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Shadowjack

Replacing my 6 year old system with something that (hopefully) will do me for another 5 or 6 years

Still deciding between Ryzen 7 3700 X or i7 9700k

Either way will likely go with the Gigabyte Arous ultra - X570 or Z390

 

Question is - Which GPU will be the most viable for 5 or 6 years?

AMD options :

PowerColor Red Devil RX 5700 XT
Sapphire Nitro+ RX 5700 XT

Nvidia Options: (2070 super will push me a bit over my $2000 budget but is doable)
Gigabyte RTX 2070 Super GAMING OC
OR ? (open to suggestions up to $600 limit)

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MSI gaming trio X for the 2070S, not sure on pricing. 
 

powercolour Red Devil for 5700 XT

 

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If you can, pay more for the 2070S, if you cant drop back down to the 5700XT? 2070S is faster and has better video encoder so definitely worth its price, problem is whether you can pay for it.

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Just now, Stormseeker9 said:

MSI gaming trio X for the 2070S, not sure on pricing. 

That cards is almost 600$, don't get it. It's 20% more expensive but not even 5% better.

 

 

OP: the super gaming OC with the triple fan (should be around 500-510$) is good, as is the EVGA XC Gaming (the 2.75 slot one)

as for the RX 5700XT, the Nitro+, Pulse, Red Devil, Red dragon are all good cards. I'd go with the 2070S over the 5700XT due to the fact that you do get a feature (RTX is a feature, albeit a pretty useless one) and CUDA which is helpful in a lot of software.
The 3700X is better value than the 9700k. I'd get a X570 Aorus Pro instead of the Ultra, and use the money saved to get a nice air cooler like the Scythe Fuma 2 that came out recently.

 

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RTX2070Su is better IMHO. More power efficient, undervolted can even gain 2% performance to stock, while keeping the power round 185watts.

 

RX5700XT cards consume more power, provide less performance, and usually generate more heat. I think, 2070Su worth it, if you have the budget for them.

Life is really challenging. I don't always suceed: )

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I have the evga 2070 super xc gaming (2 slot, 270mm) card. I would definitely recommend you get either a 2.5 slot card or a >300mm triple fan card since the 2070s runs hot. 

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The Red Devil is quite amazing card, super well build, feels solid to the touch, metal should and the cooler fantastic thermals and noise balance, can't hear a thing also the RGB implementation is pretty good if you are into RGB.

 

Where the Gigabyte might not have as good balance, sometimes when you get a few more % performance you might lack some of the quality when going on a cheaper 2070 S.

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Thank you all for the great replies. I should have mentioned that gaming is the primary use for this build.

I get that the RX5700 XT is a better value, more bang for the buck. With an eye toward longevity the RTX 2070super seems a better  (and more expensive) bet. Given that i want a system to last i am very heat/power conscious so things like VRM, quality PCB and airflow ( no liquid inside my case EVER) weight heavy in my choices.  A good CPU cooler is in the budget. Noctua NH-U14S is under consideration but i will look at the  Scythe Fuma 2. Thank you Firewrath9 for that.

I am leaning heavy toward the 2070 super but open to a compelling reason (other than cost) for going RX 5700 XT. At this point i haven't looked as close at the green team GPU's as i have the red team so I will look at EVGA XC Gaming. There was something about the MSI 2070s gaming trio X that i didnt like. I dont recall exactly what it was right now. Cooling related maybe?

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26 minutes ago, SliceT said:

The Red Devil is quite amazing card, super well build, feels solid to the touch, metal should and the cooler fantastic thermals and noise balance, can't hear a thing also the RGB implementation is pretty good if you are into RGB.

 

Where the Gigabyte might not have as good balance, sometimes when you get a few more % performance you might lack some of the quality when going on a cheaper 2070 S.

Good point. While the top end RX 5700 XT is within my budget, the top end RTX 2070 s is not.

I really do like the Red Devil. Considering my goals for this build would a low to mid level 2070 S serve me better in the long run?

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2 hours ago, Shadowjack said:

Replacing my 6 year old system with something that (hopefully) will do me for another 5 or 6 years

Still deciding between Ryzen 7 3700 X or i7 9700k

Either way will likely go with the Gigabyte Arous ultra - X570 or Z390

 

Question is - Which GPU will be the most viable for 5 or 6 years?

AMD options :

PowerColor Red Devil RX 5700 XT
Sapphire Nitro+ RX 5700 XT

Nvidia Options: (2070 super will push me a bit over my $2000 budget but is doable)
Gigabyte RTX 2070 Super GAMING OC
OR ? (open to suggestions up to $600 limit)

well that would be the obvious choice. nvidia 2070 super. more horse power than the 5700xt so more "future proof". 
although.. with graphics as they go. i wouldnt give it 6 years. also, get the ryzen cpu. yeah it isnt as good performer in fps. BUUUT... 

less power hungry
more threads (8 vs 16)
more cache
better memory support. 
all in all. waaay better. just wouldnt get you more fps than the 9700k would :)
 

 

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42 minutes ago, Shadowjack said:

Good point. While the top end RX 5700 XT is within my budget, the top end RTX 2070 s is not.

