why the f*** can i not get IOS 13!

[mitchell2380]

Apple is trying to tell me that my Iphone 6 is out of date!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! what the hell

[SavageNeo]

1 minute ago, mitchell2380 said:

Apple is trying to tell me that my Iphone 6 is out of date!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! what the hell

it kinda is.

[Zando_]

Just now, SavageNeo said:

it kinda is.

[lewdicrous]

iPhone 6s onwards are supported, the 'normal' iPhone 6 is not part of that list.

[wasab]

You now have an execuse to get a new phone. Rejoice. 

 

Oh, Get Android. 

[Silentprototipe]

For a logical explanation. There's a simple answer, the 1 GB of RAM. No amount of optimization is gonna get IOS 13 running smooth on that. Its a miracle IOS 12 runs so well on it. Its an old device these days. Ditch it and get something newer 

[Founders]

Be happy they supported it with OS updates as long as they did. Some manufactures are not supporting legacy devices at all. Apple is the only manufacturer to my knowledge that supports their phones for 5+ years with updates.

[Commodus]

17 hours ago, wasab said:

You now have an execuse to get a new phone. Rejoice. 

 

Oh, Get Android. 

So you're telling someone who's annoyed at losing OS updates after five years that he should move to a platform where he'll get two years of OS feature updates at best?

 

If the OP's reaction is anything to go by, he should avoid Android at all costs.

 

 

[Radioactive Snowman]

18 hours ago, wasab said:

You now have an execuse to get a new phone. Rejoice. 

 

Oh, Get Android. 

That is a terrible idea, OP isnt happy with 5 years of updates and you want him to get a phone that only has 2? Where's the logic in that

[Kisai]

22 hours ago, wasab said:

You now have an execuse to get a new phone. Rejoice. 

 

Oh, Get Android. 

pfft, 1year warranty,  18 months no more OS updates, garbaged after 2 years.

 

At least iPhones last (in theory) beyond their warranty, to like 5 years, with the iphone 5S having 5 major version updates.

 

 

Compare to, Samsung, two major OS updates, at most:

 

 

[wasab]

1 minute ago, Kisai said:

pfft, 1year warranty,  18 months no more OS updates, garbaged after 2 years.

 

At least iPhones last (in theory) beyond their warranty, to like 5 years, with the iphone 5S having 5 major version updates.

 

 

Compare to, Samsung, two major OS updates, at most:

 

 

You obviously never flash a custom rom before have you? 

 

When has iPhone ever last beyond their warranty without issues coming up

[Kisai]

Just now, wasab said:

You obviously never flash a custom Ron before have you?

Nobody does that. Then your phone goes from working to paperweight.

[wasab]

3 hours ago, Radioactive Snowman said:

That is a terrible idea, OP isnt happy with 5 years of updates and you want him to get a phone that only has 2? Where's the logic in that

Get a phone that's popular and it will have lineage os roms for years to come. 

[Radioactive Snowman]

2 hours ago, wasab said:

Get a phone that's popular and it will have lineage os roms for years to come. 

The average user most likely isn't going to know or care about custom roms

[wasab]

1 hour ago, Radioactive Snowman said:

The average user most likely isn't going to know or care about custom roms

True but most average users also do not build their own PC but buys prebuilt. However this is a tech forum and so people will point out suggestions that is more DIY than just buy something x from retailer y or just install/update whatever from the OEM. 

[Kisai]

27 minutes ago, wasab said:

True but most average users also do not build their own PC but buys prebuilt. However this is a tech forum and so people will point out suggestions that is more DIY than just buy something x from retailer y or just install/update whatever from the OEM. 

People also do not void their warranty on a whim. People with custom roms get them from their "smart" teenager friends/kids. Oh yes, I was one of those people who flashed custom firmware on WRT54G's. Was it worth it? NOPE.

 

Then there was the "Android SmartTV Unlimited free TV" BS that had a huge amount of manual intervention and was really just an Android shield turned into piracy device. Nothing good ever comes from custom ROM's for these toys.

