Need new 750W-850W PSU, whine coil and ticking bomb.

[Autumnides]

So I upgraded to a new build a couple weeks ago after having run for 10 years on a i7 920 and 5850. The only old part that I reused was the Antec New Truepower 750W however I'm getting really bad whine coil from the GPU with it.

 

That and my monitor sometimes gets no signal after waking from sleep mode and have had a couple crash. And also some buzzing when moving the mouse around.

 

I decided to switch to a backup Konig 450W when everything was suddenly lagging a bit and the GPU keeps hitting 40% even though nothing was running (Already scanned with antivirus and the problem went away after the switch, no idea if it's PSU related but I didn't want to take any risk of a failing psu with my new build). The GPU whine coil got a bit better it's but still loud when playing in full screen, running in lower resolution and enabling g-sync helped so that it's less annoying. 

 

Anyway if you have managed to tread through my rambling, I need help choosing a new 750-850W PSU. The Konig PSU feels like a ticking bomb waiting to explode any moment, I have used a watt reader on it and when running Unigine Superposition at 1080p medium the system draw was around 380W so a bit close for my comfort. 

 

Here's my current system, I know a 850W would be overkill but I'd like to have some room for growth in case I upgrade to a 3900X or 3950X in a few years to belatedly join the medium internet dick swinging contest. 

 

Ryzen 3600

B450 Tomahawk Max

Crucial Ballistix Sport LT 3200 MHz 32GB

GTX 1080

Crucial MX500 1TB

5~9 HDD

Fractal Define R6

 

Acer XB271HU 

 

 

I live in Finland, to check for PSU price here: https://hinta.fi/g14/virtalahteet

 

Edit: Forgot to add I'd like to keep it around 150~ euro.

 

 

[Spotty]

13 minutes ago, Autumnides said:

I decided to switch to a backup Konig 450W when everything was suddenly lagging a bit and the GPU keeps hitting 40% even though nothing was running (Already scanned with antivirus and the problem went away after the switch, no idea if it's PSU related but I didn't want to take any risk of a failing psu with my new build). The GPU whine coil got a bit better it's but still loud when playing in full screen, running in lower resolution and enabling g-sync helped so that it's less annoying. 

You should stop using the Konig PSU immediately.

 

Besides a lot of warning signs that it is complete and utter junk, it is only rated to deliver 19A 12V rail (228W). You will be exceeding that rating with your Ryzen 3600 + GTX1080.

 

23 minutes ago, Autumnides said:

So I upgraded to a new build a couple weeks ago after having run for 10 years on a i7 920 and 5850. The only old part that I reused was the Antec New Truepower 750W however I'm getting really bad whine coil from the GPU with it.

Coil whine is harmless, it's just an annoying noise. Does not hurt your components. Despite being a decade old your Antec True Power power supply is much better than the Konig. Put the Antec unit back in until you buy a new PSU... Which should be ASAP.

 

21 minutes ago, Autumnides said:

Anyway if you have managed to tread through my rambling, I need help choosing a new 750-850W PSU. The Konig PSU feels like a ticking bomb waiting to explode any moment, I have used a watt reader on it and when running Unigine Superposition at 1080p medium the system draw was around 380W so a bit close for my comfort. 

The only reason that it's showing 380W draw from the wall is because your power supply is I'm guessing (there's no 80+ certification for it so I can't know for sure) that it is incredibly inefficient, also coupled with the fact you're running it beyond its rating which will cause it to run less efficiently, and will also causing it to heat up again reducing efficiency. It's probably taking in 380W from the wall, wasting 100W+ as heat due to inefficiency, and then providing 280W or less to the actual system.

 

You do not need a 750-850W power supply for your system with a Ryzen 3600 + GTX1080. Your current system power consumption will probably be around 300W during heavy gaming. What you need is a good quality power supply, not something that is 10 years old and not something that is complete junk.

 

32 minutes ago, Autumnides said:

I live in Finland, to check for PSU price here: https://hinta.fi/g14/virtalahteet

These will be fine for your current system...

 

https://hinta.fi/1155805/corsair-cx550

https://hinta.fi/1786029/cooler-master-mwe-gold-550

https://hinta.fi/1408952/bitfenix-formula-gold-450-m

https://hinta.fi/1570618/be-quiet-pure-power-11-500w

https://hinta.fi/1154243/corsair-tx550m

 

If you're actually planning on upgrading to the Ryzen 9 3950X when it is released (not in "a few years time"), then go with a 650W unit like the Bitfenix Whisper or Corsair RMx. Buy your PSU for your current needs, not what you "might" upgrade to in 5 years time.

[Autumnides]

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Coil whine is harmless, it's just an annoying noise. Does not hurt your components. Despite being a decade old your Antec True Power power supply is much better than the Konig. Put the Antec unit back in until you buy a new PSU... Which should be ASAP.

 

It's 10 years old and I have had some issues when using it with the new build (a couple crash, monitor disconnected and reconnecting sometimes, and buzzing sound when moving my mouse)

 

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The only reason that it's showing 380W draw from the wall is because your power supply is I'm guessing (there's no 80+ certification for it so I can't know for sure) that it is incredibly inefficient, also coupled with the fact you're running it beyond its rating which will cause it to run less efficiently, and will also causing it to heat up again reducing efficiency. It's probably taking in 380W from the wall, wasting 100W+ as heat due to inefficiency, and then providing 280W or less to the actual system.