I really do like the Red Devil. Considering my goals for this build would a low to mid level 2070 S serve me better in the long run?

a gigabyte gaming oc 8gb white or none white version would also not be bad :) isnt the greatest but its a good card. i recommended it to one of my friends and he got it. no issues for him. but then again he upgraded from a 970 to a 2070 super lol. 

also, the 2070 super series does not actually run hot. his gpu just has some other issues i disgussed in his post. 

The 2070 super gaming x trio is one of the best cards. VERY silent even under load and extremely cool. the only thing thats kinda a slight bit hotter is the vram. But its a biiig card. 

Defenitly worth it though if you can afford it. Just make sure your psu can handle all the new stuff :)

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23 minutes ago, hollyh88 said:

well that would be the obvious choice. nvidia 2070 super. more horse power than the 5700xt so more "future proof". 
although.. with graphics as they go. i wouldnt give it 6 years. also, get the ryzen cpu. yeah it isnt as good performer in fps. BUUUT... 

less power hungry
more threads (8 vs 16)
more cache
better memory support. 
all in all. waaay better. just wouldnt get you more fps than the 9700k would :)
 

 

24 minutes ago, hollyh88 said:

a gigabyte gaming oc 8gb white or none white version would also not be bad :) isnt the greatest but its a good card. i recommended it to one of my friends and he got it. no issues for him. but then again he upgraded from a 970 to a 2070 super lol. 

also, the 2070 super series does not actually run hot. his gpu just has some other issues i disgussed in his post. 

The 2070 super gaming x trio is one of the best cards. VERY silent even under load and extremely cool. the only thing thats kinda a slight bit hotter is the vram. But its a biiig card. 

Defenitly worth it though if you can afford it. Just make sure your psu can handle all the new stuff :)

 Thanks for the input. I am really on the fence with the CPU. It may come down to if  i find one or the other (along with the mobo) at a smokin good price with the holiday sales soon to start. 

 

The GPU i lean heavy to to 2070 super I just have not been able to find the detailed breakdowns on them like i have with the AMD cards.  I have this $600 mental barrier for a GPU but if the right deal comes around i could jump that up to $750 perhaps 800. The Gigabyte card does look good at the price point but its more of a holder till i find something that really grabs me ... within budget of course. HaHa

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8 hours ago, Sorenson said:

I have the evga 2070 super xc gaming (2 slot, 270mm) card. I would definitely recommend you get either a 2.5 slot card or a >300mm triple fan card since the 2070s runs hot. 

Have you tried undervolting ? 10% drop in voltage without drop in frequencies?

Life is really challenging. I don't always suceed: )

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6 hours ago, hollyh88 said:

all in all. waaay better. just wouldnt get you more fps than the 9700k would :)

! Plus you don't need an expensive Mobo for 3700x, an MSI B450 Tomahawk MAX, Gaming Plus MAX will be perfectly suitable (or Mortar MAX if mATX). And these are cheap, compared to Z390 mobos. And a ~40-45USD air cooler will handle 3700x with PBO on fine.

Life is really challenging. I don't always suceed: )

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1 hour ago, Vejnemojnen said:

Have you tried undervolting ? 10% drop in voltage without drop in frequencies?

his issue is something i adressed on his own post ;)

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7 hours ago, Shadowjack said:

 

 Thanks for the input. I am really on the fence with the CPU. It may come down to if  i find one or the other (along with the mobo) at a smokin good price with the holiday sales soon to start. 

 

The GPU i lean heavy to to 2070 super I just have not been able to find the detailed breakdowns on them like i have with the AMD cards.  I have this $600 mental barrier for a GPU but if the right deal comes around i could jump that up to $750 perhaps 800. The Gigabyte card does look good at the price point but its more of a holder till i find something that really grabs me ... within budget of course. HaHa

best 2070 supers so far are
msi gaming x trio
msi gaming x
gigabyte gaming oc 8gb/white
EVGA GeForce RTX 2070 Super FTW3 Ultra
 Asus ROG Strix GeForce RTX 2070 Super 8GB Gaming
Palit GeForce RTX 2070 Super JS/GR

you should go for a 2070 super. it is better so it will last longer.
And it can oc better than the 5700xt

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MSI B450 gaming pro carbon ac              (motherboard)      |    (Gpu)             ASRock Radeon RX 6950 XT Phantom Gaming D 16G

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9 hours ago, Vejnemojnen said:

Have you tried undervolting ? 10% drop in voltage without drop in frequencies?

I have mine undervolted, but when you look at 2070 super reviews most of the dual slot ones run in the high 70s under load leaving little thermal headroom if you want to overclock. Hexus has my card running at 77c even on an open test bench. Luckily, I can run my card at .9v at 1910mhz so the thermals are semi-manageable. 