 

Giving custom firmware devices that do not have official support just means that YOU, the person who gave it to them, have to support them. That's not a time sink that is ever worthwhile. Time is valuable, if you're not willing to support your idea, then withdraw it.

[Commodus]

1 hour ago, wasab said:

True but most average users also do not build their own PC but buys prebuilt. However this is a tech forum and so people will point out suggestions that is more DIY than just buy something x from retailer y or just install/update whatever from the OEM. 

You don't know the OP's skill level, though, and the fact that he was upset at losing iOS updates after five years suggests he's probably not the sort who's about to install LineageOS on his phone.

 

That and "but you can flash unofficial firmware" is really just making excuses for Google's piss-poor support policy.  Yeah, I could replace the wheels on a car if the stock ones are prone to falling off... but I'd rather buy a car where the wheels don't fall off.

[wasab]

29 minutes ago, Commodus said:

That and "but you can flash unofficial firmware" is really just making excuses for Google's piss-poor support policy.  Yeah, I could replace the wheels on a car if the stock ones are prone to falling off... but I'd rather buy a car where the wheels don't fall off.

Since when has there ever been a car whose wheels won't fall off after 5 years warranty period is up? Besides, Google is always on time when releasing security patches and newer Android version, it's the oems responsibility to update the actual devices with these patches. 

 

iOS will slow down and become unusable well before the end of its software support anyways so the whole point it has longer software support is moot when its longevity is much shorter. 

[wasab]

1 hour ago, Kisai said:

People also do not void their warranty on a whim. People with custom roms get them from their "smart" teenager friends/kids. Oh yes, I was one of those people who flashed custom firmware on WRT54G's. Was it worth it? NOPE.

Do you plan to disagree with me just for the sake of disagreeing? 

[Kisai]

45 minutes ago, Commodus said:

You don't know the OP's skill level, though, and the fact that he was upset at losing iOS updates after five years suggests he's probably not the sort who's about to install LineageOS on his phone.

 

That and "but you can flash unofficial firmware" is really just making excuses for Google's piss-poor support policy.  Yeah, I could replace the wheels on a car if the stock ones are prone to falling off... but I'd rather buy a car where the wheels don't fall off.

Until Google, Samsung, LG, etc decide to make their OS updates last for 5 years, I wouldn't ever touch Android, period. That is not discounting the fact that the Android OS is ugly rubbish in the first place, or that they're not worth the sticker price. I would rather hang onto an iPhone for 5 years, because it will at least still work after 5 years. My iPad 3 (which iOS 9.x was discontinued in 2016) still works fine, and games on it still update. However I admit that I stopped using it for what I was previously using it for almost immediately after iOS 9.x was discontinued, because the storage was full and I bought the iPhone 6S so the only thing I do with the iPad still is use it with the 32-bit apps that are still loaded on it.

 

There is no point to anyone installing a third party ROM on their mobile device when the battery likely won't last that long anyway. The batteries in mobile phones are engineered to last a minimum of one year and will likely last most people three years (the office still gives people new iPhone 7's) 

 

What I wish Apple would do is realize the futility of trying to get people to upgrade annually an iPhone or iPad and actually hold back the CPU updates to alternate with the iPad. It's kind of annoying going "I want to replace the iPad, but I already bought an iPhone and this years iPhone has a newer CPU, but this year's iPad has last years iPhone CPU, what is this nonsense?" So as a result as much as I would like to replace the iPad that is seven years old, if I do so right now, it will not outperform the iPhone, so I may as well use the iPhone I have. It's not worth the upgrade only to get the pencil feature.

[Kisai]

4 minutes ago, Kaloob said:

FCA isn't the only game in town. /s

If you wait to install the custom ROM, your warranty will be over anyways. OP could get a OnePlus and benefit from their 3 major upgrades and then flash Lineage.

My point was that if you're going to brick your device, wait till you have a newer device before risking bricking the old one. If it's under warranty don't even think of it. 

