[EOL] PSU Tier List rev. 14.8

[Juular]

54 minutes ago, Silverscale said:

I recently got an Antec Earthwatts Gold Pro 750W, and I saw in the list that there are two versions, the standard (tier A), and the Chinese (tier D). Is there a way to tell which one I got?

'Dongguan Seasonic Electronic co, ltd' in the lower right corner. But there are some other differences in external design and also in the warranty length (FSP version has 2\3 years warranty).

[Silverscale]

1 hour ago, Juular said:

'Dongguan Seasonic Electronic co, ltd' in the lower right corner. But there are some other differences in external design and also in the warranty length (FSP version has 2\3 years warranty).

So I got the chinese one. Good that I checked before installing it, I'll return it and get something else.
Thank you!

Edit: Wait, I'm not sure I understood correctly. Seasonic means it's the good one, and it would say FSP otherwise?

Edited December 27, 2020 by Silverscale

[MrBrightSyde]

18 minutes ago, Silverscale said:

So I got the chinese one. Good that I checked before installing it, I'll return it and get something else.
Thank you!

No...you got the actual Tier A PSU. Look at the manufacturer one more time, particularly the second word. It's a Seasonic, while FSP (the chinese Tier D) is Shenzhen Huili Electronics Co., Ltd,

 

Another way is to look at the +12V. If it's close to the wattage advertised, it's the Tier A version. (744w for 750w model) while the Tier D version is 600w for the 650w model (couldn't find a pic of the 750w chinese version)

 

 

Edit: here's a pic of the FSP version

 

[Silverscale]

Ohhhh, got it. Thank you very much!

[Guest]

On 12/18/2020 at 12:19 AM, Sapphiree said:

Based on price i would go for Strix, based on quality both are very good in terms of used electronics, both are silent, from what i know white RMx is still based on V1 version of RM platform released in 2015, Strix was released in mid 2019 so there will be no problems with Seasonic platform made prior 2018 which was causing problems with some cards if you happen to buy an early model produced. New revisions should be now based on seasonic newest GX platform.

I'm not sure I understand your logic.

 

Why would the fact that the PSU was designed in 2015 have anything to do with compatibility with newer graphics cards?

 

No version, old or new, of the RMx has ever had issues with the new Ampere cards.  

 

[Guest]

18 hours ago, siggames said:

Red Dragon 500 watts/600 watts 80 plus bronze, what psu tier list is it?

 

18 hours ago, siggames said:

Gamemax VP 500/600/700 watts 80 plus bronze which is the psu tier list with eco mode button?

 

18 hours ago, siggames said:

Seasonic S12II or Red Dragon RPS-GC 500 watts 80 plus bronze and Gamemax VP 500/600/700 watts 80 plus bronze 3 years warranty for GTX 1660 Super MSI Ventus OC 192 bits 6GB GDDR6?

 

The reddragon  has japanese capacitors, it has ovp, uvp, scp, otp and ocp protections, and fixed cables. It is not modular. I have seen in red dragon web page and gamemax brand web page.

 

The Seasonic is outdate desing and old group regulated, with desactive c-states in intel in bios, 4ta generation haswell or superior, in amd raven ridge how desactivate this states? I have ASUS Prime A320M-K AM4 Motherboard Bios Version 4023

 

18 hours ago, siggames said:

My PC is AMD Athlon 200ge, Asus Prime A320M-K AM4, 8GB DDR4 2400 Mhz, Generic Case, Nvidia GTX 1050 TI ROG Strix ASUS 4GB GDDR5 128 bits, 1TB WD Caviar Blue 7200 RPM, Windows 10 Home 64 bits with disabled update because use a pirate Windows 10 with kms pico, my psu is Seasonic S12II 520 watts 80 plus bronze, i havent ticking noise for now. i have other seasonic has ticking noise with the same graphics card, the noise is for one week, then i haven heard the psu, my pc was 0 any problems only the noise, i wish buy a red dragon psu o gamemax for my rig, other psu are gigabyte pb550b with 3 years warranty, i sell my two seasonic for ml, i never find in argentina good psu since this year because for covid 19, i have buy a economic options, i never had buy a expensive psu, my rig are needed 300 watts or 350 watts no more. 

 

I see this psu tier list in my country of psu tier by other user in reddit:

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1pshWG7xXr_FtQvPlAxyj9Ppw8KuN7Gov/view

It is in spanish, Esta en español, si alguien habla español fijese, si esta correcto y actualizen la lista que faltan fuentes de poder, faltan las gigabyte pb450b,pb550b con tres años de garantia, las red dragon y la gamemax vp que son economicas en mi pais, las otra fuentes no hay, ya no se consiguen corsair cx etiquete gris, yo tuve una cx550m pero ya la vendi,

 

18 hours ago, siggames said:

My other rig is AMD Ryzen 3 3100, Mother Asus Prime A320M-K, 16GB DDR4 2400 Mhz Kingston Value Dual Channel, 2 TB WD Caviar Blue 7200 RPM, Cooler Master CM 590 III Black Case, Cooler AMD Stock, Nvidia GTX 1660 Super MSI Ventus OC XS 6GB DDR6 192 bits, Red Dragon RPGS-GC 600 watts 80 plus bronze, Eastern Electric Company is the oem of psu, Windows 10 Home 64 bits.