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6 years is a major ask.

 

Just get the 2070S and an 8C/16T CPU.

 

Don't get anything less.

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On 10/27/2019 at 4:55 PM, Firewrath9 said:

. It's 20% more expensive but not even 5% better.

Better here is subjective...

 

While it might not push a whole lot more fps even when overclocked you do get lower temps and lower operation noise.

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9 hours ago, hollyh88 said:

best 2070 supers so far are
msi gaming x trio
msi gaming x
gigabyte gaming oc 8gb/white
EVGA GeForce RTX 2070 Super FTW3 Ultra
 Asus ROG Strix GeForce RTX 2070 Super 8GB Gaming
Palit GeForce RTX 2070 Super JS/GR

you should go for a 2070 super. it is better so it will last longer.
And it can oc better than the 5700xt

Thank you, I will take a look at all them as time allows. I want to narrow down to 2 possibilities  and then see what kind of deals pop up in November. 

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2 minutes ago, Shadowjack said:

Thank you, I will take a look at all them as time allows. I want to narrow down to 2 possibilities  and then see what kind of deals pop up in November. 

i just bought the gigabyte 2070 super gaming oc 3x 8g
since it was a bit cheaper right now. 

i get it tomorrow can tell you then a bit about my performance :)
dont exactly know the difference between it and the regular 8g i believe reference power delivery vs 1 more. so 7+2 and 8+2 but both are fine :) 

 

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1 hour ago, Jon Jon said:

6 years is a major ask.

 

Just get the 2070S and an 8C/16T CPU.

 

Don't get anything less.

Yes it is. My current rig will be 6 years old this spring. Until recently is has been "acceptable". The only upgrade made was adding a 1tb SSD.  With the tech changing faster and faster and if the games keep pace then it will be a major ask for sure. 

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21 minutes ago, Shadowjack said:

Yes it is. My current rig will be 6 years old this spring. Until recently is has been "acceptable". The only upgrade made was adding a 1tb SSD.  With the tech changing faster and faster and if the games keep pace then it will be a major ask for sure. 

With that said, X570 and Ryzen 3000 is the way to go.

 

X570 is the most future proof platform on the market, thanks to supporting much faster storage and the new PCI-E spec.

 

In all of my years doing this stuff, I'd say having that stuff is probably more important than everything else.

 

With Socket AM4, you can go up to Zen 3 without much issue. RAM and Storage are easier to upgrade. Video cards will be upgraded.

 

Changing your entire platform because you want faster storage and video cards a few years from now potentially being limited by PCI-E 3.0? That's a heavier lift.

 

People here may argue that we are a long time away from needing PCI-E 4.0 for graphics, but I think if we make any major advancements in ray tracing compute, we will hit that wall sooner rather than later.

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ASUS STRIX Radeon RX 5700XT

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Samsung 960 EVO 500GB NVME

2x4TB Seagate Barracuda HDDs

Corsair RM850X

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Logitech G903 Mouse

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2 hours ago, Jon Jon said:

With that said, X570 and Ryzen 3000 is the way to go.

 

X570 is the most future proof platform on the market, thanks to supporting much faster storage and the new PCI-E spec.

 

In all of my years doing this stuff, I'd say having that stuff is probably more important than everything else.

 

With Socket AM4, you can go up to Zen 3 without much issue. RAM and Storage are easier to upgrade. Video cards will be upgraded.

 

Changing your entire platform because you want faster storage and video cards a few years from now potentially being limited by PCI-E 3.0? That's a heavier lift.

 

People here may argue that we are a long time away from needing PCI-E 4.0 for graphics, but I think if we make any major advancements in ray tracing compute, we will hit that wall sooner rather than later.

That is pretty much what I am thinking and is the best reason I have to go Ryzen. Question is will pcie4 be relevant with 5 due out next year and 6 in 2021? Obviously 5 and 6 will be faster, 4 is faster than 3. Right now 4 is meh. Ive looked at the Nvme 4 drives and so far the theory doesnt translate into a real world difference. Plus they run hotter. 

 

What I don't get is why pcie 4 (RX 5700 xt on the x570 platform) doesnt have any real impact on game performance? Is it just another example of games lagging behind the tech? If games do catch up will the RX 5700 xt performance increase significantly?  

 

I just skimmed through this comparison of pcie 2,3,4
https://www.techpowerup.com/review/pci-express-4-0-performance-scaling-radeon-rx-5700-xt/

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2 hours ago, Shadowjack said:

What I don't get is why pcie 4 (RX 5700 xt on the x570 platform) doesnt have any real impact on game performance? Is it just another example of games lagging behind the tech?

No, it's just that no GPU is even close to capable of saturating a PCIe 3.0 x16 connection, and that's comparable to PCIe 4.0 x8. The 2080TI is only losing about 3% of its performance downgrading all the way to PCIe 3.0 x8, so you can see how far ahead the connection protocol is from real-world usefulness apart from storage.

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