. The 8086k has a soldered heatsink, 8700k doesn't. That's the primary reason for the temperature-difference.

Sorry.

The i7 8086k was not soldered.

 

 

[WereCatf]

1 minute ago, jones177 said:

The i7 8086k was not soldered.

Hm, I remembered wrong. My mistake on that.

[jones177]

Just now, WereCatf said:

Hm, I remembered wrong. My mistake on that.

After my i7 8086k experience I will most likely go with these special edition CPUs in the future.

 

The i9 9900k was the easiest CPU I ever overclocked. I got 5ghz on all cores with 1.27v on the first try and a Noctua nh d15 with one fan can keep it as cool as stock. It will be interesting to see what these "special" chips can do.

 

[WereCatf]

2 minutes ago, jones177 said:

It will be interesting to see what these "special" chips can do.

The 9900ks doesn't do anything particularly interesting. You can get the same results with manual overclocking a 9900k. Though, it's faster and easier to just buy the special edition.

 

[AntiHero]

So simply from reading what you all have been saying and the few vids ive watched, difference as of right now between this and other chips of equal standing is mostly thermal. Now, what task(s) could someone preform that would make use of an 8 core 16 logical clocked at 5ghz? What kinda nonsense would someone have to toss at this to really make it feel it? not including benchmarks

[WereCatf]

1 minute ago, AntiHero said:

So simply from reading what you all have been saying and the few vids ive watched, difference as of right now between this and other chips of equal standing is mostly thermal. Now, what task(s) could someone preform that would make use of an 8 core 16 logical clocked at 5ghz? What kinda nonsense would someone have to toss at this to really make it feel it? not including benchmarks

Compiling something really big, like e.g. the Linux-kernel. 3D-rendering and/or modeling, like e.g. my 8700k does often ramp up heavily when I am doing stuff in Fusion 360. Video-editing -- especially with heavy use of filters and effects. Server-stuff. Pretty much any physics-simulation -- depending on what you're doing, that can bring even a supercomputer to its knees. Heavy multitasking -- especially if what you're doing can be spread reasonably evenly across all the cores and benefits from low latency.

 

Could probably come up with more, but this is just off the top of my head.

[1van]

9 minutes ago, jones177 said:

 I got 5ghz on all cores with 1.27v on the first try and a Noctua nh d15 with one fan can keep it as cool as stock.

Cmon, a 9900K 5Ghz all core at AVX2 load will blow D15 with 2 fans out of the water.

7 minutes ago, WereCatf said:

The 9900ks doesn't do anything particularly interesting. You can get the same results with manual overclocking a 9900k. Though, it's faster and easier to just buy the special edition.

The point of the 9900KS, beside combating AMD with something "new" and getting some money fromfanbois, is better quality chips than 9900K/KF.

 

People who buy it usually have custom water cooling, etc.

Let us wait for Der8auer's delid/lapping video to see what these chips will be capable of.

[AntiHero]

1 minute ago, WereCatf said:

Pretty much any physics-simulation

I actually forgot about those till you said something... ive seen em run, the amount of processing power they can eat is equal parts fascinating and frightening.

[WereCatf]

1 minute ago, AntiHero said:

I actually forgot about those till you said something... ive seen em run, the amount of processing power they can eat is equal parts fascinating and frightening.

Most big 3D-modeling and CAD apps do contain quite a bit of physics-simulation functionality in them, including Blender and Fusion 360, as well. In Fusion 360, you can e.g. use physics-simulation to try different kinds of alternatives for a design to find which points deform or completely fail under certain pressure. (No, I haven't yet learned how to use that functionality. It's a tad too much for my skill-level atm.)

[AntiHero]

6 minutes ago, WereCatf said:

Most big 3D-modeling and CAD apps do contain quite a bit of physics-simulation functionality in them, including Blender and Fusion 360, as well. In Fusion 360, you can e.g. use physics-simulation to try different kinds of alternatives for a design to find which points deform or completely fail under certain pressure. (No, I haven't yet learned how to use that functionality. It's a tad too much for my skill-level atm.)

Wish i had more time on my hands to learn how to use something like this, it is, for lack of better words, fucking awesome.

[jones177]

14 minutes ago, 1van said:

Cmon, a 9900K 5Ghz all core at AVX2 load will blow D15 with 2 fans out of the water.

 

I use Prime95 v266 so I did not test for that.

It did not get out of the 60s on Cinebench and I was happy with that.