 

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[monx101]

how did you come up with the tiers? Any tests to back-up the tier system? like the inwin cs-700w, as far as i research its just a rebranded silverstone sx700g but in they are in different tiers.

[Gaires]

2 hours ago, monx101 said:

how did you come up with the tiers? Any tests to back-up the tier system? like the inwin cs-700w, as far as i research its just a rebranded silverstone sx700g but in they are in different tiers.

See spreadsheet for changelog, methodology, detailed description of colors, sources, notes on grayed-out units including issues like GPU incompatibility or quality and performance issues, and other additional info.

 

That is basically the first sentence in the op.

[artmaroof90]

IS Cougar GEX 850 watt good for my built

 

Ryzen 9 5950x, RTX 3080, 32gb 16x2 3200 ram, pcie gen 4 ssd, 2tb sata ssd. with AIO cooler

[Hairless Monkey Boy]

1 minute ago, artmaroof90 said:

IS Cougar GEX 850 watt good for my built

 

Ryzen 9 5950x, RTX 3080, 32gb 16x2 3200 ram, pcie gen 4 ssd, 2tb sata ssd. with AIO cooler

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For help choosing a power supply please Create a New Thread asking for assistance including your budget and system hardware to receive the best answers relevant to your specific needs.

 

[gardotd426]

I bought the Enermax Revolution D.F. 850W for my 3090+3800X (now 5800X) system a few months ago after seeing it in the A tier (and gold) and 3 months later I couldn't be happier. I was worried because of the HORRIBLE PSU shortage that was going on at the time (and still is, I guess), so I figured no way would I find such a good unit, but yeah I checked here, saw it was a Gold A-tier, and pulled the trigger. Definitely glad I did. I was worried about power spikes tripping the overcurrent/overvoltage protection, but I've been solid this whole time (and I bought the 3090 at Micro Center on launch day so I've had it since Sept 24, and I've had the 5800X for like 3 weeks). 

[InsertCookiesHere]

Is this the Segotep unit in the list?

https://www.amazon.com/Segotep-Gaming-Supply-Certified-Non-Modular/dp/B08D3Q2YZ7

 

It feels like it's too cheap to be the same unit, so I want to verify before buying it.

 

[Mark Kaine]

where would the Seasonic SSR-750FA  be placed? 

 

I just ordered this for a 3070 and I have the feeling I made a mistake , and that's besides the fact Seasonic didn't make it clear this psu needs additional clearance in the back... 

[MrBrightSyde]

17 minutes ago, Mark Kaine said:

where would the Seasonic SSR-750FA  be placed? 

 

I just ordered this for a 3070 and I have the feeling I made a mistake , and that's besides the fact Seasonic didn't make it clear this psu needs additional clearance in the back... 

Isn't that the Seasonic Connect, with the partially routed cables or something? That's Tier A, listed as "Connect". Seems to be a modified Focus.

[Ankerson]

2 hours ago, MrBrightSyde said:

Isn't that the Seasonic Connect, with the partially routed cables or something? That's Tier A, listed as "Connect". Seems to be a modified Focus.

 

It's a Seasonic Prime.

[Gamuniter]

@juular hi, 

Is NZXT E Series same with Seasonic Focus Plus? But NZXT E is in Tier A and Focus Plus is in Low Priority, why?

http://www.jonnyguru.com/blog/2018/08/27/nzxt-e850-850w-power-supply/6/

https://www.jonnyguru.com/blog/2018/09/24/nzxt-e500-500w-power-supply/5/

 

Even Seasonic's crash/shutdown issue is fixed, why this unit is low priority?

 

 

[Shlouski]

On 10/23/2019 at 7:15 PM, LukeSavenije said:

NOX | All units

 

Living in Spain I have used and come across many NOX PSU's, and they have all been rock solid, I have retired many units that are 10-15 years old, and not one has ever given me an issue, it is possible that their quality has decreased over time, and that their new PSU's aren't as good as they were.

 

All Nox units are in Tier E • Potentially dangerous in multiple scenarios, Tier E - heavily malfunctioning protections or widespread QC issues, but in PSU tier list sources & info page of the spreadsheet many of their PSU's get good reviews????????

 

Can someone tell me how all Nox PSU's are potentially dangerous, I especially would like to know. Wow the flash really highlights the dust, I swear it doesn't look as bad as that IRL.

 

[Juular]

On 12/28/2020 at 8:04 AM, monx101 said:

how did you come up with the tiers? Any tests to back-up the tier system? like the inwin cs-700w, as far as i research its just a rebranded silverstone sx700g but in they are in different tiers.