 

That's the problem here. When someone installs a third party firmware, they've already tossed their warranty in the trash, and to install it, they likely have to throw away all their device personalization again. Kiddies with more money than sense, or who have parents who let them buy things without even questioning why, are the kinds of people who will spend $2000 on a phone, install a custom rom, promptly brick the device and then have to buy another one.

 

Everyone else is not going to set $2000 on fire just for the sake of sticking it to Google/Samsung/LG/HTC/etc. If you have your heart set on being a Linux zealot, then go buy the Purism phone and leave everyone alone. For everyone else who does not give a care about software politics, iOS is the de-facto winner in the high end Smartphone market, and Android hasn't made a dent into it. Samsung plays a big game about shipping more devices than Apple does, but look at how long those devices last, 18 months and into the dumpster. Apple just on this virtue alone is the more sustainable manufacturer.

[Commodus]

16 hours ago, wasab said:

Since when has there ever been a car whose wheels won't fall off after 5 years warranty period is up? Besides, Google is always on time when releasing security patches and newer Android version, it's the oems responsibility to update the actual devices with these patches. 

 

iOS will slow down and become unusable well before the end of its software support anyways so the whole point it has longer software support is moot when its longevity is much shorter. 

Google has also created a system where OEMs are not only allowed to take half a year to update to major OS versions, but can skip security updates and only install one every three months, even if there's an actively exploited flaw.  I'm sorry, but a good OS update strategy would require vaguely timely feature updates and forcing OEMs to provide all security updates.  Don't settle for mediocrity.

 

Also, it's pretty clear you're trading on outdated stereotypes of iOS and not the reality.  Apple has done a much better job of improving performance on older phones with newer iOS releases.  Hell, my parents' iPhone 6 units were responsive right up until they upgraded to the iPhone 11 this fall.  That's five years of real-world use with devices that performed well.

[Zando_]

11 minutes ago, Commodus said:

Also, it's pretty clear you're trading on outdated stereotypes of iOS and not the reality.  Apple has done a much better job of improving performance on older phones with newer iOS releases.  Hell, my parents' iPhone 6 units were responsive right up until they upgraded to the iPhone 11 this fall.  That's five years of real-world use with devices that performed well.

^^^ Yep. I think iOS 12 is actually slightly snappier than 11 as well, at least it feels so on the old iPhone 6 Plus I still have. Vastly more usable than iOS 9 on a 4S, which is noticeably better than 7 on the poor old 4. 

[wasab]

34 minutes ago, Commodus said:

Google has also created a system where OEMs are not only allowed to take half a year to update to major OS versions, but can skip security updates and only install one every three months, even if there's an actively exploited flaw.  

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.androidcentral.com/project-mainline%3famp

Google can patch core components without the OEM nowadays so this is no longer relevant. 

 

37 minutes ago, Commodus said:

Also, it's pretty clear you're trading on outdated stereotypes of iOS and not the reality.  Apple has done a much better job of improving performance on older phones with newer iOS releases.  Hell, my parents' iPhone 6 units were responsive right up until they upgraded to the iPhone 11 this fall.  That's five years of real-world use with devices that performed well.

Ain't stereotype when i have two generations of iPads which now run like molasses and the fact an iPhone 6 owned by a friend of mine can hardly keep up with a mid range sub $300 Android phone nowadays. 

[Commodus]

1 hour ago, wasab said:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.androidcentral.com/project-mainline%3famp

Google can patch core components without the OEM nowadays so this is no longer relevant.

And Project Treble was supposed to speed the update process, but it didn't, either.  We'll know if Mainline works if Samsung phones start getting significant Android features independent of Samsung's own schedule in 2020, but I'm not holding my breath.

 

1 hour ago, wasab said:

Ain't stereotype when i have two generations of iPads which now run like molasses and the fact an iPhone 6 owned by a friend of mine can hardly keep up with a mid range sub $300 Android phone nowadays. 

Are they using iOS 12?  And have you checked to see if battery throttling was turned on (not that it's great, but it's important to check)?  'Cause I've used my parents' old phones multiple times over the past year, and for common uses they were just fine.  For that matter, my two-year-old iPad Pro is as speedy as ever.