Under normal use it's around 82-84 watt with chrome and some programs running in background. What is the normal draw for running benchmark?

 

6 minutes ago, Spotty said:

 

 

You do not need a 750-850W power supply for your system with a Ryzen 3600 + GTX1080. Your current system power consumption will probably be around 300W during heavy gaming. What you need is a good quality power supply, not something that is 10 years old and not something that is complete junk.

 

These will be fine for your current system...

 

https://hinta.fi/1155805/corsair-cx550

https://hinta.fi/1786029/cooler-master-mwe-gold-550

https://hinta.fi/1408952/bitfenix-formula-gold-450-m

https://hinta.fi/1570618/be-quiet-pure-power-11-500w

https://hinta.fi/1154243/corsair-tx550m

 

If you're actually planning on upgrading to the Ryzen 9 3950X when it is released (not in "a few years time"), then go with a 650W unit like the Bitfenix Whisper or Corsair RMx. Buy your PSU for your current needs, not what you "might" upgrade to in 5 years time.

This new system was only meant to be temporary for 2-3 year, since the new consoles are coming out soon and the Ryzen 3000 having trouble of hitting the speed at the time I decided to build the 3600 to tide over these few years. So no "might" here. And I just don't understand what's the point in buying a PSU as close as possible to your whole system draw, I'd rather just have more headroom. And did you take into consideration for the 5-9 hdd with your recommendation there?  

 

 

[Ravendarat]

https://hinta.fi/977288/corsair-rm750x

Thats what I would go with, it will give you PLENTY of headroom and is well under the 150 mark, 80+ Gold and modular and reliable. 

[Spotty]

4 minutes ago, Autumnides said:

Under normal use it's around 82-84 watt with chrome and some programs running in background. What is the normal draw for running benchmark?

Depends on the system, but for a Ryzen 3600 + GTX 1080 I would expect around 250-300W.

 

This is the total system power consumption of a GTX1080 with an overclocked i7 4960X HEDT CPU. Your system with a Ryzen 5 3600 CPU will be less.

^{https://www.anandtech.com/show/11180/the-nvidia-geforce-gtx-1080-ti-review/16}

 

21 minutes ago, Autumnides said:

This new system was only meant to be temporary for 2-3 year, since the new consoles are coming out soon and the Ryzen 3000 having trouble of hitting the speed at the time I decided to build the 3600 to tide over these few years. So no "might" here.

2-3 years isn't a "temporary" solution when it comes to CPUs. A temporary solution would be going with a Ryzen 5 3600 waiting until the 3950X is released in a few weeks/months and selling the 3600 second hand while it's still 'new' to recoup most of the loss on that CPU. In 3 years time there will be better CPUs to buy, new motherboards, DDR5 memory... To put it in perspective, this time 3 years ago AMD was still on FX series CPUs & DDR3 memory and Ryzen hadn't been announced.

 

Don't waste money now trying to future proof your system for what you might buy in 3 years time. And yes, it is "might" here because who knows what you will do in 3 years time. Maybe you'll be dead. Maybe you'll be broke and can't afford upgrading your PC. Maybe you'll be married with kids and won't have much spare time to spend on the PC and won't care about upgrading it. Maybe you'll have lots of disposable income and you'll want to buy an entirely new high end system. Maybe you won't need a high end CPU and you'll be happy with the Ryzen 3600. Who knows?

 

1 minute ago, Autumnides said:

And I just don't understand what's the point in buying a PSU as close as possible to your whole system draw, I'd rather just have more headroom. And did you take into consideration for the 5-9 hdd with your recommendation there? 

Buying one "as close as possible" to your systems power draw would be a 300W or 350W power supply. The ones I recommended were 450-550W which still give you plenty of 'headroom'. Buying a power supply with a wattage much higher than you need won't provide any real benefits, but it will cost more. You're essentially just wasting money buying a 850W power supply for a system that uses less than half of that.

No, I didn't take the "5-9 HDDs" in to consideration. Do you have 5 hard drives or do you have 9 hard drives?

Check how many SATA connectors the power supplies have before making your decision. Most PSUs don't have 9+ SATA power connectors since most people aren't using 9 HDDs. What capacity drives are you using? If you need 9 drives you're either using the wrong capacity drives or you should probably invest in a dedicated NAS.

 

45 minutes ago, Autumnides said:

It's 10 years old and I have had some issues when using it with the new build (a couple crash, monitor disconnected and reconnecting sometimes, and buzzing sound when moving my mouse)

Don't use either then. Shut down the system and remove the power supply. Don't turn it back on until you replace it with a new unit.

[Ravendarat]

47 minutes ago, Spotty said:

A temporary solution would be going with a Ryzen 5 3600 waiting until the 3950X is released in a few weeks/months and selling the 3600 second hand while it's still 'new' to recoup most of the loss on that CPU.

This is EXACTLY what Im doing, bought a 3600 on launch because I sold my 2700x while the market was still kinda high on them knowing full well it was temp until the 3950 comes out, just waiting to compare benchmarks on the 3950 compared to the 3900