All info (well, almost) about tiering is in the spreadsheet. It seems that i've just mixed up SX-G lineup, there are 500/650/700W ones that are indeed made by High Power like InWin CS and there are also 600W one made by Enhance which showed some ripple problems, so 600W belongs to tier C while 500/650/700W don't. Although 500/650/700W (as well as both 700 and 750W SX-PT) has 85°C bulk cap while tier A has a requirement for 105°C one so it will be moved one tier down after it'll get split from '=>600W' in the next revision.

4 hours ago, InsertCookiesHere said:

Is this the Segotep unit in the list?

It is.

4 hours ago, Mark Kaine said:

where would the Seasonic SSR-750FA  be placed?

Tier A so far.

1 hour ago, Ankerson said:

It's a Seasonic Prime.

It's Focus platform despite what Seasonic calls it but they've pulled this on Prime lineup too already, 550\650W PRIME Gold is based on Focus platform.

1 hour ago, Gamuniter said:

Is NZXT E Series same with Seasonic Focus Plus? But NZXT E is in Tier A and Focus Plus is in Low Priority, why?

Even Seasonic's crash/shutdown issue is fixed, why this unit is low priority?

If you look closely you'll see that there are clear distinction between old Focus SKUs (Gold, Plus Gold, Plus Platinum) and new ones (GM, GX, PX). Old ones are in the low priority subtier, while new ones aren't. NZXT E while being based on older platform revision didn't show shutdown issues with AMD Vega probably because it's slightly modified (additional supervisor for multi-rail OCP).

1 hour ago, Shlouski said:

Can someone tell me how all Nox PSU's are potentially dangerous

It isn't about quality, we just don't trust them to ship the same piece of hardware to end users as they gave to reviewers as we have an info on the contrary. There are also very few recent reviews of their products.

[Shlouski]

58 minutes ago, Juular said:

It isn't about quality, we just don't trust them to ship the same piece of hardware to end users as they gave to reviewers as we have an info on the contrary.

 

Is there solid evidence of this, calling their PSU's potentially dangerous without it seems very unfair?

[Elisis]

14 minutes ago, Shlouski said:

calling their PSU's potentially dangerous without it seems very unfair?

Well, when they have a PSU that can reach over 1V of ripple, it doesn't seem very unfair to recommend against a company who may replace 'good' units with their bad units.

[Gamuniter]

1 hour ago, Juular said:

If you look closely you'll see that there are clear distinction between old Focus SKUs (Gold, Plus Gold, Plus Platinum) and new ones (GM, GX, PX). Old ones are in the low priority subtier, while new ones aren't. NZXT E while being based on older platform revision didn't show shutdown issues with AMD Vega probably because it's slightly modified (additional supervisor for multi-rail OCP).

2 hours ago, Shlouski said:

Thanks, one more question, LukeSavenije said "new Focus Plus (2019) fixed that issues" in this thread.

  

On 8/12/2019 at 8:19 PM, LukeSavenije said:

edit: the 2019 based Focus GX/GM/PX have fixed mentioned issues

 

But even this unit in low priority. Why?

[Mark Kaine]

2 hours ago, Juular said:

Tier A so far.

Thanks. Do you know if they meanwhile fixed the fancurve? 

For the version without the connect also? 

 

Because I read reviews, it seems a good unit, but with a too aggressive fancurve... and sadly I thought the connect would fit in my inwin 301 (maybe) but I just measured... it's not going to fit... sadly, so I'm going to have to get a "normal" psu... lol. 

 

 

 

 

[LukeSavenije]

4 hours ago, Shlouski said:

Can someone tell me how all Nox PSU's are potentially dangerous, I especially would like to know

There's also these two...

 

the first was sent to a reviewer, the second was the retail unit of it. The first is a decent dc-dc CWT PUQ-B, the other is a CWT GPM that can't do over 500w while being sold as an 850w. Tier e isn't only for issues that happen with the unit itself, but also when we choose to distrust a company because we can't guarantee they actually ship what they promise. And yes, a Brazilian reviewer actually hooked this thing up to a sunmoon, loaded it up and got over 1v of ripple out of it without the unit shutting down. This is the main reason we chose to completely distrust Nox, even if they might potentially have some good units

[Juular]

1 hour ago, LukeSavenije said:

the other is a CWT GPM that can't do over 500w while being sold as an 850w

Shrek makes up for other 350W.

[Juular]

4 hours ago, Shlouski said:

Is there solid evidence of this, calling their PSU's potentially dangerous without it seems very unfair?

There is, just for that one case Luke mentioned above, but as i said, since there are very few reviews of their units in general, especially recent ones, i would rather assume that they still practice stuff like that than do on contrary, since when it comes to PSUs there are no presumption of innocence. I would still recommend some of their units if you can return them after you confirm visually that it isn't what it's supposed to be (or keep it if it is) but we're playing safe here in the tier list since it's supposed to be fool-proof.